Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[the worst]

POW creature
POW...probably Eragon I guess, sigh.. his read on Creature and awkward responses to it just don't mesh but also it felt like a town case
POW Keyser probably

If I'm being finessed it's by {you, Keyser} imo

[ManateeDude]

Ausuka has replaced Lefty, thanks!

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Work on another slot? It's sitting in the back of my mind too, but kinda like his contributions so far have been good and his v/la is finite

it's not like tryna sort assembler or something, if we need Korina to spew content and he's still v/la he'll probably be able to sort out a time later I guess

@DrJ

Kor pls confirm
LCP do you guys discord or anything to keep in touch?

We have a hydra PT, that's our main mode of contact.

He has since posted so I take it his vla is over

My apologies for not being here either as much as I'd like - I've caught a cold and by the time I get home at night I'm ready to fall asleep

Here now though

Lcp

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

DrJ what is your read on eragon?
eragon what is your read on keyser?
keyser what is your read on DrJ?

creature do you have any solid reads yet

Hold on

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I haven't, don't know about LCPL.
Running out of time to actually post atm, will have to later tonight/tomorrow.

-Kor

Yes, I read them and am responding now

[Keyser Söze]

me, LabRat and Creature

Time to turn this a townblock?

Tempted.

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

I just skimmed eragon's ISO

Someone else said they saw a strong start. I didn't see that, all I saw was basically a lot of fluff there. Without knowing any meta of him I can't really draw substantial conclusions as to his alignment from that. I like the tone of his posts, but that's about it. I also noticed in his post on creatures iso, there was a lot of IIOA. I think town will tend to do that actually day 1, since it's about all the scumhunting they can do at that period. Wheras scum, especially newscum doesn't have to scumhunt with the benefit of foreknowledge so they will probably just fluff around not doing much - at least, that's what I did end up doing in my other two games. When you see someone posting a case with IIOA maybe later on that's more scummy imo. Basically what I'm saying, IIOA at this stage would be evident of genuine effort which I think scum probably won't do at that stage

I'm putting that down as slight town based on that

[Ausuka]

Hi.

[the worst]

AUSUUKKKKAAAAAAA
watchmen wanted reunion hype \o/


you scum?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Hi, welcome

Vote creature with me?

[the worst]

with

you

?!
I started voting creature loooong before it was cool.

[Ausuka]

Sure, if this is a WW reunion I have to get called opportunistic at least once right?

VOTE: Creature

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

You... did? I thought I started that wagon albeit you had mentioned suspicion of him before. I suppose I was wrong

Anyway, I'm voting him so his voting there will still be voting with me

[the worst]

Sure, if this is a WW reunion I have to get called opportunistic at least once right?

VOTE: Creature

expecting us to call you opportunistic just for voting the biggest wagon is sOoOoooOoOoOO opportunistic

[Keyser Söze]

What is this

Welcome Ausuka!!!!

[the worst]

Did you know?

Orca whales are one of the most widespread species in the world..

Votecount 1.04

the worst (2) - Keyser Soze, Irrelephant
Keyser Söze (1) - Lefty
LabRat01 (1) - volxen
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Carmen
Creature (1) - the worst
Not Voting - Creature, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, LabRat01

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

See? Trend setting @LCP

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde re-read

(Part 2 of 2)

"How would Keyser know that unless he's scum?"

It appears Dr J takes things literally... or misses the tone of posts. Is this a cute thing to town read...? @Irrelephant11, or NAI?

"I could see this as scum trying to prolong RVS, try and appear to be there while not contributing, etc."

More LAMIST-y (?) but from LCL this time.

"Have you a case behind this? Or just waiting for the sake of it?!"
This is a weird over-reaction (?)

I feel like scum tends to be more cautious with their votes. I definitely am like that a lot. So this feels scummy.

VOTE: Keyser

N.b. if Korina voted anyone by page 9 I will revote not to disturb his scumhunting

Did LCL need to put that "N.b." after his vote to cover his ass'? (which I personally hated). His momentum needed to stay with LabRat IMO. He does unvote later...

"I'd probably call it an attempt to buddy me, given I know him from back then, and am possibly likely to respond by TRing him."

This self reflection looks good on him.

"Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon"

Half the playerlist weren't even actively posting - I don't think we can draw that clear RVS conclusion here.

"he kind of feels like he is enthusiastic"

I would sheep that sentiment about TW though.

"I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me,"

That was bugging me, so I'm glad it bugged Dr J too.

Consolidated case (post #398) on LabRat - better now than I first first.

"Come join me on him. That means scum has to get their entire team into heaven making it much more difficult for them to win"

"It will flip scum, I'm 99% sure"

Some nice confidence shown here on their new zealous scum read of Creature

"good reply, will read in detail later tonight, but I'll bump you farther down the scum list"

"All that being said I definitely feel much less like you are scum. Your reaction here to my post feels very town"

@Dr J , PLease can we see the detail and reasons for this, the whys and hows.

Gonna have to put together some conclusions now...

