Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[yessiree]

VC 2.7

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

The Janitor (4) [L-2] -

Mathdino, Ausuka, Lalendra, Ircher

Lalendra (3) -

Eddie Cane, The Janitor, Taly

Not voting

- davesaz, Iconeum, mutantdevle, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2018-05-29 09:00:00)

[Eddie Cane]

vla I'll let you know in a few days if I'm siteflaking

[SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis]

E-eh?? Eddie-kun what OCCURRED?? (O_O ;;)

[Mathdino]

he got unfairly mislynched in open 720

eddie should essentially be conftown

anyway the lesson of 720 is that when you has scum within your grasp (Not_Mafia), you shouldn't lynch elsewhere in order to resolve a 1v1 (Alonzo/havingfitz)
because N_M was the jailkeeper the whole time and lynching him could've won the game

the difference here however is that we KNOW lalendra is effectively a vanilla mafia
so there's no risk of leaving her alive

the reason "always lynch confscum" is a good principle is because
- The flip will assist in setup spec
- It robs mafia of potential scum PRs
- It at the very least gives TPRs an extra free night to get things done

however, in this game
- We know what the flip will be
- Lalendra is useless to scum
- TPRs literally can't do anything as long as a Roleblocker is alive

[Lalendra]

Night Actions:
Iconeum copped ??? --> No result
I neighborized Taly --> Successful
Mathdino vigged Myloninja --> Successful
The Worst jailed ??? --> ???
Mafia killed The Worst --> Successful

You forgot me

[Ircher]

Oh yeah, Lalendra supposedly role-copped Iconeum.

[Ircher]

In the off chance that Lalendra isn't scum, who should we have her role-cop?

[Ircher]

Also, @Lalendra --> Did you ever get a response from the mod?

[Ausuka]

there is no off-chance that Lalendra isn't scum and we shouldn't be engaging with the possibility that she is. There has been no mention of any sort of mod error, for starters (because there wasn't one.)

in fact
VOTE: Lalendra
is scum with Iconeum (possibly Janitor too but we'll get to that) and there is no roleblocker.

[Ausuka]

Lalendra is third on the draft. How likely is it really that she went for Rolecop while her buddy who is lower down goes for RB? I know bangthemafia went for Roleblocker last time in 675 at #7, but that was only because his buddies were much lower down. This time, scum had a member on #3 in the draft, and yet they went for Rolecop, and SIMYK or Janitor went for Roleblocker at #5 or #7? Really?

Wouldn't it make more sense if Iconeum was scum at #1 and chose Mafia Roleblocker himself?

[Mathdino]

no, because then some rando at spot #14 could pick up the cop just like that, and suddenly icon gets all sorts of questions about why the fuck he didn't pick cop

icon is definitely actually the cop/redirector

now that i think about it though that's a pretty compelling reason janitor might not be the roleblocker

i still think janitor is scum and think she should get lynched tomorrow (and i think enough people are willing to do that for me?)

but i'll see lalendra's death

is there anything else that needs to be done today?

[Mathdino]

my meta on taly is no longer as solid

how confident are we on taly?

mostly talking to eddie/SIMYK here

[Ausuka]

no, because then some rando at spot #14 could pick up the cop just like that, and suddenly icon gets all sorts of questions about why the fuck he didn't pick cop

I mean it strikes me as pretty unlikely that anyone outside #1 would choose cop because they assume it's already taken 100% of the time, and even if that's not true it's possible the mafia thought it was.
Iconeum probably dies at some point anyway though so~

[Iconeum]

Why not lynch in the scumpool in order of draft?
Rb is the most valueble for scum in this setup i think.

[Mathdino]

Then why would lalendra, the top scum in the draft, go for role cop

[Iconeum]

If scum, they have both rb and rolecop. Easily switched in a team with chat.

[Mathdino]

so you're saying that lalendra is actually the roleblocker and someone else is the rolecop?

have you seen the claims...? SIMYK already claimed "VT but went for ubackup/role cop"

[Iconeum]

Then why would lalendra, the top scum in the draft, go for role cop

This. Would top scum pick role cop over rb?

[Iconeum]

And thus leave the doc open for town?

[Iconeum]

Lalendra flipping scum rolecop heavily implies ircher is scum and the rb

[Ausuka]

Ircher is confirmed neighbourizer

[Iconeum]

Right.

So why would the highest scum leave a fee doc for town?
I just dont see the value for a scum top pick being rolecop.

[Ausuka]

First round draft results:

1. Iconeum 1
   
2. the worst 3
   - Town Neighbourizer
   
3. Lalendra 5
   - Mafia Rolecop
   
4. Ircher 11- Neighbourizer (very likely town because of this IMO)
   
5. SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis 413- (Vanilla claim)
   
6. Mathdino 2- 1-shot Vigilante
   
7. The Janitor 2- (Vanilla claim)

Like. I could see SIMYK or Janitor as the roleblocker if it wasn't for Lalendra. But putting Lalendra, the highest scum, on Rolecop makes very little sense. It makes so much more sense if Lalendra is the second scum on the list, and the first scum on the list, Iconeum, already went for the most important role.

And yeah, it makes no sense for the scum to just let town have RB/Doc. They have someone who is very likely to get Roleblocker- why don't they assign her to it if Iconeum is town? I hardly imagine they could forsee this coming and laid it out for WIFOM.

[Ausuka]

First round draft results:

1. Iconeum 1
   
2. the worst 3
   - Town Jailkeeper
   
3. Lalendra 5
   - Mafia Rolecop
   
4. Ircher 11- Neighbourizer (very likely town because of this IMO)
   
5. SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis 413- (Vanilla claim)
   
6. Mathdino 2- 1-shot Vigilante
   
7. The Janitor 2- (Vanilla claim)

Like. I could see SIMYK or Janitor as the roleblocker if it wasn't for Lalendra. But putting Lalendra, the highest scum, on Rolecop makes very little sense. It makes so much more sense if Lalendra is the second scum on the list, and the first scum on the list, Iconeum, already went for the most important role.

And yeah, it makes no sense for the scum to just let town have RB/Doc. They have someone who is very likely to get Roleblocker- why don't they assign her to it if Iconeum is town? I hardly imagine they could forsee this coming and laid it out for WIFOM.

[Iconeum]

Still not though. Im cop in both allignments here. Lalendra as second scum pick would still need to deny doc, get rb for scum.