Open 725: Jungle Republic - Day 5

[ArcAngel9]

Espeonage,

Vanilla Townie

, Lynched on Day 1

Night 1 beings now. It ends in (expired on 2018-05-28 15:40:00)

Please submit all your night actions directly to me

[ArcAngel9]

pinturicchio

,

Mafia Goon

, Killed on Night 1

Day 2 begins now

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE COUNT - 2.0

ManWithNoName

-

skitter30

-

Sando

-

the worst

-

ceejayvinoya

-

Ruby Red

-

UglyDuck

-

Not_Mafia

-

AP

-

Fumuki

-

Not Voting

ManWithNoName, skitter30, Sando, the worst, ceejayvinoya, Ruby Red, UglyDuck, Not_Mafia, AP, Fumuki

With 10 alive it takes 6 for a lynch and 5 for no lynch.
Day 2 ends in (expired on 2018-06-12 07:40:00)

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[the worst]

o/

nice work wolves, accept this awoo in your honour

[the worst]

Sooooo, UglyDuck for pintu's partner?
VOTE: UglyDuck

discuss c:

[the worst]

VOTE COUNT - 1.16

ManWithNoName

-

skitter30

- Ruby Red, , the worst, ,

Espeonage

- AP, UglyDuck, Sando, Fumuki, ceejayvinoya, Not_Mafia, ManWithNoName (lynched)

Sando

-

the worst

- Espeonage

ceejayvinoya

- , pinturicchio, skitter30

Ruby Red

-

UglyDuck

-

pinturicchio

-

Not_Mafia

-

AP

-

Fumuki

-

Not Voting

With 12 alive it takes 7 for a lynch and 6 for no lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-05-27 19:17:00)

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Eeehhh
I flatly refuse to believe we had 0 scumfucks on this wagon.

who wants to put some bets on there being two? ^^

[the worst]

Ok but like you are a good lynch target.

I feel like furnukis fallout of my wagon is good though. I hate when I call for ate but here we are.

I want UD as highest scumread. But you are up there worst.

Espe had a bad vibe about UD as well
Pintu immediately townread him for a low key kinda dubious reason (tonally different to a singleball game)

[the worst]

Right if I had to call mafia right now it'd be {

pinturicchio

, skitter30, uglyducky}

wondering if I'm still tunnelled??





Ah well
Probably worth looking into

[pinturicchio]

Lucky shot

Bah!

[the worst]

still luffles u pintu

[Sando]

I flatly refuse to believe we had 0 scumfucks on this wagon.

There's 5 scumfucks and 4 unconfirmed off the lynch, by definition there was at least one on there.

Was Pintu the only "UD is only this disinterested as town" person yesterday? It was a really non-informative town-meta read from Pintu coming through, can't find anyone else who was dead-set against UD though.

Yeah still think you're scummer-duck, but then I don't tunnel early game (anymore).

[the worst]

don't worry Sando I'm town.
I think it was actually his transparency and different approach which made people townread him?

[the worst]

Pintu's read was defs too early and too awkward though.

[ManWithNoName]

So, my reads were bad Day 1, I'll recalibrate a bit before I vote.

Shame we didn't find a Werewolf yesterday, though.

[ManWithNoName]

Wait. I just remembered, early on I only was TRing UD because Pintu was town in my book, which was wrong on the Pintu part.

VOTE: UglyDuck

[the worst]

Where are your other reads atm?

[ManWithNoName]

Where are your other reads atm?

All need to be reevaluated.

AP still probably town unless I see I was TRing him for the same reasons I was pintu.

CeeJay is still not great from memory. I like Fumuki less for sure because I was already unsure about that read EoD, but now saw two of my reads were wrong.

Skitter still does not look good either.

I'm feeling more wary about you, as well.

N_M is still a huge Question Mark for me because I have no clue how to read him.

Sando is probably town because of his whole "Don't kill town as WW" makes no sense as mafia, and less sense as WW.

I don't remember who else is in the game.

