[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Auro]

Auro (L-4)

: Lamees

Lamees (L-4)

: Succinct

Auro, Nako, rb, Egix96, Something_Smart,
Ruby Red

If we lynch Succint today successfully, will you reconsider your scumread on me tomorrow then?

[Lamees]

That's because you said "He's willing to lynch Auro/SS" in your first line when I asked why he's town.
Yes, I'm saying willingness to lynch shouldn't be reason to call someone town; and willingness to lynch a slot you townread definitely shouldn't.

Yeah my bad. Miscommunication. Not a fan of wallposting so I kept it short.

To elaborate on that, him showing willingness to lynch ss and you (one of my scum reads) gives him townie points because it shows he isnt just troll tunneling me, it'll be easy for scum just to have one safe scum read that never gets lynched. Because they wasted the entire game doing nothing.

[Auro]

Oh, okay then. So you meant he wasn't tunnelled purely on my slot, and that's town indicative? Okay, fair; but I think the rest of the evidence points to scum!him.

[Lamees]

If we lynch Succint today successfully, will you reconsider your scumread on me tomorrow then?

Possibly. But 1) I don't think he is scum. Are you expecting 4 players to join you?
2) if he does flip scum, after this kind of post how can see it as anything but bussing?

It's as if you know he'll flip scum and literally asking for town cred for lynching him

[Lamees]

Oh, okay then. So you meant he wasn't tunnelled purely on my slot, and that's town indicative? Okay, fair; but I think the rest of the evidence points to scum!him.

Well he is still tunnelled on my slot. But is willing to vote ss or you. So not super tunnelled. If that makes sense.

[Auro]

1) I'm not counting who'll join and who'll not right now - I'm focused on solving the game and making a strong case, since it's MyLo. RB has Succint in his lynch list so will join me; Egix/Ruby could join me, and you could if I manage to convince you. Nako IDK.

2) Don't take it in bad faith - think about it from my PoV, I'm being painted as a ML and being paired with my own scumreads, so it's important I disband W/W theories. I don't *know* he'll flip scum for sure, but if he does it should objectively give me some towncred, yes - bringing it up shouldn't mean I'm partners with him.

Like I could ask you "which person, if lynched, will make you reconsider your scumread on me", it should have SOME answer, right? Otherwise it's a tunnel, no?

[Auro]

Well he is still tunnelled on my slot. But is willing to vote ss or you. So not super tunnelled. If that makes sense.

It's pretty easy for scum to have a lynchpool of three people where at least two of those are town.
In this case, you and me.

[Lamees]

Well he is still tunnelled on my slot. But is willing to vote ss or you. So not super tunnelled. If that makes sense.

It's pretty easy for scum to have a lynchpool of three people where at least two of those are town.
In this case, you and me.

But he was willing to lynch s_s over malakitty yesterday (going on memory here). The part where you said you could lynch s_s and he said he is gonna sheep you to "call you out on your bluff"? Was the lynch ss or nako? Need to go reread that.

[Lamees]

Can you see why it starts to not really make sense.. which is why I concluded it's you and nako. That at least makes sense.

[Lamees]

Well it makes sense if succinct is town and s_s is scum

[Auro]

Yes, at that point I was scumreading both Malakitty and Something_Smart; I was townreading Nako. AFAIR this happened:

• I said I'd lynch Something_Smart over Nako, when she was at L-1 or something.
  
• Something_Smart shifted the wagon to Malakittens and she got to L-1.
  
• Succint said "Call your bluff, vote Something_Smart now" while Mala was at L-1; I was more strongly scumreading Mala then and I refused.

Thing is, it does make sense for Succint and Something_Smart to be W/W here because Succint tried to start a wagon *hours* before the deadline when Mala was already at L-1, knowing full well Something_Smart wouldn't be lynched that day. It was just an effort to make me look bad. Makes sense?

And even today, as I said before it's to scum advantage to bus because in case scum gets lynched today, it becomes super obvious who else is scum otherwise. So it's easy for him to have a lynchpool of three people with one of them (SS) being scumbuddies.

[Auro]

Think about it. Saying "I call your bluff, vote them or you're scum with them" just a few hours before the deadline with the other person having a stronger scumread at L-1, is setting up that slot. In this case he'd *know* Something_Smart is scum; so if Something_Smart flips I'm easily painted as scum again in this situation.

Get what I'm saying?

[Auro]

Scum!Succint and town!SS is possible in isolation, if both of his scumbuddies are out of danger of being lynched. If that's true then Ruby would probably be my incorrect townread who's scum with him; what do you think?

[Lamees]

So he is saying you're bluffing but you are saying he's bluffing.

[Auro]

If he's scum with SS, yeah. You tell me whether SS could've realistically been lynched when he went all "I call your bluff" and vanity voted SS.

[Lamees]

Is it vanity if he was willing to lynch ss today too. Doesnt that make it more likely that he was serious.

[Auro]

As I said, two town and one scumbuddy in the lynch pool. Do you think that's an unlikely position for scum to take?

[Lamees]

Are you saying he is willing to bus his scum budsy

[Something_Smart]

i would scumread myself, playing pretty lazily.

I don't know what to make of this post in MYLO.

[Lamees]

i would scumread myself, playing pretty lazily.

I don't know what to make of this post in MYLO.

Lol never noticed that. It is pretty bad for mylo

[Auro]

Are you saying he is willing to bus his scum budsy

Of course. I argued this earlier, no? Given many slots are potential lynches, as scum I'd not post an all-town lynchpool since if it happens that scum get lynched, I get towncred from it + if I get lynched, my townreads get cleared. So for scum it makes sense to bus at least one of their buddies; since on the off chance one of them gets lynched the other gets towncred.

Agree?

[Lamees]

Are you saying he is willing to bus his scum budsy

Of course. I argued this earlier, no? Given many slots are potential lynches, as scum I'd not post an all-town lynchpool since if it happens that scum get lynched, I get towncred from it + if I get lynched, my townreads get cleared. So for scum it makes sense to bus at least one of their buddies; since on the off chance one of them gets lynched the other gets towncred.

Agree?

But it can't be a vanity vote if he was willing to lynch the slot, so not a bluff then. And if he was willing to lynch ss today and yesterday then that is more likely town not w/w

[Auro]

But it can't be a vanity vote if he was willing to lynch the slot, so not a bluff then. And if he was willing to lynch ss today and yesterday then that is more likely town not w/w

It was a vanity vote; the only evidence he was willing to lynch it is his word for it. As I said, you go check yourself and temme if that wagon would take off when he placed the vote there.

Empty words.

[Egix96]

everyone: pick your preferred lynch: auro/nako/succinct

Succinct.

You and Succint are both trying to manipulate me into stances; Succint that I vote for S_S despite my stronger scumread on Mala and her being at L-1 at the time, and you that I necessarily have to scumread Nako.

I'm not being stubborn about Nako, I admitted she was in the yellow multiple times and I'm still trying to sort - and I simply don't trust your slot ATM, if that wasn't clear yet. I wanna hear Egix/Red's opinions on her first.

I'm very disappointed that Nako hasn't yet posted anything this Day as far as I can tell... I feel like lynching her right now would be too close to a 50/50 gamble.

[Egix96]

Holy moley, Nako's most recent post was NINE days ago...