[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[rb]

rb (L-3)

: Lamees, Leodanny, Egix96, Something_Smart,
DVa

Lamees (L-4)

: Malakitty, bristep123, Persivul

DVa (L-5)

: NotNova, rb

Leodanny (L-6)

: Thor665

Dunnstral (L-6)

: rb

bristep123 (L-6)

: Dunnstral

Auro

And you're acting like being the only one on Dunn was bad, that's what I don't get

lol are you real

[DVa]

Like NN just came back, Yotte slot just got replaced, and you never directly interact with them about Dunn

Like, why are you not sorting them? You just ask bland general questions to the entire thread like "why isn't anyone joining me on Dunn"

Instead of asking EVERYONE that ask someone specifically for a read on Dunn

If you're trying to understand associations and thought processes you need to actually see reasoning

[rb]

lot of things will come from an L-6 wagon, don't worry!

[DVa]

lol are you real

It's like you're acting like if town doesn't just automatically sheep you that nothing will happen so you need to sheep... what, naked votes?

Why not actually press for reasoning from the slots who basically have said nothing until the last 24 hours?

[rb]

um, have we played mafia together before, i don't think we have

[DVa]

You're acting like there were really stable, well-developed wagons with clearly articulated reads

[rb]

lol are you real

Why not actually press for reasoning from the slots who basically have said nothing until the last 24 hours?

'ask the people who don't talk what they think'

[DVa]

um, have we played mafia together before, i don't think we have

why would this matter

[rb]

You're acting like there were really stable, well-developed wagons with clearly articulated reads

ah yes, and the solution to not having these is to sit as the lone voter on a wagon instead of joining another wagon you also think is on scum, to make it more stable

you're a genius

[DVa]

'ask the people who don't talk what they think'

YES

Do you not fucking get that?

GET THEM

TO TALK

Saying "I'm voting you because you're talking" is the stupidest fucking thing I think I've seen all day

[DVa]

Every time you switch off a lurker to push someone who is talking *only because they are talking* you give the lurkers REASON to lurk

This game is basically unreadable because NO ONE IS EXPLAINING JACK SHIT in their reads, and that is because the lurkers are giving a hard pass for NO REASON

[rb]

um, have we played mafia together before, i don't think we have

why would this matter

you seem to be expecting me to do things that i've never done in a mafia game ever, like ask lurker slots for their opinions and wait 4 days for an answer

i actually don't have that much of a problem sorting lurker slots. e.g. i think mala is town, notnova is town enough to live for day 1

i'm much more concerned with where people vote than asking pointless questions.

then again, it's probably hard for you to understand that because you're scum

[DVa]

k eat rope

[rb]

Every time you switch off a lurker to push someone who is talking *only because they are talking* you give the lurkers REASON to lurk

This game is basically unreadable because NO ONE IS EXPLAINING JACK SHIT in their reads, and that is because the lurkers are giving a hard pass for NO REASON

maybe you're just bad at getting reads then

because mala has down a lot more alignment indicative stuff in 1/5th of dunnstral's posts, when dunnstral is more than capable of actually doing things as town. i don't really have that much issue reading any of the low activity slots in the game currently

[DVa]

Dunn is also capable of doing things as scum

In fact I would say Dunn 'does stuff' more as scum than he does as town sometimes, although it also depends on the playerlist, which is precisely why seeing him interact with other people might be productive.

If you think Dunn just defaults to scum because he is not super active then you're vastly underestimating his scum range. I don't think a push there is unwarranted but you're basically saying that he's scummy for little content when slots like Mala that as far as I can tell have exclusively pushed wagons on town and done 0 sorting are town

and is bristep readable to you?

[rb]

'ask the people who don't talk what they think'

YES

Do you not fucking get that?

