Open 739: Epic Duel [Game Over]
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I don't think the duel mechanics should be used early in the game, because it brings town more harm than good.Io wrote:I mean, really I don't think the duels do anything.
It just makes the game go by faster because it makes it double lynch nightless.
Duel is literally just another lynch as it's the exact same mechanic.
Like, there's no need to rush to get the additional day lynch, because scum aren't able to kill at night anyways
so we can just take our time and not worry about all of that
and even though people might think that they've got solid reads early in the game, all of that usually ends in everyone changing them later anyways
so forcing people to vote among 2 people early in the game is illogical.
It might make sense, late in the game, if scum get near majority, but doing it early on is just not needed- Shoshin
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And?In post 26, Walt wrote:Except you're locked in to two wagons that aren't necessarily consensus
Pedit: @io
It's still a second lynch. Although you have less choices it's still the same as a lynch.Morituri te salutant. Et semper mortem memini.- Io
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I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.In post 28, ejjinami wrote:
I don't think the duel mechanics should be used early in the game, because it brings town more harm than good.Io wrote:I mean, really I don't think the duels do anything.
It just makes the game go by faster because it makes it double lynch nightless.
Duel is literally just another lynch as it's the exact same mechanic.
Like, there's no need to rush to get the additional day lynch, because scum aren't able to kill at night anyways
so we can just take our time and not worry about all of that
and even though people might think that they've got solid reads early in the game, all of that usually ends in everyone changing them later anyways
so forcing people to vote among 2 people early in the game is illogical.
It might make sense, late in the game, if scum get near majority, but doing it early on is just not needed
Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.Morituri te salutant. Et semper mortem memini.- Shoshin
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Out in the Wild Wild West, there was a rivalry.
Now this rivalry was nothing like the one between the Pirates and the Ninjas. Nah, this rivalry was between the Gunslingers and the Sharpshooters. Crazy right? To folks like you and I, maybe. To them? It's very serious.
Now sit down, shut up, and pull out your note book! There's gonna be a quiz afterwards - or is it afterwords? whatever! that's not important! - , so suck it up buttercups.
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XxdarkfrostxX: Io
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Nicholas Cage:
Wh4t: BuJaber, Walt
Shoshin: ejjinami
BuJaber:
Io: Garmr, RadiantCowbells
Walt: Nicholas Cage, Shoshin
Garmr:
ejjinami:
Not Voting: XxdarkfrostxX, Wh4t
Plurality Lynch Mechanic In Play: the player with the most votes by the end of the day will be lynched. If there is no lynch by the time the clock runs down, the Sharpshooters are given the opportunity to kill any player of their choosing.
Deadline: (expired on 2018-10-11 10:23:50)Last edited by AnonymousGhost on Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:34 am, edited 3 times in total.- Walt
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Just saying it's not exactly the same because you can't back out. Seems a pretty big difference to me.In post 31, Io wrote:
And?In post 26, Walt wrote:Except you're locked in to two wagons that aren't necessarily consensus
Pedit: @io
It's still a second lynch. Although you have less choices it's still the same as a lynch.Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
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In post 30, Shoshin wrote:Hey Ejji, help me lynch Walt?
Is this a wagon the new guy and see if he cracks thing?In post 33, Shoshin wrote:Hey Io, join me on Walt!Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
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why watt?In post 30, Shoshin wrote:Hey Ejji, help me lynch Walt?
Are your early reads perfect? Don’t you ever change them later on?In post 31, Io wrote:
And?In post 26, Walt wrote:Except you're locked in to two wagons that aren't necessarily consensus
Pedit: @io
It's still a second lynch. Although you have less choices it's still the same as a lynch.
If yes, why rush things when you can’t even back out of it later? You’ll just end up in a situation where you (conf town from your pov) are in a duel with your previous SR, which is now a TR.
While the risk might be worth it late in the game, why rush it early on? Wouldn’t it be better to just wait a few days more just to get that chance to back out if sth unexpected happens?- ejjinami
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it being day 3 instead of day 5 makes a big difference imoIn post 32, Io wrote:I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.
Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.- Io
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Yes, I am flawless. No I do not change reads unless I'm a Cop.In post 39, ejjinami wrote:Are your early reads perfect? Don’t you ever change them later on?
If yes, why rush things when you can’t even back out of it later? You’ll just end up in a situation where you (conf town from your pov) are in a duel with your previous SR, which is now a TR.
While the risk might be worth it late in the game, why rush it early on? Wouldn’t it be better to just wait a few days more just to get that chance to back out if sth unexpected happens?
Why rush things? Because last time I decided to make compromises and let someone I was confident scum not hang they survived to the end and scum won.
But yeah no. If you're confident someone is scum you'd be stupid to let them live and not try to lynch them, duel them, or make a case on them.
Not really since duels add time almost equal to a whole day anyways.ejjinami wrote:
it being day 3 instead of day 5 makes a big difference imoIn post 32, Io wrote:I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.
Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.Morituri te salutant. Et semper mortem memini.- ejjinami
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wait, actually, that's an interesting idea :IIn post 36, Io wrote:Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.
idk how would it work, but you've got my attention- Io
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Well it's mostly a thing for when there are only 2 scum left.In post 42, ejjinami wrote:
wait, actually, that's an interesting idea :IIn post 36, Io wrote:Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.
idk how would it work, but you've got my attention
If we come to a consensus "Player X duel player Y" then if they are both scum they will not duel each other because scum would instantly lose by default.
Therefor it can be used as a sort of Parity Cop where we know if both refuse to duel then they both have to be scum but otherwise if they agree we know at least 1 is town.Morituri te salutant. Et semper mortem memini.- Io
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but you can't back out of itIn post 41, Io wrote:Yes, I am flawless. No I do not change reads unless I'm a Cop.
Why rush things? Because last time I decided to make compromises and let someone I was confident scum not hang they survived to the end and scum won.
But yeah no. If you're confident someone is scum you'd be stupid to let them live and not try to lynch them, duel them, or make a case on them.
Not really since duels add time almost equal to a whole day anyways.ejjinami wrote:
it being day 3 instead of day 5 makes a big difference imoIn post 32, Io wrote:I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.
Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.
it's good late game, because of the rising scum influence, but early in the game it's just unneeded
jeez, that's what I was talking about the whole time
i guess it would be hard to convince someone with a really confident read,
but...
if most of the players in the game are town...
and they think your read is weak..........
and the game is in its early stages, so you'll have a lot of time to observe your target and see if it's you or them who is being stupid...
...........
sigh, I mean, it obviously doesn't apply to people with an obvious meta and stuff like that
but idk, I guess it depends on experience :/ I don't think I'll be dueling anyone early on anyways.
Perhaps later in the game, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.- ejjinami
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whoa :O that's kinda coolIn post 43, Io wrote:
Well it's mostly a thing for when there are only 2 scum left.In post 42, ejjinami wrote:
wait, actually, that's an interesting idea :IIn post 36, Io wrote:Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.
idk how would it work, but you've got my attention
If we come to a consensus "Player X duel player Y" then if they are both scum they will not duel each other because scum would instantly lose by default.
Therefor it can be used as a sort of Parity Cop where we know if both refuse to duel then they both have to be scum but otherwise if they agree we know at least 1 is town.- Io
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and die miserably later onIn post 47, Io wrote:I don't know why people act like not being able to back down is a bad thing.
This is the wild west not flag football. Step up and have some confidence in your reads.
idk, it might be just me. I generally tend to get paranoid about every single read when I get to lynching them
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