[skitter30]

Eeehhh
I flatly refuse to believe we had 0 scumfucks on this wagon.

who wants to put some bets on there being two? ^^

Theres only seven townies in the game total, and esp flipped town, and there were 7 people in his wagon. That means at most 6 of them can be town; there must be scum on the wagon.

From the PoV of town off the wagon, there must be at least two scum on there.

I don't think that ceejay is ever partners with pin given that last vc and how that was pin's preferred lynch yesterday. He might be a wolf but I'm pretty sure he never flips scum here.

I think I want to do this VOTE: AP . I dislike the way he interacted with the wagon. Or, more accurately, I dislike the way he *didn't* interact with the wagon.

He voted because mwnn asked him too, and literally never mentioned a scumread on him before that. He actually only mentions him like eight times this game before he votes him at all (in the context of previous games and his joke readslist of post like 11).

Two hundred posts later, he asks this:

Why exactly are we probing every other player to see if we can save Espeo?? I mean, the way the wagon froze and started to dissipate makes me feel Espeo is Mafia (they have more influence through numbers over WWs).

I don't see why he's against the notion of people 'saving esp' given that he never expresses a scumread on him, visibly tried to sort him, or even interacted with him once.

He's talking like he's decided that the esp wagon is best and that its scummy that people aren't voting him, but there's no justification for this stance in his ISO anywhere.

He doesn't even in weigh in on fumuki pushing a wagon that he's on. Like he doesn't back him up or support him or interact with fumuki's esp push at all.

And then like when esp' at l-1 he chimes in with some bad pre-flips pre-supposing that esp is scum and looking for partners.

I don't think he actually felt any sort of real conviction abt the esp wagon. The way he interacted with it is not the way someone interacts with a wagon on someone they're scumreading.

[skitter30]

I think fumuki is probably town despite the esp thing. The esp thing was still asinine though.

[ceejayvinoya]

Darn this game is getting weird.

VOTE: UglyDuck

I think this is best for now. However I think that if this flips scum, it will only flip mafia tho. What does everyone think of a wolf hunt?

[AP]

He actually only mentions him like eight times this game before he votes him at all

My vote was on my 59th post. How many times do you think I should mention one player of 12 in 59 posts??

I was already leaning scum on you and you can go back and see why (Hint: You feel too disengaged for my liking, which is not like you at all). Your #1242 though almost confirms my suspicions. I'm willing to bet on you flipping WW/Mafia (WW argument: you were the only other person voting

with

Pintu. Mafia argument: you didn't even factor in the NK -which is again not what I would expect from you).

But before I jump on you I want you to explain whether you think I'm a WW or a Mafioso (Hint: I'm neither, but feel free to present an argument for me being either). Then I will reevaluate my read on you.

[AP]

I will also wait for Fumuki to weigh in before I vote. I currently only trust him, MWNN & Sando (Sorry, Duck. I TR you, but I'm not sure I can trust your reads).

[skitter30]

OK, if you really want me to go one by one through the times you mentioned him, obtained by ctrl+f in your iso for 'esp' and ignoring the hits for the word 'respond' or 'especially':

Spoiler:

Reads so far:

ManWithNoName -Town
skitter30 -Mafia
Espeonage -Town
Sando -Werewolf
the worst -Town
ceejayvinoya -Mafia
TheYankeeReaper -Town
UglyDuck -Werewolf
pinturicchio -Town
Not_Mafia -Mafia
Draynth -Town

Important:

If I got your alignment right; please confirm in the thread.

You slightly change this readslist like two posts later.

Current lynch pool: Espeonage/UglyDuck/pinturicchio/Draynth

Reason: LAL (Lynch all LURKERS)

It's been more than 2 hours (two and a half even) and they still haven't posted. (One thing I've learnt from Dr Evil is..

vote: the worst

That feels like a real slip btw.

What does?

He shows up a couple of times in a readslist containing him that someone *else* posted but you don't talk about the esp read.

Oh yeah he always replaces out. That's just his thing. Who was the scumteam that involved bussing in the last jungle republic?

