After a CJ kill N1, scum could have let you push a mislynch or two and then kill you before you got to the correct reads. You had enough scum there, but not towards the top of your remaining reads list.In post 2398, Killthestory wrote:i had enough scum pinned to win the game even if cj died. pisskop was in both of my teams and my general poe. hiraki was the only place i was fooled.In post 2396, callforjudgement wrote:Even after reading the scum PT I still don't understand the KTS kill. It's not explained there either.
The most I can make out was that scum were planning to kill KTS to stop him pushing TheBrie and then for some reason didn't change their minds even after TheBrie got lynched?
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pisskop came after teacher always. they could have killed pisskop afterwards, i guess, but at that point math reveals himself, and my deepwolves consist of bb, you and hiraki. my hiraki read was very flimsy this game, but my townreads were very consistent. i was likely never to shoot in my strong, strong reads.In post 2400, callforjudgement wrote:
After a CJ kill N1, scum could have let you push a mislynch or two and then kill you before you got to the correct reads. You had enough scum there, but not towards the top of your remaining reads list.In post 2398, Killthestory wrote:
i had enough scum pinned to win the game even if cj died. pisskop was in both of my teams and my general poe. hiraki was the only place i was fooled.In post 2396, callforjudgement wrote:Even after reading the scum PT I still don't understand the KTS kill. It's not explained there either.
The most I can make out was that scum were planning to kill KTS to stop him pushing TheBrie and then for some reason didn't change their minds even after TheBrie got lynched?- callforjudgement
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What confuses me is how people can read pisskop based on that small an amount of content.
There was actually a scummy post in his ISO, but only one; hardly enough to get a real read. I know Creature thought that pisskop was town, and then later scum because he was lurkingtoomuch, but he'd actually just siteflaked, which is always null as it's unlikely to have had anything to do with the game.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- zMuffinMan
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i didn't have a strong scumread on him but poe + a combination of posts i didn't like (i think i mentioned this in one or two posts) + i didn't like a lot of BV's postsspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- callforjudgement
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different people get different reads for different reasons, i suppose
for example, i genuinely did think that BV's first post made him very likely to be scum
this line in particular:
i think i went over this at some point (i got pretty lazy towards the end though so i stopped iso-diving)In post 1379, BlackVoid wrote:Looks like it's basically white flag at this point so one more scum lynch should be a win.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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(the point im trying to make with the above post is that i could see someone else reading pk's posts and getting a read on him they thought was solid for whatever reason even if it didn't make sense to me)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- Green Crayons
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This is a weird setup. Don’t know if I would play again. (I honestly didn’t know what I was replacing into I just wanted to play.)
I think my disinterest in the setup is that there is no active component to the town roles. I very much enjoy VT, but I like when there is some mechanic that at least some townsperson can be doing to actively assist a win. Adds a bit of layer to the otherwise pure personality/voting deduction."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Green Crayons
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Hating on infolynches will always be right."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Green Crayons
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And links to vote posts were a nice touch."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- callforjudgement
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The only reasons to infolynch are:
a) When there's a very close tie between two highly scummy players, to lynch the one that's more likely to help you solve the game if you're wrong (I would have avoided lynching MathDino today if he was closely tied with BBT or BV, as those flips would be much more useful in solving the setup)
b) When it's part of a breaking strategy, and you have a guaranteed win if the lynch target flips town.
These are both very rare situations.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- northsidegal
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Hmmm, I would play in this setup again for sure. Though in this setup specifically I would enjoy playing as scum. Sounds fun.
Yeah, I think everyone already said it but hard bussing here is a bad idea if it's not the entire team bussing, and scum team probably need or to force your way through a day 2 to victory or to kill the weakest scums at night.
I mean, I think the most fun day in this setup will always be a day 2 with a ratio of 4:7. Principally if some members of the scum team are suspected, because if they go to day 3 with a ratio of 4:5, it is almost a win, however they can't be too forceful to make the mislynch happen.
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Oooh, interesting.In post 2399, callforjudgement wrote: So I guess it's fairly like 2:11 vanilla – my previous example of a highly skewed setup – in how the game feels. The exception is D1, which is a lot of fun. I already came up with a way to effectively extract Red Flag's D1 into its own, balanced setup (which should also have the advantage of being fast to play as it's only one day). I need to go post it over in Open Setups Discussion.ShowWas once the mistress of contingency plans. Finding all the wrong answers along with the right ones since December 2016.
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@northsidegal, I'd definitely play this setup again. I think removing the scum's ability to kill themselves might swing it too hard in the town's favor. Maybe an acceptable compromise might be to only allow scum to kill themselves once? I liked the post numbers in VCs. It helped me catch up better. Good job modding overall.
@CFJ, personally I don't think the walls are unhelpful at all and regardless of alignment, I generally find walls easier to read than spammy posts - as long as they were a compilation of all your thoughts in the game which your walls definitely were. On the other hand, when people make a lot of "x is scum" posts and no reasoning behind it, it's much harder to figure out what they were thinking. Breaking walls into separate posts won't make a difference as long as the content is the same but I guess it might appeal to people who dislike reading walls.
I'm curious how you would have played it if you replaced Pisskop for instance. It seemed like the game was already POE'd and there weren't many options.In post 2350, zMuffinMan wrote:there are a lot of things i don't really understand about how scum played this setup (the D1 bussing, the N1 kill which... luckily for them led to a teacher lynch somehow instead of CJ... and a few other things)- zMuffinMan
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it's hard to say. i think on replacing in, i might have tried to have a much stronger presence (in a kind of attempt to make people forget pisskop was a lurker and focus on how nice and shiny i was) and i probably would have tried to get out of the POE pool as quickly as possible (i guess mostly by focusing on faking analysis, acting like i was trying to find scum in whatever way i could, etc)
i can't really say what specific pushes i'd have done and when, but i think if i couldn't turn my slot around, i'd at least just go for avoiding the lynch (by whatever means necessary) and copping the kill at night
i think hiraki might have made it to lylo. i'm not 100% sure why you guys thought your chances were so dire
if i hadn't unvoted BBT and his lynch had gone through, i wouldn't have looked the best. mathdino had some suspicion coming his way from other people. archwing did too. GC hadn't posted all that much the first time BBT hit L-1 so it's hard to say how things would have gone with him after that. CFJ-mathdino seemed to have mutual paranoia on some level. creature probably wasn't lynchable but he probably wasn't an immediate threat to hiraki
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This is kind of off topic but when did PK become a lurker? I noticed a few people mention it throughout the game and it struck me as odd because the last time I was on this site PK was a spam poster - easily 700+ posts per game.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.- callforjudgement
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Last time I played in a setup that pisskop wasmodding, I had to prod him repeatedly, and eventually get the listmods to prod him (they appointed a backup mod). I concluded that if pisskop was going to lurk even in that situation, where he had every incentive to post and no chance of harming a win condition by doing so, he was going to lurk regardless. That was back in September.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·townCopyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.
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