Open 744 - Lovers and Losers [endgame]

[Michael Scott]

I’m so sorry Michael lmfao

Well like you said yourself, one of the town lover pairs was scum, and the other pair just flat out refused to work with us. And with you being the VT scum to boot, this was an extreme uphill battle for town to win. Good job though, you definitely earned your scum win here.

Auro and I honestly thought though that town!Clemency would be more likely to listen to us, which is why we thought {Clemency, Muh} was more likely to be scum than {Bambi, Egix/Ruby}. Bambi's treatment towards our slot is in align with Bambi's town-meta, but Clemency's treatment towards our slot is definitely not in line with his town-meta, in my opinion. I was scum in Open 740 (Hope Plus one), and I played against both town!Bambi and town!Clemency in that game. Bambi's play here was similar to her town play in Open 740; I felt like the Clemency in this game was a completely different person compared to the town!Clemency from Open 740. That contributed a lot towards my scumread of Clemency over Bambi. Auro didn't play Open 740, but I believe he is at least somewhat familiar with both Bambi's and Clemency's meta, which is why he also thought Clemency was more likely to be scum compared to Bambi.

But all of that aside, I firmly believed in the strategy of lynching within the VT pool, but unfortunately I chose the wrong VT to put my trust in.

[Michael Scott]

^ The above post was written by Volxen

[LolWagons]

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Its mostly me lamenting having to deceive the MS slot because I’d be super happy to play with them as town

[Michael Scott]

I consent to our {Michael Scott, Mcqueen} PT being released as well.

[LolWagons]

Fwiw town me would have lynched Dong there every time. I didn’t really have to pretend.

[Bambi Jay]

I thought shitting on both my "lover" Egi as well as Lolwagon really helped you never think of the possibility that me/ruby and Lol was the scum team.

Besides, I went off the logic that you did. "Scum lovers wouldn't be arguing, they'd be like meh and Clem and be in sync".

[LolWagons]

Good game though.

I feel like 25% is a sweet spot for the scum ratio in games.

Once you approach 33% town just can’t ever get organized.

[Michael Scott]

Honestly, if Lolwagons were town in this game, I think town would have had a really good chance of winning against any scumteam combination of {Bambi, Ruby, Overkill}, {Bambi, Ruby, Dong}, {Clemency, Muh, Overkill}, or {Clemency, Muh, Dong}.

But the combination of Clemency completely ignoring us and refusing to listen us AND our strongest townread (LolWagons) being scum was too much.

[Michael Scott]

^ The above post was written by Volxen

[Elsa Jay]

Wow Bambi you won your first "official" game. I'm so proud of you little sis.

[LolWagons]

I can usually drive home D1 scum lynches as town, which is all it would have taken in this setup. Wasn’t lying about that piece of my town meta.

So yeah, I think both your slot and me being town would have ended a lot different,

[Bambi Jay]

Dang it you Thot leave me be. I wanna play mafia in peace.

[LolWagons]

I think this setup just needs to burn forever. It deserves to be a blitz game not a setup that you spend three weeks on.

I can’t even think of a way to balance it out.

[Bambi Jay]

I consent to our {Michael Scott, Mcqueen} PT being released as well.

I really wanma see this thing. Where's the link?

I kinda want to see how I got townread for being the most obvious scum in the world, especially considering I started pushing you and Clem only followed.

[Ruby Red]

One Creature or other such unambiguous obvtown literally breaks this game for town

don't mean to crush the setup maker's dreams but i agree with wagons

[Bambi Jay]

Yeah if I was doing optimization, I was killing the suspicious Michael slot as well as the lurker Mcqueen, THEN I also cleared Lolwagon of being scum, and finally I'd have killed Clem to win it for town.

Of course, that was if I was actually a townlover in that scenario.

[Donempire]

Lol gg
Its over at least

[Bambi Jay]

Dong, you realize this could have been avoided if... You know... You out in more effort? Or maybe had someone besides McQueen as Michael's partner?

You gave up and nobody even minded when I hammered you. That's jot a good thing.

[yessiree]

GGs to all. Mafia played well and stayed coordinated. I thought town lacked a protown voice, which would have really helped.

This was an experimental run to see if a 3 member mafia lovers setup can be ran as a micro open. Evidently it can’t. The search for longevity in lovers setup continues... or perhaps the genre fits more natually in blitz

Anyway, thanks for playing everyone. This game couldn’t have had worse timing for me. A series of events led to me starting the game while my flight was literally on the runway about to take off. Ive been modding this game on my phone ever since (glad thats over and done with)

[Michael Scott]

Clem is town?!

[Michael Scott]

I thought town lacked a protown voice, which would have really helped.

But... Me

[Ruby Red]

hard to be a protown voice when only scum is listening

[Bambi Jay]

I thought town lacked a protown voice, which would have really helped.

But... Me

You had 2 lovers aiming for your head. I think making the lovers claim actually fucked you over more.

[Michael Scott]

Clem was a horrible town player this game IMO, any indication of gamesolving instead of just shouting over and over would've made me re-assess. Scum *fully* deserved this win.

Although, scum did take a convoluted route here. Lolwagons, you could've bought in to my "I'm the best lynch" theory and lynched me long ago, Clem would've been rekt in a 1v1 anyway. The game was lost when one lover team was derp and one was playing bad, and I incorrectly read which was which.

[Bambi Jay]

Hey, I was literally fighting Lolwagon tooth and nail and Egi Appearantly tipped you off of something. Even taking the convoluted route is "optimal because of the circumstances".