Open 731: Twin Trap (Game Over)

[Toranaga]

wh4t are you still around?

[Wh4t]

Yeah.

[Toranaga]

Yeah.

are you upset with me or something? you've become very nonchalant all of a sudden

[Wh4t]

Yeah.

are you upset with me or something? you've become very nonchalant all of a sudden

No, I'm hungover and disappointed that I misread your slot.

Why do you townread GNB he seems slimy?

[Toranaga]

Yeah.

are you upset with me or something? you've become very nonchalant all of a sudden

No, I'm hungover and disappointed that I misread your slot.

Why do you townread GNB he seems slimy?

I was initially townreading him for engaging in metadiving and trying to come up with full wolfteam combinations as hard as he was as early as he was

I liked how he evaluated my slot and his push/interactions with you. him coming back to the "scumslip" post and get you to respond if you still stood by it before voting you reads as a real evaluation. maybe you can't see it from where you stand because it's pushing you on things you believe in, but it resonates strongly and makes a lot of sense to me.

why is he being slimy IYO apart from pushing you?

[Toranaga]

I'm strong townreading wh4t's last post

[Wh4t]

Yeah.

are you upset with me or something? you've become very nonchalant all of a sudden

No, I'm hungover and disappointed that I misread your slot.

Why do you townread GNB he seems slimy?

I was initially townreading him for engaging in metadiving and trying to come up with full wolfteam combinations as hard as he was as early as he was

I liked how he evaluated my slot and his push/interactions with you. him coming back to the "scumslip" post and get you to respond if you still stood by it before voting you reads as a real evaluation. maybe you can't see it from where you stand because it's pushing you on things you believe in, but it resonates strongly and makes a lot of sense to me.

why is he being slimy IYO apart from pushing you?

I just get a weird feeling that he's manipulating people and knows people's alignments. Ill look into him properly later. You know it's easier for me to read people who push me. I thought he was town until he said he was surprised you weren't hammered yet, and his failed attempt to hammer you.

[Toranaga]

I just get a weird feeling that he's manipulating people and knows people's alignments.

Ill look into him properly later. You know it's easier for me to read people who push me. I thought he was town until he said he was surprised you weren't hammered yet, and his failed attempt to hammer you.

can you expand on bolded? it doesn't have to be now since you're hungover

[Wh4t]

Hmm just looked at his ISO I can definitely see townie thoughts in there. So I could be wrong, won't be lynching him today. I'll look at BuJaber next.

[Wh4t]

Yeah Bu is fine. Why were you not townreading him Tor?

[Toranaga]

I never evaluated bujaber past his wolfread on my slot

lemme ISO

[Toranaga]

I'll do it when I'm up

[Wh4t]

I think BuJaber is town, but it's not because he reminded the Mod something was missing in the OP.

Why don't you tell us why you think BuJaber is town? Is it because he doesn't want to get townread for asking about the setup?

Dislike Fromage attacking people's townreads and not really giving reads of his own. I feel like scum are more likely to shutdown townreads early in this manner with little follow up. Questionning reads and not coming to any conclusions is a good way to avoid backing yourself into a corner as scum, and it also gives the appearance of scum hunting.

Thinking eragons towny and inferno is weirdy

Could you please elaborate a bit why you think eragon is towny?

I stopped paying attention to Inferno's posts already. I would appreciate it if he put Manatee @L-1 though and would state intent myself.

Question: why not vote manatee yourself?

Well, because I firmly believe in lynching a VT claim on D1. This will force the Scum to claim a PR (the PR they're immune to) as a last resort before they eat rope. I am already on Inferno though, so can't do that to him, but if Manatee is @L-1 and claims VT I'm going to hammer him.

I'm concerned that this eagerness to hammer early into D1 is coming from scum A50. I don't believe a townie would call intent to hammer someone without a superstrong case beforehand, which again is impossible this early. Another problem with this post is that he says it's strategic to make scum claim PR, but that doesn't outweigh the loss of an actual VT. He's also shooting himself in the foot by telling everyone his plan to trap a fale claim instead of just doing something covert and clever, which he's more than capable of.