His reaction to my post felt genuine (one thing I liked in particular was that he didn't have to answer the post at all, he could have just let it slide but he came back and did answer it) and I wasn't as confident in my scumcase which was a bit shaky to start with. It was all I had back then. Furthermore, his posting had improved a lot at that point. I probably had more reasoning for reversing but I can't remember it

[ManateeDude]

Did you know?

Baby peacocks can function on their own just one day after birth..

Votecount 1.10

Creature (4) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst, volxen, Ausuka
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Eragon
Eragon (1) - Irrelephant
Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01, Keyser Söze

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

[the worst]

UNVOTE:

[Eragon]

[snip]

P.Edit
About the heaven lynch, I think I’d be fine with volx after all
That’s not personally my strong TR, but if he really is scum (I'm kind of tempted to believe in the TRs on him, but meh), that’s a very valuable flip to get (even if it’s a heaven lynch imo)
I really doubt that scum would just remain idle if they got such a wonderful opportunity to get rid of one of them to heaven and only 2 people (as far as I remember) seemed to strongly push them being town

VOTE: eragon

Elaborate please (or quote the read cuz your posts are long and I might have missed it xd )

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I disagree with most of it, but I think volx’s read on eragon was good

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And sorry, that’s just a catchup, I got back like 2 hours ago, so I haven’t been able to do anything yet
Going to sleep rn, but I will 100% have time to work on my reads tomorrow
Sry for that

1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum? Do you think using heaven lynches to sort is a good strategy in this setup?
2 - I haven not yet laid out a case on eragon, because I wanted to see his reaction first. But the short version is that it came from his read on creature - it feels like he's too sure creature is town, which had me paranoid that eragon was TMI-ing bad!town!creature. I also don't think eragon is outside his scum meta so far, and though I understand his being busy, I feel like scum give excuses for being busy more often than town (who will show up when they show up, whatever)

how am i in any way acting as if im sure creature is town????? during my case i was going back and forth, some scummy things but more towny things IMO, and i came to the conclusion creature is town, but i also acknowledged multiple times im wrong and have responded fairly to everyone(Volxen) who has responded to my case, as well as agreeing that there were a couple posts that seeing a different opinion of changed my opinion. I really can't see why everyone thinks i have such a strong townread on creature, because i really don't think it came offr that way

i agree im not outside of scum meta, but

Spoiler: self-meta

if i were scum i wouldn't be as active as i really am now and would more ride the slank of my business instead of going to this in any free time, which leads to my next point...

you say im using "business" as an excuse to not do anything and its something more liekly for scum to do? Have you seen me NOT putting in effort? do you think im using the "excuse" as you put it for me to not post content, am i taking advantage of my life to effect this game? NO! I told ya'll that im busy, yes, but has that stopped me from putting forward my best effort atm? Its more of a reason to explain why i won't be able to be on like 24/7 and instant-respond, resorting to catchups such as this, as well as me just having a place to rant about my horrors of life.

Kinda dependent on TReading creature which idk if I do but I wanted to see what might happen

my read... is dependant on if YOU... townread creature?????

836
-I was telling Keyser that he does indeed know that sheeping players I think are town is town indicative for me
-I asked you to vote Keyser to test a partner theory, but I got bored and moved on before it went anywhere
-See above for my vote on you
-Don't love you shading volxen by saying I'm townreading him too strongly without giving any reason why

i don't feel im shading volxen at all, i said i AGREE with your points that he is town. I just disagree that he should be such strongly considered town simply based on a "nuanced" meta. if anything it looks worse for you than volxen. And i did give reasons, exactly what i stated here. "IT shouldn't be such a strong read yet based off of 14 posts and shit becuase i find the beginning of the game is where people put forward the best effort so its harder to tell metas early game unless there is a crazy distinctive one.

837
-I asked Keyser if he is scum as a joke
-Keyser's comment about creature that you're calling OTT is obviously meant to be funny?

is it a joke? i didnt even realize that i mean, i understand it was told in a humourous way, but i thought it was a serious thought process.

-trying to decide if *lack of awareness of humorous intent* is AI for eragon (I remember it happening a couple times in our last game, too) - maybe sometime I'll have the time to meta research this

I miss sarcasm/irony a lot but i also really like jokes

[Eragon]

DrJ what is your read on eragon?
eragon what is your read on keyser?
keyser what is your read on DrJ?

creature do you have any solid reads yet

i'll have to look back and i'll give you a better explanation then, but from what i've seen im leaning a little bit wolf.

off the top of my head, i think he feels a bit pocket-y which i didn't feel in WW, and there are a few pings i've had that i'll elaborate later.
i haven't focused on any of his posts before i replaced in though so i'll make a set read then.

[Eragon]

keyser what is your read on DrJ?

Think it was: 'town lean, but it makes me feel dirty'


I really wanted to look at Lefty today :/ TW said he was town but I did not feel it for the short time he was with us.

May look at Dr J and Eragon instead and figure out a PoE. Cos right now it kinda feels like I'm onboard the Orient Express.

i agree with that about doc j :3

1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum?

tbh, if Volxen did flip scum in heaven I would look at you (you are a type of scum-player to white-knight his scum teammates to high heaven and not bus)

chaining lynches together??
what he accused me of in WW

Want to talk about my concerns.

