Open 740: Hope Plus One [Game over]

[davesaz]

I haven't looked closely enough or remember whether things were inevitable at the point DS joined in, or if he led one or both charges.

[davesaz]

Looking solely at the VC's posted by the mod, DS was L-1 on egix but off the final wagon, and the only other prominent wagon place was hammering Gamma.
That's the easy thing to check. Today is a potentially painful day in RL for me, unknown atm if I'll be able to look between the VCs.
On the surface, killing his buds was just a show thing and not real. Which is what I'm referring to when I say MS norms may not apply.

I think it's important to be sure the possibilities are covered. Most likely it's just Reaper but if we're wrong the survivors of tomorrow need something better than lynching me for the loss.

[ReaperOfSouls]

This is a dave v DS question. Lynching me will not answer that. You lynch me and then you still have to decide that question when I flip town.

[ReaperOfSouls]

3. DS**
5. aslightrain Bambietta Basterbine*
6. lucca261 ReaperOfSouls*
7. JaxKazuto ofrhz** Alonzo*
8. davesaz
Bambi, Alonzo cleared by Clemency
Lynch me.
Either Bambi/Alonzo die
It's the remaining choosing between DS and dave.

[DS]

Looking solely at the VC's posted by the mod, DS was L-1 on egix but off the final wagon, and the only other prominent wagon place was hammering Gamma.
That's the easy thing to check. Today is a potentially painful day in RL for me, unknown atm if I'll be able to look between the VCs.
On the surface, killing his buds was just a show thing and not real. Which is what I'm referring to when I say MS norms may not apply.

I think it's important to be sure the possibilities are covered. Most likely it's just Reaper but if we're wrong the survivors of tomorrow need something better than lynching me for the loss.

You're not taking into account the fact that I pulled off the wagon to hammer Egix on day 2 and Egix self voted to disallow me that hammer.

Why would someone's scum partner do that? It makes no sense. A scum partner would have allowed me to hammer for towncred.

[DS]

There's no world here in which I'm scum. As Bambi is saying, pushing on and placing votes on the scum this game at the times I did would have been essentially game throwing in this setup.

[DS]

I came into today thinking it was just Dave and I was right all along, but that quick vote by Reaper gives me hesitation

[Bambietta Basterbine]

I came into today thinking it was just Dave and I was right all along, but that quick vote by Reaper gives me hesitation

See, that's why I'm worried we had it too easy. I just REALLY have to confirm your townie enough to not regret this.

Perhaps my original plan of Gamma-Reaper-Dave was accurate.

[DS]

I came into today thinking it was just Dave and I was right all along, but that quick vote by Reaper gives me hesitation

See, that's why I'm worried we had it too easy. I just REALLY have to confirm your townie enough to not regret this.

Perhaps my original plan of Gamma-Reaper-Dave was accurate.

Personally I still think Gamma-Dave-Reaper is optimal but that's from my POV

[DS]

I think it's important to be sure the possibilities are covered. Most likely it's just Reaper but if we're wrong the survivors of tomorrow need something better than lynching me for the loss.

This just seems like coloring the lynch after a town reaper flip

[davesaz]

There's no world here in which I'm scum. As Bambi is saying, pushing on and placing votes on the scum this game at the times I did would have been essentially game throwing in this setup.

The fact that people think it would be game throwing is what makes it not game throwing. This site's population is captured by the idea that there are certain things that scum can't do, and the collective memory is way too short on the times that they do it against that grain.

It also worries me that you twist what I say. Scum is Reaper. If not Reaper it's you. That's the only possible conclusion from my point of view, other than perhaps to think you're more likely scum than Reaper which I don't.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Either you or DS is scum. We chose you over Gamma. That seems to be a mistake in retrospect. Lynching me won't solve the question. It will get to a choice made by who ever is left between Bambi and Alonzo in LYLO.

[Alonzo]

I will Iso all Involved and get back to you, theres no rush to end today

[DS]

Either you or DS is scum. We chose you over Gamma. That seems to be a mistake in retrospect. Lynching me won't solve the question. It will get to a choice made by who ever is left between Bambi and Alonzo in LYLO.

