Open 731: Twin Trap (Game Over)

[Wh4t]

If Tor and Pose are both town and I'm hard townreading Eragon and Egg, neutral on A50 then my top scumspects are BuJaber, Burger and Fromage. Since Fromage and Burger are unlikely scum partners due to Burger scumreading Fromage, that leaves BuJaber and Burger.

If one flips scum the other is very likely scum too imo.

[Wh4t]

Fromage don't claim but please give reads on everyone so far.

[Eragon]

It’s weird

I’m not sure if this triple vote is indicative that scum is on the wagon or that we as town finally figured shit out?

[GameNBurger]

I'd hammer that

And yes I've had no time to do an in depth pairing

Please claim Fromage

You've had the whole game day to catch up

[Wh4t]

Voting and pushing people is my way of figuring things out lol. I think we might have a solid townblock if we've read Tor and Pose right.

[Eragon]

agreed.

i also have liked Buj most of the game, but havent read recently

[LastManStanding]

Votecount 1.11

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Wh4t

(1): GameNBurger

Toranaga

(2): BuJaber, Almost50

GameNBurger

(1): Fromage

Fromage

(4): Toranaga, Eragon, Wh4t, Poseidon (L-1)

Not Voting

(1): Egg

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-08-14 08:00:00)

[Fromage]

Fuck. I'm a TPR. If we do what A50 proposed, namely not lynching claimed PRs and not counterclaiming them, I think it's best not to fullclaim.

[Fromage]

The wagon happened really quickly. Let me look at it.

[Wh4t]

VOTE: GameNBurger

[Fromage]

Okay, Tor's vote is opportunistic but I get that he doesn't want to get lynched.

I understand Wh4t's unhappiness about my lurking. He's right. I should be caught up.

Eragon and Poseidon definitely seem the most scummy on my wagon.

[Wh4t]

You shouldn't have claimed tbh. If Burger lynched you before anyone else had a say he would've outted himself as scum. Thinking back it's weird that noone asked Pose to claim yet Tor, myself and you were asked.

[Fromage]

You're probably right. But if I had refused to claim and Burger had hammered me, Burger wouldn't be confscum.

[Wh4t]

True, but if you were caught up you would know that we have put people to L-1, discussed and then moved on. There is no need to refuse either. Fromage thoughts on BuJaber and Burger? Also, could you expand on why you find Eragon and Pose scummy? It is likely your last night, so it would be nice to hear your thoughts and maybe a ranking of your reads.

[BuJaber]

Good job losers. You just got played by scum.

God damn I wanna lynch all 4 of you.

VOTE: eragon

[BuJaber]

Eragon wants everyone dead. If he's town it's his fucking fault.
He's on a wagon pogo-stick. Hopping like mad.

[BuJaber]

@Tor - that game was different. Yes I was having a lot of trouble townreading you. But I was convinced ONE of you/lavos was scum and I was right. Also I never actually voted you for long there. Here it's different. I want your slot specifically lynched.

Though after the fromage wagon eragon has surpassed anyone's scumminess. I'll revisit your slot after eragon flips.

[BuJaber]

BTW if A50 stays alive he is 100% scum. Posts are pinging me and in this game I think we can apply the Mathdino scum test on A50.
Not after 1 night.. that's inconclusive. Maybe day 3.

Like why did he need my prodding to actually vote for tor and keep pushing for what he believes to be the correct play?

[GameNBurger]

You're probably right. But if I had refused to claim and Burger had hammered me, Burger wouldn't be confscum.

God damnit fromage

Lurking is the most obvious TPR strategy so you would have guaranteed been the first kill

[GameNBurger]

Wait hold up

Why wouldn’t you full claim

If you’re TPR and get outer likr you did, scum will come after you in the night anyways
If someone counterclaims, what happens? We get a confirmed scum between the two of you, so even if we mislynch on a coin flip we get 1 guranteddnscum lynch the next day

There’s literally no benefit and I’m gonna choose to beleive you’re not an idiot

BUT! With a generic reasoning to not full claim, scum could claim a PR without drawing out an immediate counterclaim (as neither town or would have enough info to know if you’re bluffing or not

So please full claim if you’re town

Because otherwise you’re scum trying to ride out an easy half claim to waver quickminded reactioaries and then when you miraculously survive the night you’ll claim it’s an eleaborate attempt from scum to pull off some great WIFOM or something

So do us a favor, full claim please because at this point you’re being taken out tonight no matter what

[Wh4t]

Though after the fromage wagon eragon has surpassed anyone's scumminess.

Why?

[GameNBurger]

INB4 fromage tries to explain why it’s “good” to not full claim

Potentially there the scenario where you really are town and are hoping the other detective can catch the scum making your kill but that’s 1/14 chance of that happening and those odds are slim AND they’re one shot, once scum shoot you they now know which guy to send to kill after that one night

And I really can’t fathom any other reason why you’d think thats a good idea

[Wh4t]

I think there's enough info now to finish the game based on these amazing EOD wagons. I don't care who we lynch anymore but I'm 100% sure Tor is not scum based on many games playing together. I believe fromage 100% so never lynch him if scum leave him. I suspected he was a PR earlier when I said it would be safer to leave him but the random appearances became strange and I wanted decent content without a claim. I would bet the game on Egg being town too.

No matter what happens now I think town should have the game in the bag once flips and NKs happen. So glgl.

I think flipping burger is the optimal move rn so I'll stay here.

[Wh4t]

If Burger flips red go BuJaber. If he flips green go Eragon/Pose.
If you lynch Eragon and he flips red go Pose > A50. If he flips green go Burger > BuJaber.

[Poseidon]

Okay, Tor's vote is opportunistic but I get that he doesn't want to get lynched.

I understand Wh4t's unhappiness about my lurking. He's right. I should be caught up.

Eragon and Poseidon definitely seem the most scummy on my wagon.

First off, if you look up 584 you'll note she's not the only one wanting you to catch up. And I'd

really

love to know where you get SR's from Eragon and myself.

I think there's enough info now to finish the game based on these amazing EOD wagons. I don't care who we lynch anymore but I'm 100% sure Tor is not scum based on many games playing together. I believe fromage 100% so never lynch him if scum leave him. I suspected he was a PR earlier when I said it would be safer to leave him but the random appearances became strange and I wanted decent content without a claim. I would bet the game on Egg being town too.

No matter what happens now I think town should have the game in the bag once flips and NKs happen. So glgl.

I think flipping burger is the optimal move rn so I'll stay here.

So what makes you believe fromage 100%? Is is the lack of substance behind his statements? His blanket claim of PR? You "suspected" he was PR because of lurking, but claimed I was scumlurking? What is the deal here???