Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Creature]

I think everybody who posted so far since this thread opened is town

[Creature]

Probably leaves Alonzo, the worst, ruru, Bujaber, ejjinami, Gamma Emerald

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: the worst

???

[skitter30]

also this means my track record of reading a50 correctly is still going strong

[Creature]

VOTE: ejjinami

[Creature]

thought I've been playing though

[Vex Vience]

you have been, but you're confirmed town. tbh, i kinda expect you to be one of the very top posters, one of the most active people in the game if only because you're modconfirmed town

[skitter30]

also the strength of my hws scumread is less than the strength of your ceejay scumread so probably we should just lynch nm

Maybe you missed it or you didn't take me seriously, but I'm most serious when I say I do NOT lynch N_M regardless of both our alignments. I don't even shoot the guy when I'm scum and he's town if I had a say on it. The one time I remember we shot him it wasn't my call and I argued against it in the scum PT.

Now I know it's unreasonable and borders on throwing, but the good news is I won't oppose it or fight or back. I just won't actively vote N_M myself.

i mean this was a thing even and he could have been pushed on this? i'm just confused overall

[Creature]

you have been, but you're confirmed town. tbh, i kinda expect you to be one of the very top posters, one of the most active people in the game if only because you're modconfirmed town

Being conftown is hard. I can't pick fights like non-clears do.

[Creature]

Gamma looks bad too

[ruru]

inno ejji

these flips don't really change my sr on tw, more on that in a minute

skitter and I would both stonewall an a50 lynch and he isn't a wasted shot if he flips vt

and he had decent pr equity (I think he made a point of giving himself high vig equity in particular)

I think the nk makes sense, it's probably what I would do as scum if I had no strong pr reads

[skitter30]

he also has a thing where he tries to soft pr to get himself nk'd so overall it's a little random but not super surprising all in all

[ruru]

I think tw's play has been results-oriented in a tmi way: he expects to deliver us a redflip and then not die as a result, without really scumhunting or doing anything else towny

ceejay wasn't being a valuable scum player in this game and tw is a valuable scum player and a willing busser, even in situations where there's a reason not to bus (such as being the least valuable scum PR and bussing the most valuable scum PR in 728)

ceejay inevitably gets lynched in this game the way he was posting and tw having recently played scum with him can't exactly try to hard defend him

tw has a mysterious meta "obvscum" read on ceejay that he won't explain and that required very little readable content from ceejay (which the absence of such is not scum-indicative for him) and no interaction with his slot to form

every game on ms people assume that scum wouldn't bus because XYZ and every game scum bus

I would really like to see examples of:
a) apathy town tw - which he refused to provide meta of when I asked and this supports the idea of him expecting to just get a free pass for delivering a redflip, which only scum could really be sure would happen
b) sacrificial scum tw - he might choose try to lynch town d1 here as scum but given the scumreads already on him that would probably lead to him never making endgame. I haven't seen sacrificial scum play from tw before, so I'm curious if it's a thing he does at all

because afaik he's currently still in his scum meta and out of his town meta.

back to getting red flips

similar language was used in 728 when he bussed jjh (who was scummy but not lockscum, similar to how ceejay was here) and nsg considered it noteworthy

if a vig exists I just trust the vig not to be stupid. if I could hammer I would :p

this post is disturbingly antitown and tw should know that and I'm not sure if town.tw tries to get the vig killed like this

[ruru]

well, more like he couldn't remember who he replaced; i think he'd know who replaced his partner

it doesn't feel faked to me, idk if i can explain that better

do you think hws is viggable? maybe lynch ceejay vig hws

unless you think we have enough time before ceejay replaces that we should be using that time

I would be down with this

VOTE: Not_Mafia
HURT: the worst

you know what, i think that works for me too

VOTE: notmafia
HURT: duckling

We all agree we’re trying to lynch people whose scumflip can give meaningful associations right? So why NM?

also these two posts don't read like a partner to me it's like he forgot they were even the same slot

[ruru]

VOTE: the worst

[Creature]

tw is a valuable scum player

I don't really think.

[skitter30]

i'm still not super solid on town!tw despite being on cj tbh; the apathy/tone still feel not like town to me; but pushing the scumflip was enough to make me not want him vigged

actually 1523 feels kinda like partners to me

[ruru]

I don't doubt 1523 looks bad by itself but do you really think he makes both those posts as a partner?

[ruru]

also like realistically what would that gamma post change if he's trying to save his scummy partner

95% of the time it does nothing and just makes him look bad

[skitter30]

1331 doens't really feel not-partner-y; it's not like he jumped on that wagon or anything; it feels lip-service-y without actually doing anything about it

i don't know if gamma thinks about his posts that way

[Alonzo]

I'm town, I was gonna deathtunnel A50 today, so I need to re read and come up with a plan B

[the worst]

Well initial thoughts are ruru is town based on the last minute unvote.

Interesting turn of night events. No vig maybe, unless duck is BP/traitor (but don't claim vig if so). Also feel like with the NK target, scum were TPR hunting so we could expect they picked a few modifiers?

pings scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Hypo-inno ruru
Idk what skitter is asking about what I think of my posts

[the worst]

I think tw's play has been results-oriented in a tmi way: he expects to deliver us a redflip and then not die as a result, without really scumhunting or doing anything else towny

ok so you literally witnessed what happened the last time I tried to bus so please tell me you actually think I

*clears throat*

> rep'd into a scumslot
> decided to expose scum!cjv for towncred (?) when he'd just been dropped into his usual "too hard to read" bin
> cjv then spewed antiassociatives and then flaked from the game because.....?? he didn't like my bus strategy? waht
> I suddenly got really really good at bussing and changed my bussing ethos dramatically

like this conclusion is so vague and has nearly no thought behind it. I'd feel better if you jumped into the thread with a fucking fake guilty. seriously. stop tunnelling me and pay attention to the fact cjv and I were obviously not scum together.

actually fuck it this could be scum. will revisit later


hypo inno Bujaber

[the worst]

tw is a valuable scum player

I don't really think.

QFT
I also have no reason to bus considering nobody here knows my scum meta very well. especially someone who nobody was paying attention to.