Open 730: Donner Party [Terminado]

[ejjinami]

or sth like that :/

[Sando]

Hypoclaiming is quite useless, because the cop really should claim if he's put on stand.

Wat? These two are completely separate functions. The cop (and any other PR) should claim if they're about to get lynched as per normal. Hypoclaiming is to allow you to give results as a PR without giving away your PR status.

[shizune]

Hello.

What's hypoclaiming?

[AP]

Hypoclaiming is to allow you to give results as a PR without giving away your PR status

Except if you clear any of the 3 anti-town players you are telling one or two of them you're not the Cop.

But there's this little thing I want to note right now: There is NO COP! It's a GUNSMITH. This means our investigative can return up to 4 guilties, but one of them is fake (the Vig will return a positive result as well as the Mafia/SK).

I also saw someone mentioning a Roleblocker, and I really hope that was a typo. Otherwise I'd assume someone's playing the game without knowing the setup or mechanics, which would really suck.

[AP]

Hello.

What's hypoclaiming?

Something we're NOT doing on the opening 2 days.

[Sando]

Hypoclaiming is to allow you to give results as a PR without giving away your PR status

Except if you clear any of the 3 anti-town players you are telling one or two of them you're not the Cop.

But there's this little thing I want to note right now: There is NO COP! It's a GUNSMITH. This means our investigative can return up to 4 guilties, but one of them is fake (the Vig will return a positive result as well as the Mafia/SK).

Good point on the "cop" vs "gunsmith". Yes I'm aware of the dangers of hypo'ing, they're the same every game it's discussed. I'd also push for the hypo to be around the vig depending on kills, since non-town can't be sure the person wasn't RBd even if they say they vig'd them.

I also saw someone mentioning a Roleblocker, and I really hope that was a typo. Otherwise I'd assume someone's playing the game without knowing the setup or mechanics, which would really suck.

Me, why are you hoping it's a typo? Are you hoping it's a typo in the opening post of rolecards as well?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I suddenly feel smart. wow


and yeah. :/ crumbing is a bit more valuable here cuz even with a closed setup we won't really know how many of the PRs are still alive. It could help with the claims, but I'd leave it to the individual choice tbh.
Let's be frank, no one is gonna waste time reading through a killed dude's ISO just to look for "possible crumbs". And with the person dead it's all WIFOM anyways. Crumbing is most useful to those who are still alive and want others to believe their claim.

And if the crumb is big enough for others to notice it without you explaining it, it's a failure cuz it'll only get you killed.

I'd say it should be a personal decision. People who are generally townread or are confident in not getting lynched shouldn't crumb imo.

I half agree with you on that. Leave small crumbs, not ones that can out you alive. It's not hard and might pay off later. It can't hurt ^^

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hypoclaiming is quite useless, because the cop really should claim if he's put on stand.

Wat? These two are completely separate functions. The cop (and any other PR) should claim if they're about to get lynched as per normal. Hypoclaiming is to allow you to give results as a PR without giving away your PR status.

...but WE WONT KNOW if the guy is telling truth before a long while. Crumbs > hypoclaims. We don't want a day wasted on talking about hypoclaims lol. @Shizune, hypoclaiming is saying that if you are XXX role, you did XXX last night.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hypoclaiming is to allow you to give results as a PR without giving away your PR status

Except if you clear any of the 3 anti-town players you are telling one or two of them you're not the Cop.

But there's this little thing I want to note right now: There is NO COP! It's a GUNSMITH. This means our investigative can return up to 4 guilties, but one of them is fake (the Vig will return a positive result as well as the Mafia/SK).

I also saw someone mentioning a Roleblocker, and I really hope that was a typo. Otherwise I'd assume someone's playing the game without knowing the setup or mechanics, which would really suck.

Wow. ++++++scumpoints for trying to confuse people, seriously... like, it's not funny enough to be a shitpost, and it's false. VOTE: ap

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hypoclaiming is to allow you to give results as a PR without giving away your PR status

Except if you clear any of the 3 anti-town players you are telling one or two of them you're not the Cop.

But there's this little thing I want to note right now: There is NO COP! It's a GUNSMITH. This means our investigative can return up to 4 guilties, but one of them is fake (the Vig will return a positive result as well as the Mafia/SK).

Good point on the "cop" vs "gunsmith". Yes I'm aware of the dangers of hypo'ing, they're the same every game it's discussed. I'd also push for the hypo to be around the vig depending on kills, since non-town can't be sure the person wasn't RBd even if they say they vig'd them.

I also saw someone mentioning a Roleblocker, and I really hope that was a typo. Otherwise I'd assume someone's playing the game without knowing the setup or mechanics, which would really suck.

Me, why are you hoping it's a typo? Are you hoping it's a typo in the opening post of rolecards as well?

Where's the gunsmith part, pray tell??

Yep

[Sando]

Hypoclaiming is quite useless, because the cop really should claim if he's put on stand.

Wat? These two are completely separate functions. The cop (and any other PR) should claim if they're about to get lynched as per normal. Hypoclaiming is to allow you to give results as a PR without giving away your PR status.

...but WE WONT KNOW if the guy is telling truth before a long while. Crumbs > hypoclaims. We don't want a day wasted on talking about hypoclaims lol. @Shizune, hypoclaiming is saying that if you are XXX role, you did XXX last night.

My point is that regardless of whether we decide on crumbs vs hypo, PRs should claim if they're about to get lynched. They're independent and the fact that they should claim pre-lynch does not change the hypo vs crumb discussion at all.

Where's the gunsmith part, pray tell??

