Open 746: Bus Service [Game Over]

[mcqueen]

@Mod: Can we have an updated VC, please?

[Akarin]

mcqueen, what's your case on Alonzo?

meta from a Newbie game we played together

What's the meta? It must be a pretty strong read.

[BuJaber]

Eyes I don't understand why you're saying you're happy to be lynched today. Nobody brought that up.

You seem to be trying hard to not be townread. Help us sort the game nobody wants to lynch a townie which is what I believe you are

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Lovebird

Alonzo

This was shortly after lovebird made the first RoS vote. Can you elaborate on what was going on here?

FMPOV at that time RoS was playing a pretty towny game. When I read the game through some of Lovebirds reads seemed very thin and they seemed to be in the ascendancy so I voted as a reaction test, and to try to bring RoS out of his shell. It was a decision made in the moment.
RL got in the way hard between my entry and EoD when I finally caught up again, only to find RoS wagon strong, and RoS shaky then AWOL.

No one seemed to share my feelings about Lovebird, but I do think my vote rocked them a bit.

[Alonzo]

mcqueen, what's your case on Alonzo?

meta from a Newbie game we played together

What's the meta? It must be a pretty strong read.

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77801

This was the game, but the similarities are hard to imagine just now.

2sw townread me here so I get the uberlyparanoid reaction...

[mutantdevle]

Votecount: 2.1

(2)

Clemency voted by:

BuJaber, Sashaddin.

(2)

Flubbernugget voted by:

Alonzo, Akarin.

(1)

Alonzo voted by:

Flubbernugget.

(1)

Firebringer voted by:

Eyes without a face.

(5)

Not voting:

Lovebird, rb, Clemency, Firebringer, mcqueen.

With 11 players alive, 6 votes are needed for a lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2019-02-24 18:00:00).

Sorry that I've not been able to check this thread for a while.

[Clemency]

whoah second prod
i really dont have much to say about this game atm

[Eyes without a face]

Eyes I don't understand why you're saying you're happy to be lynched today. Nobody brought that up.

I explained it in the same post. My reads are obviously bad as the team I thought of can't be a team together, and I have no real strong reads or leads.

[Flubbernugget]

And yet Flubber is town because that was a counterwagon to a town wagon that actually had some votes on it.

Are you saying RoS was a counterwagon to me?

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: clemency

Realizing he would have been the lynch were it not for the RoS flash compromise

[Akarin]

Are you saying RoS was a counterwagon to me?

I'm pointing out BuJaber's moon logic. BuJaber is townreading you because you were Wagon B and Wagon A flipped town. This is nuts.

At the same time he was

so

convinced of scum-Clemency and town-Flubber that he was happy to let it no lynch over that despite knowing he'd never get Clemency lynched.

[Sashaddin]

Are you saying RoS was a counterwagon to me?

I saw it that way too. As Akarin said, we probably can't deduce anything from the lynch concerning you.
In retrospect, lynching RoS was really bad but who could have guessed he was important. I looked and didn't see a crumb.

What's your opinion on Firebringer?

[Firebringer]

I have no opinion on firebringer. he hasn't really done anything.

[Sashaddin]

I have no opinion on firebringer. he hasn't really done anything.

That includes Elliot. I should have been more specific.

[Firebringer]

I haven't read anything from Elliot to inform my opinion or lack therof.
I was only engaged to review the posts made by Firebringer and that has led me to issue a disclaimer of opinion on the Posts for lack of content to which can be relied upon for alignment purposes.

[Eyes without a face]

I have no opinion on firebringer. he hasn't really done anything.

Why aren't more people voting this nice person?

[BuJaber]

Okay it's possible I switched akarin and rb's alignments

For now dropping rb to secondary choice.

I have no idea how anyone could townread clemency but rb seems to townread him for some reason so he defended him.

Akarin on the other hand doesn't directly defend clemency and show he's town, instead he attacks my logic. It's a two-pronged attack, protect clemency and try to reduce my influence.

Alonzo is possibly their 3rd partner for not really being as engaged as I would expect town!alonzo to be and also fot trying to shade lovebird, who apart from a few votes on him early on, is somewhat widely townread.

My updated scum team prediction is {clem, akarin, alonzo}

[Firebringer]

I have no opinion on firebringer. he hasn't really done anything.

