Open 726 - Revenge of the Vengeful (Endgame)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yes, Trinity needs to confirm sticking to the plan. I dunno how to deal with it after the flip though. It needs to be dealt with now because upon the flip she is supposed to take someone with her already.

TBH I don’t understand this ‘plan’ and I haven’t seen much support for it. What does everyone else think?

What don't you understand? I'm offering myself as your vengekill target. If we both flip town the rest of players are forced to reevaluate their reads. If one of us flips scum they can carry on accordingly. I obviously know my own alignment, but it seems like I'm failing to show it, so it would be good for the town to remove me (and the same applies to you regardless of your alignment).

Tbh, your plan is a 100% good for town and doesn't profit to scum if you're one... You are 99% confirmed town in my eyes now. Flipflop Inc.

[TrinityNZ]

Yes, Trinity needs to confirm sticking to the plan. I dunno how to deal with it after the flip though. It needs to be dealt with now because upon the flip she is supposed to take someone with her already.

TBH I don’t understand this ‘plan’ and I haven’t seen much support for it. What does everyone else think?

What don't you understand? I'm offering myself as your vengekill target. If we both flip town the rest of players are forced to reevaluate their reads. If one of us flips scum they can carry on accordingly. I obviously know my own alignment, but it seems like I'm failing to show it, so it would be good for the town to remove me (and the same applies to you regardless of your alignment).

Ok thanks. I’d like to see what others think too, I find it hard to believe that deliberately getting rid of two town is a good idea but I’m less experienced at strategy so if everyone agrees I will do it.

[TrinityNZ]

Yes, Trinity needs to confirm sticking to the plan. I dunno how to deal with it after the flip though. It needs to be dealt with now because upon the flip she is supposed to take someone with her already.

TBH I don’t understand this ‘plan’ and I haven’t seen much support for it. What does everyone else think?

Scummmmyyyyyyy VOTE: TrinityNZ sounds like a scum trying to see if he has a chance to escape from that plan.

No, not all! I just want to make sure I understand and that others agree.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't want to Lynch Trinity

I'll vote basically anyone else

[Enigma]

I don't want to Lynch Trinity

I'll vote basically anyone else

why?

[RadiantCowbells]

She gutreads town to me

[RadiantCowbells]

And I don't have a whole lot of people I'm actually townreading in this lobby

[Enigma]

because you want to kill the 4 scummiest people before day 3
and lynching 4th scummiest lets you have the highest odds of a townflip while still fulfilling that objective

Ok, could you refresh me on the 4 scummiest from your eye? Who needs to be lynched/vengekilled by end of D2.

[Enigma]

I dunno! I'd be gone anyway. Just do a global readlist I guess and repeat the process maybe?

I suppose the question here is: let's say Trinity doesn't vengekill you, who would you FOS D2?

[Almost50]

I dunno! I'd be gone anyway. Just do a global readlist I guess and repeat the process maybe?

I suppose the question here is: let's say Trinity doesn't vengekill you, who would you FOS D2?

Assuming Trinity flips red? I mean, you started off with a red flip assumption and now you assume she won't be venging me, so it goes w/o saying that you're assuming a red flip from her, but I wanted to make sure that's the case we're hypo inspecting.

Now let's see.. I'm TRing you, MM, RC and N_M to various extents, which leaves me with Ice, Rei & Oath as suspects. That would be a 2/3 chance of hitting a second scumster there by mere randomness (assuming I have perfect reads, which -of course- is very much debatable).

Now EVEN if we mislynch there then it becomes a 100% the venge is gonna hit scum (again, assuming that my reads are perfect).

However, all that doesn't really worry me. What worries me more is the chance Trinity flips GREEN and then venges someone who is not me. In that case I should be tomorrow's lynch myself, and then the whole game outcome might depend on

my

venge target (and I might add that I'm more prone to lose in LyLo as town). That is why part of why I wanted Trinity to take me out anyway, and especially so if she is Town.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Rei

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I don't want to Lynch Trinity

I'll vote basically anyone else

She gutreads town to me

And I don't have a whole lot of people I'm actually townreading in this lobby

Did you read A50's plan? It literally has 0 downsides.

[RadiantCowbells]

except for the fact that trinity is one of two people who is in contention to bring to endgame and I don't want to lynch them

[Enigma]

Actually, I've also been feeling less in favour of a Trinity vote following her last few posts. I feel she responded well to the pressure, and demonstrated some town traits to keep around for a bit longer.
To be honest, feeling more of an Oath or Rei lynch today - where ideally they both kill each other. Get rid of lurkers and don't have to deal with them (and their perhaps reluctance to cooperate if town) in D2.

UNVOTE:

[RadiantCowbells]

venge is on one of NM/MM if we flip town

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Actually, I've also been feeling less in favour of a Trinity vote following her last few posts. I feel she responded well to the pressure, and demonstrated some town traits to keep around for a bit longer.
To be honest, feeling more of an Oath or Rei lynch today - where ideally they both kill each other. Get rid of lurkers and don't have to deal with them (and their perhaps reluctance to cooperate if town) in D2.

UNVOTE:

I believe there's something to do with Rei. Not Oath. If we are going for that, Oath shall fall (and if town, vengekill Rei).

[Oath]

Nah my venge kill is most definitely on Marshmallow. Granted, I still haven't done my re-read. But my gut hates that guy.

[Rei]

sorry i've been a bit busy the past days
I'll backtrack and post what i think so far sometime today

[RadiantCowbells]

you loved my father, I know, but so did I.

That makes us brothers, doesn't it.

Smile for me now brother.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Nah my venge kill is most definitely on Marshmallow. Granted, I still haven't done my re-read. But my gut hates that guy.

VOTE: Trinity stick to this plan then. Sorry but I don't like dying

[RadiantCowbells]

so you think that someone is scum, but they threaten to vengekill you

now they're scum so they'd be making whatever the highest equity play is anyway

but you don't want to lynch them because they're going to venge you, IF they're town?

[Enigma]

This game is a disaster, we need D2 already.

[IcemanCh]

Nah my venge kill is most definitely on Marshmallow. Granted, I still haven't done my re-read. But my gut hates that guy.

VOTE: Trinity stick to this plan then. Sorry but I don't like dying

Hey guys. Been super busy at work. Posting when I can. I've been keeping up on reading and I find this to be..... a bad post.

I agree with A50s plan. I'm not sure that I see much downside to it. I'm not sure how things stack up now though and want to just make sure we're on the right path. I suspect Trinity but, I think I'm starting to suspect MM more. Worst thing we could do is lose two townies.

UNVOTE:


I'll replace my vote later today after I've looked at a few things.

[Ankamius]

Veni

[Ankamius]

Vidi