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Espeonage bussed the shit out of A50

That's literally every hit in your ISO before you voted him.

AP, you should join the Espeonage wagon, 2/3 of it is town. Let's make it a straight 75%

VOTE: Espeonage

Still not caught up though, and my internet (or my PC) is shitty.

Sando, Furnuki, the worst, UD and someone are all the bad people.

cj and skitter are not that last slot.

THAT AVATAR!

I was like.. why is tw calling himself scum? Is it sarcasm? And then I realized it wasn't tw's post!

Why exactly are we probing every other player to see if we can save Espeo?? I mean, the way the wagon froze and started to dissipate makes me feel Espeo is Mafia (they have more influence through numbers over WWs).

And then the end-of-day post too.

I don't have a set number of times I expect someone to mention someone else, but I do expect that you perform some sort of cursory analysis on the person you're voting for, if not before you vote them, than at least after. (and not like two hundred posts later to justify your vote that has no standing).

And to literally not interact with the wagon in any of it's incarnations despite being on it, and to have made literally no attempt to sort him, is sketchy as fuck.

Also you're defending against the point 'I'm complaining that you didn't mention him a lot before you voted him'. My actual argument is that 'I think you should have talked about him in some sort of analytic fashion and/or demonstrated that you had tried to sort him if you were going to sit on his wagon for much of the day'.

Like you're defending against the *quantity* of the number of times you mentioned him. My argument is actually about the quantity *and* quality of the times you talked about him.

(Hint: You feel too disengaged for my liking, which is not like you at all).

college + graduation + this nasty project I'm working on that's eating much of my spare time + sleeping occasionally. I've said this already. It has literally nothing to do with my alignment.

our #1242 though almost confirms my suspicions.

why? what's scum-indcative of 1242? You're just throwing shade by saying that it indicates I'm scummy but you've failed to explain why or how.

But before I jump on you I want you to explain whether you think I'm a WW or a Mafioso (Hint: I'm neither, but feel free to present an argument for me being either). Then I will reevaluate my read on you.

a) you settled for saying that I'm either/or so idk why you want me to have to choose between you being a wolf/mafioso

b) honestly have no idea. I don't think you have signifcant associatives with pin beyond you saying 'I'm townreading you but dislike some of your votes'. I can see you saying that as both a partner and not a parter. I haven't seen much else in your behavior that is more indicative of one or the other, beyond that I think you're being generally scummy.

c) you played with me in the last iteration of jungle republic and me saying I thought you/thor were partners contributed to the loss for town. I was right on each of you individually, but I was wrong on the partner bit. After you flipped people were percieving thor as scum because of me going on and on and on about it and esp was deliberately playing up that angle and that's what led to the town lynch day4 which ultimately won scum the game.

Given that context, why would I ever want to do the same thing here? Like I see no purpose in trying to specifically read you as one or the other cuz doing so fucked over the gamestate last time. You know this and your faction *took advantage of me doing this to win* last time so I have no idea why you're pressing me to come to some sort of conclusion here.

[AP]

a) you settled for saying that I'm either/or so idk why you want me to have to choose between you being a wolf/mafioso

I've also stated argument for both, so you can do the same if you want to.

I am trying to see where you're coming from with your push on me to see if you might actually be this mislead as town. The thing is this isn't the first time you play me and you know I play in different styles, so I'm not convinced your reasoning for scum reading me is "he doesn't talk much about the guy he is voting".

Yes, I did vote him because MWNN asked e to, and I had no strong read on Esp at that time (but I also had expressed that his lurking didn't bode well with me, and I know Esp is usually more active than this). Then I did confirm why I was pivoted on the wagon when it stalled. You don't usually have 3-4 other counter wagons proposed (one after one) when the main wagon is on a town player, and especially so when that Town player hasn't been active enough nor has done much to show his towniness.

[AP]

Given that context, why would I ever want to do the same thing here?

OK. I'll accept that with a twist of lemon and a grain of salt (do you have any pickles?)