Why aren't more people voting this nice person?

Well to be perfectly honest here friendo.

I went through you reasoning for voting my slot. Since we both agree that I have done nothing, you are voting me for my previous occupant of this slot.

Now as a person who I believe is analytical, I would think your reasoning had a lot of weight to have this strong read on my slot. What I found was just not much I am afraid.

You can correct me if I am wrong about this, because I did go through your posts but maybe you didn't post the full reasoning or didn't explain it completely in-depth. You scum-read Eliot for wanting to push a wagon on you without a real scumread on you. This was scum motivated because I believe you would say you are town and the reasoning for the push was non-existent.

Now, this is where I find weird. Because this happened so early in the game, I find any reasoning to think that Eliots push on you meant much of anything. I think your right that the push for a wagon on you holds like zero weight, but I don't come to the conclusion you did that it was scum-motivated (well obviously I am in the slot), because I think early game wagons are generally for getting thoughts on players and many people push things they don't really believe in just to get thoughts on peoples interactions around them. This was one of those to push on a wagon that I thought was nothing more then to 'get the ball going'.

Now you might disagree and I would like to think there is more to discuss there, but I don't think so. Theres probably a lot more happening in this game that is worth discussing and far more ripe for analysis than my slot. So I wonder why do you push this so much when I am not sure the foundation is as strong as you make it out to be?

That makes me go into a few thoughts:
A) You are pushing me in order to see my reactions to it or get me to do something. Maybe.
B) You have to be doing something because like gotta fake scumhunt. Possibly
C) You believe you are actually onto something here. Seems unlikely.

[Firebringer]

Btw, my confusion is because Firebringer was/is my strongest SR, followed by Akarin & Flubber. I ended up voting Flubber because he was the only one of the 3 viable yesterday. However, both Akarin & FB were on Flubber too, so it doesn't look like the 3 of them are all scum together.

P-edit:

VOTE: Firebringer

Like lets go through this thought process mate. I don't understand it.
First of, why did you put "was/is" if I am? Not sure on that.

Plus, this doesn't seem to include my actual post where I told you that I was deliberately trying to screw with you by voting Flubber. So I find the notion that you don't think we could be scum together strange because even if you think I just trolled you, I still think you put that into some consideration on that I could still be scum with Flubber since I was doing an act to screw with your brain.

I think I understand kind simple thought that "Ohh why would two allies vote their ally over another a townie" but I don't think I agree with it or think that should change your independent reads, though your doing some association hunting it seems weird not to consider my post of trying to freak you out. Actually I think I am just annoyed my post didn't impact you like I wanted.

[Firebringer]

I feel 40% confident right now that this is Flubbernuggets scum game here.
I say this even though I know my read accuracy with him is probably relatively low.

Theres a few things I look for in his posts. I am not seeing the things I want to see.
And Flubber this post is a test and I expect a certain response.

[Firebringer]

Well I just went through past games of Flubbernugget.
I decided to see how well I could predict his role without notifying myself in advance of what he was.

Did a 3 game observation:
2 games he was town. 1 game he was scum.
I correctly got 3/3 for all of them.

Maybe I am better than I thought. GG no re.

The scum one was a bit harder and I waffled to a weak scum lean on it. So that might mean I am onto something here.

[Firebringer]

I need to find more scum games. I am at 4/4 of predictions of alignment with Flubber past games I never read before.
3 town games. 1 scum game. I don't feel as confident with his scum game but I don't feel it here at all given what I know.

Theres things that are present in the town games. Its just not here and I am unsure how to quantify it to something that would be worthy of explanation. Certain though processes, posts, and even general feel.

I want to see Flubbers reaction to all this. It will iinform me so much more than what I am doing right now I think.

[Firebringer]

And Flubber this post is a test and I expect a certain response.

I have a post prepared for your response. Curious how close to accurate it is.

[Flubbernugget]

I think my first analysis in this game that I have any sort of confidence in is wrt to the RoS wagon, and there are a lot of issues with it. Mainly that i can't shake town reads off its main perpetrators. That's not much to go off of w/ a town read, but I'm more likely to case players as scum than approach a game in this manner.

[Flubbernugget]

It's also frustrating that now I am more "in" the game than before, but the activity level is dead.