If you feel me..I mean FILL me with enough confidence and peace of mind over these 2 items, I’d be happy to send Dr J to heaven



What’s the possibility of:

1 DrJ imitating their LAMIST-y output to pad out their active questioning? (Scum motivation? To be town read via meta)

2 is it coincidence or scum pt agenda, that their two main passionate pushes (LabRat and Creature) have reflected the in-game focus too? Notice the two campaigns /scum reads never overlapped. The timing... the support... the tunnel vision...

i personally feel LAMIST-y things are scummy just in general, as i feel town have no need to post it.
that said sometimes it happens that people do post things they feel are fine but other people see as LAMIST

so i don't think anything LAMIST deserves a townread, but if its something they do and/or the rest of their posts are fine its not a scum-tell either

okay yes, let's talk, will focus on this for a few minutes

LAMIST as a self-meta-replicating strategy is possible but maybe unlikely, given I seemed to surprise Korina by describing their play that way? I'll concede that it's probably closer to NAI/townlean than *strongly* town indicative, given I'm not that familiar with scum!Korina or the other head

I'd have to do a deeper dive to remember if DrJ's pushes led or followed the crowd on labrat - do you know offhand from re-reading? Definitely some element of sheeping tw on Creature, I think

as above, i disagree in . LAMIST ever being towny

[Eragon]

Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor

actually seems like DrJ was "onto" creature in the first five pages

What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)

actually yeah I'm not seeing what you're seeing re:tunnel vision

What about DrJ's play feels tunnel vision-y?

ftr in Children of Hurin(i think creature was town there the OP wasn't updated) he didnt post until like 160-200 so thats NAI
if he was scum there might need to re-look.

[the worst]

:3

921 is a v v wolfy post

[Eragon]

Strong town lean.
Destined for heaven.

this about Doc. J correct?
even though you thought they were a bit LAMIST-y

side note:

Spoiler:

i forget if keyser was one of the people saying i had too easy of a townread on creature, but if so then he's p.much doing the same thing with a much stronger read on Doc. J. IF he wasn't one of those people ignore this spoiler.

Btw Irrelephant, you have too many town reads right now

In a game with an especially high number of scum this is suprising too

how many townreads/scumreads do you have?

i mean, "too many townreads" what does that mean?
there are 6 town and 3 scum
take out yourself and you have 5/3
then is too many townreads 5?
or is it 4?
just explain whyt you think they have "Too many"

mmkay great just wanted something committal that I wouldn't have to feel paranoid was just a copy of what I said

also I agree I have too many townreads
I said the same like 3 pages ago lol
tbf I'm not sure I townread you, you're just fun to interact with
I would actually *like* for the scumteam to be you/creature/eragon but that feels lazy and somewhat unlikely
who do you think I should scumread that I don't right now

and then i realize irrel agrees
^_^

wait how did you get to strong townlean?
I'm not sure I see anything other than mild townlean in your catchup

They were already a town lean (but I felt dirty)

After my re-read and our chat...

Their playstyle is apparently nothing outside their town meta... it sounds like I’m merely tinfoiling that they’ve pocketed me via meta-replication.

I’m not finding their timing/choice/progression on LabRat/Creature as suspicious as I first was... maybe they’re just slashing at their scum read with unnatural conviction in their own unique way, while the real scum swoop in after (?).



It would be good to hear your view of them after your re-read.

Are they currently higher or lower than town lean?

so kinda just a completely flipped read from what you thought?

and to me this doesn't add up to strong town.

"they are pretty much replicating their town meta"
"but i also thought of the possiblity they could be repliciating that as scum and pocketing me"
"nah nvm"

"i first thought this was scummy but not anymore"
"maybe they're just really strongly pushing their SR with unnatural conviction in their unique way"
"real scum are actually probably looking to swoop in after"

these to me feel as if you are REALLY trying your hardest to make them look town, even saying "maybe they are being weird(basically unnatural) in their unique(which also means not normal) way. these don't add up to a strong townread

No clue on Carmen's preference

I think I'm right about AT townlean for DrJ. I had them higher before you pointed out that LAMIST-as-town-meta doesn't mean they have to be town just because they're LAMIST. I haven't had the time to read their ISO like I wanted, too much going on at work today

do you townread creature/labrat, keyser?

AT?

side sarcasm note

Spoiler: spaz

AHHH YOU MADE AN EXCUSE YOU SAID YOU HAVE WORK YOU"RE SO SCUM AHHH YOU SAID YOU ARE BUSY THATS LIEKLY TO COME FROM SCUM THJAN TOWNA

you can ignore this its just me spazzing

I do.

But you know me... winds can change


LabRat would be a good full re-read. To determine: what have they actively discovered this game?

Creature I like, but I wouldn’t be surprised whatever way they flip (this is not me saying they are null).

by "What have the actively discovered this game" do you mean what they've done unique, like, "who've rat pushed?" "what are his reads" etc...?