[Fromage]

Sorry for my absence. I've read through page 11.

I don't like how Eragon urged the hammer-happy Almost50 to unvote so he could place the L-1 vote. Unsure if it's scummy though. However I liked how he unvoted inferno after the AtE. Reconsidering your reads is good in my view. I'd also like to know why Eragon townreads me.

I think it was right of inferno not to claim when he was at l-2 but don't understand why he refused to hammer when he was at l-1 and intent was stated.

Egg's posts feel townie.

[LastManStanding]

Votecount 1.78

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Wh4t

(3): Toranaga, Poseidon, GameNBurger

Toranaga

(3): Eragon, Egg, BuJaber

GameNBurger

(1): Fromage

Not Voting

(1): Almost50, Wh4t

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-08-14 08:00:00)

(LastManStanding has been prodded for being inactive for too long. How foolish of him.)

[LastManStanding]

VOTE: Tor [/unvote]

this shouldn't count as a vote

I didn't count it, for multiple reasons.

[Egg]

I don't have time to read all that.

Unvote

V/LA until Saturday night

[Eragon]

Sorry for my absence. I've read through page 11.

I don't like how Eragon urged the hammer-happy Almost50 to unvote so he could place the L-1 vote. Unsure if it's scummy though. However I liked how he unvoted inferno after the AtE. Reconsidering your reads is good in my view. I'd also like to know why Eragon townreads me.

I think it was right of inferno not to claim when he was at l-2 but don't understand why he refused to hammer when he was at l-1 and intent was stated.

Egg's posts feel townie.

When did I place the L-1 vote after urging A50 to unvote?

[GameNBurger]

He’s referencing when you urged A59 to place someone at L-1

[Almost50]

He’s referencing when you urged A59 to place someone at L-1

Woah, waoh! I'm not even 51 yet! Let's not rush "certain things" here.

[GameNBurger]

A69, you have any thoughts on current reads now that you’ve withdrawn from the Tor scumread?

[Egg]

Ok, plan for just before work changed so I'm gonna see if I can catch up quick before actually being V/LA...

This may be a bit nitpicky, but in game's page 16 post where he votes wh4t, I don't like how he tacks on that Tor will probably be lynched anyway. If that's his mindset, the wh4t vote seems pointless coming from town. If you aren't urging people to vote with you or anything and don't think you'll get that Lynch, why switch? It feels like it could be scum trying to stay off of the Lynch wagon. Caveats: Game did say he isn't sold on Tor being town, so I can see that being an ok compromise for him still. And, Game has a wagon on himself so if he's scum why not just let the Tor Lynch go through. Yeah, my read on Game can be described as "conflicted". He's hard for me to read.
^After typing this, I notice wh4t had the same issue with that post.

I've been thinking about Almost's stance on lynching a claimed VT. My thoughts are this: I agree if we believe the claimed VT could still flip scum. However, if we think Tor is actually VT, I disagree. I'd rather Lynch scum or hell even no Lynch than knowingly Lynch town. I skimmed the stuff I'm about to read already and the more I've seen, the more I've questioned my scum read on Tor. So my Lynch preference will have more to do with my read on Tor than the fact that he claimed VT.

Ok yeah, 428 from Tor looks town to me. Thinking he's dead and throwing shade on the person who "hammered" would be pointless as scum. As town, it's a bad read because it comes from Tor's own emotions, but probably a genuine reaction. I see Eragon (probably) agrees.

Eragon, what do you mean when you keep saying WIM? Context tells me the M is probably motivation but I can't figure it out and it's killing me lol.

So.... Tor is probably town. I think wh4t is town. Ugh. Could it just be Game/Almost70?

[GameNBurger]

Egg is the the supposed pairing of me and A71 based on more on my posts and then inferring him as the partner, or the either way around?

[Almost50]

A69, you have any thoughts on current reads now that you’ve withdrawn from the Tor scumread?

To be quite honest, I have no leads. If I accept both Tor & Wh4t to be Town then I probably have you for my main lynch target, but I can't come up with a case on you if Tor is Town.

[Almost50]

GOD! Let's hammer someone and end the day already before I reach 100 all of a sudden!