GET THEM

TO TALK

Saying "I'm voting you because you're talking" is the stupidest fucking thing I think I've seen all day

okay, there's no way you're actually that fucking stupid

it doesn't provide any pressure for me to sit on dunnstral if no one is going to join the wagon

switching to the wagon of another scumread because they're likely to interact is much better for the gamestate

and to that point - hey look, we just had a whole lot of interactions, and why? wow because i switched votes!

dunnstral wasn't talking and likely wouldn't have, but you did and if i get lynched today - absolutely lynch DVa tomorrow, no questions asked. 100% fucking scum

[rb]

Dunn is also capable of doing things as scum

In fact I would say Dunn 'does stuff' more as scum than he does as town sometimes, although it also depends on the playerlist, which is precisely why seeing him interact with other people might be productive.

If you think Dunn just defaults to scum because he is not super active then you're vastly underestimating his scum range. I don't think a push there is unwarranted but you're basically saying that he's scummy for little content when slots like Mala that as far as I can tell have exclusively pushed wagons on town and done 0 sorting are town

and is bristep readable to you?

bristep obvtown

[rb]

mala also obvtown

[DVa]

it doesn't provide any pressure for me to sit on dunnstral if no one is going to join the wagon

switching to the wagon of another scumread because they're likely to interact is much better for the gamestate

and to that point - hey look, we just had a whole lot of interactions, and why? wow because i switched votes!

yeah and if you're town then this is TvT and all you've done is made me annoyed at you to the point that your will have a harder time reading me because you have lost your credibility

You are acting like no one was ever going to join on Dunn. Maybe you could have explained your reasoning more, asked for other people to give reads on the slot, etc. etc.

But switching to a player I know is town right after a null lurker slot comes out of the woodwork and votes me looks opportunistic and damages my read of you

it also makes it seem like you are uninterested in genuinely sorting Dunn

[rb]

you seem to take something i say, then interpret it in the absolute worst way fucking possible for some reason. i'm trying to not smash my head on my desk over and over, by keeping in mind that you are, really fucking obvious scum right now, but it's hard

just because i think dunn can do stuff as town, doesn't mean i'm not aware he can do stuff as scum too. the problem is, he's not doing stuff _at all_ - nothing that he's doing is alignment indicative, he's just taking potshots about mechanics and unimportant stuff from the sideline. in fact if you have such a problem with dunn, why are YOU not voting him with me?

you're basically complaining about me voting dunnstral, when you agree he should have votes on him, but you're upset that i moved to your wagon instead. nothing that you're saying even looks town, because you don't really give a shit about reads it seems, you're just conveniently getting on current the biggest wagon in the game and pretending it's not OMGUS

[DVa]

mala also obvtown

You've said this multiple times and reads like nonsense every time

WHY?

I don't even know she's scum but I don't see why you're pretending she's easily readable here

[rb]

it doesn't provide any pressure for me to sit on dunnstral if no one is going to join the wagon

switching to the wagon of another scumread because they're likely to interact is much better for the gamestate

and to that point - hey look, we just had a whole lot of interactions, and why? wow because i switched votes!

yeah and if you're town then this is TvT and all you've done is made me annoyed at you to the point that your will have a harder time reading me because you have lost your credibility

You are acting like no one was ever going to join on Dunn. Maybe you could have explained your reasoning more, asked for other people to give reads on the slot, etc. etc.

But switching to a player I know is town right after a null lurker slot comes out of the woodwork and votes me looks opportunistic and damages my read of you

it also makes it seem like you are uninterested in genuinely sorting Dunn

this is dumb as fuck

[DVa]

Vote me for activity then you are basically saying you're trying to piss me off, so yeah, I'm going to see your other reasoning in a negative light.

Don't want to be seen in a negative light? Give me the sense you're actually trying to sort people and not just throwing out bullshit, unsupported reads

[rb]

WHERE THE FUCK DID I SAY I WAS VOTING YOU FOR ACTIVITY

[DVa]

in fact if you have such a problem with dunn, why are YOU not voting him with me?

What if I was actually considering that before your completely shit vote on me?