Open 736: Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

It looks like that’s what you’re calling for

[Music and Mail]

YES IT DOES

penguin

i'm being bullied by a listmod

can u pls protect me

[Music and Mail]

abuse of mod

[implosion]

It looks like that’s what you’re calling for

who am i voting atm

[Gamma Emerald]

I know what you wrote

[implosion]

it's almost like i wrote that i was close to doing it, but not at that point yet, and then didn't do it (yet)!

[Gamma Emerald]

So? I made that comment with that in mind.

[implosion]

It's just weird to say that I'm calling for it when I am not calling for it.

[Not_Mafia]

This game got unfun when I stopped being the top poster

[Music and Mail]

lynch da scums and end da games

[BuJaber]

@Cmod - I agree that you should investigate M&M. I think there is a lot hanging on that to the point that it will a) influence scum actions which will give us clues and b) give town the ability to make mechanical plays in our favor.

@A50 - I am curious what games lead you to make that assessment of my scum game. It's above what I would rate myself given that I've won only 1 scum game if I'm not mistaken.

@A50 + M&M - I think the correct play is between your two options. There is imo no good reason to lynch Cmod as early as d2 just to confirm M&M, but NOT lynching cmod at all isn't a great solution either. What will happen is come day 3 or even day 4 we would have several NKs and several lynches. I really don't expect us to mislynch twice in a row if nobody in {a50, M&M, and Cmod} dies. Basically I think the correct play is to lynch cmod on day 3, if there is still reason to be paranoid about one of those 3. With the info that NK's, potential cop results, and 2 mislynches, I believe we will have a fairly accurate idea of which scum teams are IMPOSSIBLE, meaning we will either eliminate Cmod+M&M as an option OR we will lynch cmod at that point. Also by then if A50 is not dead and people are suspecting him we could consider lynching him also, as I can see this sort of gambit coming from cmod + A50. Tbh it seems like a much better gambit than if M&M + cmod are a team. The fact that it would have 1 townie in between them, where they can WIFOM their way into a townbloc and buddy M&M in the process would be pretty big to pass up.

Like I expected my wagon has fizzled, I'd like us to lynch in {PP, gamma, implosion, skitter} in that order of preference. UNLESS someone has good reason to believe that NM is scum here or that PP is town.

Lovebird needs to post a lot to make up for the absence of her predecessor. (This time I will not let you live if you're scum I will not doubt myself)

[Music and Mail]

How can we solve this game?

[Music and Mail]

Bujaber in exchange for my having protected you from being lynched I would appreciate if you vote with me on Implosion.

[Not_Mafia]

How can we solve this game?

Lynch Penguin

[Music and Mail]

Or we could lynch implo, who is scum

[Not_Mafia]

Penguin is scum

[Not_Mafia]

I was the top poster for a while, are you proud of me RC?

[Music and Mail]

You've done good not_mafia kun

[Music and Mail]

How can we solve this game?

[implosion]

To explain exactly why it's BoP-worthy, Gamma, since RC touched on it but you might have missed it:
in a freshly completed game, I was scum and RC was town (both of us in from the beginning), and RC hard tunneled me and made this claim:

or

crazy suggestion

take the time to do a deep meta dive, look for tells that I'm not aware of, and use them to read me.

kind of like what I did with implosion, or with LLD, or with various other people who I wanted to be able to read consistently for various different reasons

The biggest reason that I'm disinclined from straight BoP scumreading RC is that he's been explicit here that he might be wrong; while there's an element there that's sort of weird, in that other game, he initially was deathtunneling a team of me + skitter, but eventually completely rescinded the read on skitter based on her reactions. And if he's town, there's a solid chance he does the same here, even though I'm baseline skeptical that he has this read on me as town.

At that point in that game I bought that RC had a way of reliably reading me, because I knew I'd done a number of things in that game that I'm bad about avoiding as scum, and that I was definitely very solidly readable as scum to someone who knows my meta well enough. This is why I was surprised when RC replaced in here and immediately put me at the bottom of his reads list; it theoretically shouldn't happen if he's town (unless he just got at least a small amount lucky in scumreading me in that other game, which I didn't think was the case) because I've played my town meta pretty clearly in this game. And it didn't seem like something RC-scum would have much incentive to do, as he'd know I'd immediately be skeptical of him after that game, and I don't see much reason for him to draw that ire.

Despite him saying his read is 80%, I'm honestly still expecting him to flip it, whether he is town or scum. If he is town and doesn't flip his read then it's honestly kind of surprising given that I thought his read on me in that game was legitimate.

[Music and Mail]

How can we solve this game?

How can we solve this game?

How can we solve this game?

How can we solve this game?

How can we solve this game?

[implosion]

I kind of want to talk more about A50 as well.

Also, the reaction from implosion to me voting him is more likely to come from town than scum. He didn't even bother ask me for a case, which means he either doesn't care of is reading with comprehension.

This is kind of a really shitty line. I think this way of commenting on a reaction is scummy; not 100% sure why.

576 also rings bells, particularly the line

Let's play chicken. Let's see if RC drives this lynch home.

Why do you mention that as town? Why does town not post the exact same post, minus this line? I find it sort of hard to believe that he genuinely thinks he's going to "call RC's bluff" as well. It could be pompousness as town but it feels like sort of an attempt to react to RC scumreading in a way that looks good.

[Music and Mail]

How can we solve this game?

How can we solve this game?

I'm gonna vote Lil Uzi Vert because he still hasn't posted his IC post and thus must be refraining from doing that so the newbies can't catch him.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

How can we solve this game?

How can we solve this game?

Because I'm playing on MU.

How can we solve this game?

How can we solve this game?

Back from MU.

How can we solve this game?

How can we solve this game?

Ugh, the game is hard.

How can we solve this game?

How can we solve this game?

[implosion]

Penguin's ISO is also just so much more chaff than I remember. Even his content posts are kind of just chaff. I don't like that he asked me why BuJaber was scum, I gave him a pretty substantive early case type thing in response, and he didn't even acknowledge it. Feels like posturing to make it look like he's trying to gamesolve and/or work with me when he isn't.

[BuJaber]

Bujaber in exchange for my having protected you from being lynched I would appreciate if you vote with me on Implosion.

I think I was doing fine on my own. It was a hell of a lot worse in earthbound mafia and I wasn't lynched even though scum got me all the way to L-1 I think.

Thanks though anyway if you're town whether or not you helped you actually tried to help which is good.

But I don't like implosion as a lynch before PP / gamma. I think gamma flips informs imp's alignment but it doesn't work very well the other way on the chance that he flips town. Like right now with the way that gamma a) pushed me, b) invalidated my meta read, and c) indirectly defended implosion, if implosion flips town then gamma could be either alignment.

I also think PP and Imp are not scum together.

So basically I need to know that the chance for imp to flip scum is much higher than him flipping town for it to make sense to lynch him first before the other 2. And I can only do that if I trust you fully which won't be before day 2. Join us on PP