Yep

Dietitian will return a "guilty" on: Mafia, SK, Vig
A traditional gunsmith will return a "guilty" on: Mafia, SK, Vig
A tradition cop will return a "guilty" on: Mafia, SK.

Hence "gunsmith" is a better descriptor than "cop".

[LuckyOtter]

VOTE: ceejayvinoya like I should have last time.

Pedit: Damn you manatee

are you from the game where cee was super townie and explained his reads? Was he scum?

He was scum and I ended up listening to people instead of my gut.

Gut says AP is a good wagon.

VOTE: AP

[LuckyOtter]

Let's be frank, no one is gonna waste time reading through a killed dude's ISO just to look for "possible crumbs". And with the person dead it's all WIFOM anyways. Crumbing is most useful to those who are still alive and want others to believe their claim.

Mmmm I dunno, honestly you're probably right D2, but D3 I think I'd be more likely to go crumbhunting. I'm thinking crumbing is better than hypoing in this scenario but I have no experience with hypoing so take that with a grain of salt. I just feel like hypoing might lead to more WIFOM than necessary

[ejjinami]

Rn Lucky is town, MM is town, manat is town.

MM and AP are most prob not in a team together.

Sando pings me as scum cuz for some time he’s been focusing on theory posts without actually trying to progress the game.

And I don’t like either of Black’s posts tbh. I’m not even sure what pings me about them, but they give me a weird feeling.

VOTE: Sando

[ejjinami]

Votecount 1.1

Not_Mafia(2)

~ Sando

(4)

, ceejayvinoya

(2)

Marshmallow Marshall(2)

~ BlackStar

(2)

, Mathdino

(1)

UnrealSeal(1)

~ Marshmallow Marshall

(5)

ManateeDude(1)

~ UnrealSeal

(1)

ejjinami(1)

~ ManateeDude

(7)

ceejayvinoya(1)

~ LuckyOtter

(1)

AP(1)

~ AP

(2)

Not Voting (3): ejjinami

(0)

, Not_Mafia

(3)

, shizune

(0)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-10 19:45:00)

And btw, what do the numbers in the brackets mean? (the purple colored ones)

[Korina]

Votecount 1.2

AP(3)

~ AP(4), Marshmallow Marshall(14), LuckyOtter(3)

Not_Mafia(2)

~ Sando(8), ceejayvinoya(2)

Marshmallow Marshall(2)

~ BlackStar(2), Mathdino(1)

Sando(1)

~ ejjinami(8)

ManateeDude(1)

~ UnrealSeal(2)

ejjinami(1)

~ ManateeDude(9)


Not Voting (2): Not_Mafia(3), shizune(1)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-10 19:45:00)

MOD REMINDERS

@ejjinami The purple numbers are the number of posts you've made.

[AP]

MM and AP are most prob not in a team together.

@MM: It WORKED! You're a GENIUS!

[AP]

I also saw someone mentioning a Roleblocker, and I really hope that was a typo. Otherwise I'd assume

someone

's playing the game without knowing the setup or mechanics, which would really suck.

Me, why are you hoping it's a typo? Are you hoping it's a typo in the opening post of rolecards as well?

Hello! My name is Austin Powers and I'm

someone

who.. yadda yadda yadda

[BlackStar]

Rn Lucky is town, MM is town, manat is town.

MM and AP are most prob not in a team together.

Sando pings me as scum cuz for some time he’s been focusing on theory posts without actually trying to progress the game.

And I don’t like either of Black’s posts tbh. I’m not even sure what pings me about them, but they give me a weird feeling.

VOTE: Sando

Its my avatar. It has that effect on people

[BlackStar]

My vote on MM is serious now

[ejjinami]

I also saw someone mentioning a Roleblocker, and I really hope that was a typo. Otherwise I'd assume

someone

's playing the game without knowing the setup or mechanics, which would really suck.

Me, why are you hoping it's a typo? Are you hoping it's a typo in the opening post of rolecards as well?

Hello! My name is Austin Powers and I'm

someone

who.. yadda yadda yadda :oops: :oops: :facepalm:

Can you elaborate on 53? Tbh I didn't get it either.

My vote on MM is serious now

Why do you think MM is scum? And how do you feel about joining my sando wagon?

[BlackStar]

He's misrepping AP and trying to dissuade us from hypo claiming. Seems pretty anti town to me

[BlackStar]

I'm not convinced in your argument against Sando. If you had something stronger, I'd consider it

[ejjinami]

He's misrepping AP and trying to dissuade us from hypo claiming. Seems pretty anti town to me

I was the first one to say hypoclaiming is bad, do you have any thoughts about that? and what do you think about hypoclaiming?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hypoclaiming is quite useless, because the cop really should claim if he's put on stand.

Wat? These two are completely separate functions. The cop (and any other PR) should claim if they're about to get lynched as per normal. Hypoclaiming is to allow you to give results as a PR without giving away your PR status.

...but WE WONT KNOW if the guy is telling truth before a long while. Crumbs > hypoclaims. We don't want a day wasted on talking about hypoclaims lol. @Shizune, hypoclaiming is saying that if you are XXX role, you did XXX last night.

My point is that regardless of whether we decide on crumbs vs hypo, PRs should claim if they're about to get lynched. They're independent and the fact that they should claim pre-lynch does not change the hypo vs crumb discussion at all.

Where's the gunsmith part, pray tell??

Yep

Dietitian will return a "guilty" on: Mafia, SK, Vig
A traditional gunsmith will return a "guilty" on: Mafia, SK, Vig
A tradition cop will return a "guilty" on: Mafia, SK.

Hence "gunsmith" is a better descriptor than "cop".

OH. Blame my main site, on there Gunsmith = someone who visits people to give them a 1-use gun. Never heard of that version.