I also believe that the choice of who Bambi or Alonzo is left alive will actually tell us quite a bit about who is scum

[DS]

I think if we just lynch Dave here though the game is over

[DS]

UNVOTE: Clemency

Removing RVS vote.

what are you hoping to accomplish with this post?

Unvote, Vote Reaper

I'm not liking the Beetlejuice

Yeah if not for the first part of this post I'd be voting volx now.

Just simply unvoting.

But did it achieve anything for you?

Removed a random vote.Nothing of substance. Place marker for myself.
The style of some of players in this game are vastly different than any in the first game I was in here.

This is an interesting little back and forth between Egix and Reaper

[DS]

volxen (7) (LYNCH): bristep123, Bambietta Basterbine, Egix96, davesaz, Gamma Emerald, Almost50, Sleepless Assassin

Right, let's see who's most likely to have bussed volx here:
bristep: I don't really see scum!bristep initiating a wagon on his own buddy here. So I'm willing to lean town on him for now.
Bambi: Claimed to have been peeked green by cop. Not lynching her this Day.
Egix: Oh hey that's me
dave: bristep's reasoning seems solid, I can buy it.
GE: I had him as a town lean D1 but I'm no longer so sure. He claims that he had volx as lock scum based on meta, maybe it was to justify an easy bus vote?
Almost: I have no idea what this guy has been doing all game. I don't believe his doc claim ftr.
Assassin: He's dead.

TLDR: If volxen was bussed, it's probably either dave or GE who did it. But honestly I'd be quite surprised if the wagon was pure since I think volxen was never not getting lynched in the end, scum might as well have bussed him at that point.

I'd have to go back and look at the timing of the votes, but if there's busing going on then it would have to come with your's or Dave's vote on. IMO. Not saying there is.

Reaper, do you still think Dave was bussing?

[ReaperOfSouls]

Unless I have you read wrong. Yes. Ironic they would go back to back...

[DS]

My suspect group is down to Gamma, DS, and Chibibear. Of those the attempted double hammer by DS on Egix96 would seem to move them off. Leaving it between Gamma and Chibi. As I have had Chibi's slot as the scum from beginning that still gives me my lean.

Reaper, here you said that your suspects were me gamma and Chibibear - Now you are saying that you think it is Dave? What has slid Dave into that group?

[DS]

Vote Count 3.1:

ChibiBear (2):

bristep123, ReaperOfSouls

Gamma Emerald (1):

ChibiBear

Not Voting (6):

davesaz, Bambietta Basterbine, Clemency, DS, Gamma Emerald, Alonzo

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-12-22 19:35:00)

8 players left.
Cleared:Clemency, Bambi, Alonzo(if I am leaving someone out please inform, I am trying to get this plant started backup after this winter storm)
Cleared by inference: davesaz
I have a TR on bristep123.
Leaving Chibibear, Gamma, DS, and myself.
I know what my alignment is. But I understand you all can't take me at my word.
Leaving DS, Gamma, and Chibibear.
I prefer to lynch Chibibear. But I will go with town consensus.
We sit at 9 left with one scum. Let's process this and end it with the next lynch if possible. If not let's set it up where we maintain the overwhelming advantage we have. And yes I understand what that could mean.

What does cleared by inference mean?

[DS]

If Chibibear flips town either Gamma or Dave have played well. Just saying.

Oh okay, heres the start of a Dave thought

[DS]

There wasnt much to delve into during that iso tbh

[ReaperOfSouls]

A50 had been protecting. I trusted him. I thought he had something I hadn't seen. Like I said I have the advantage of knowing that I flip town so it falls to the two of you. If it's not you then it has to be him.

[DS]

I think its Dave. You guys all should have just fuckin sheeped me yesterday, im the goat for a reason

VOTE: Dave

[DS]

A50 had been protecting. I trusted him. I thought he had something I hadn't seen. Like I said I have the advantage of knowing that I flip town so it falls to the two of you. If it's not you then it has to be him.

That could be said for all of us