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In post 524, Clemency wrote:yeah
which is why i find it weird to look towards the end of the wagon rather than the start

Well there's 3 scum.
I'm town not on the wagon. TT flipped town. Reaper was on flubber.

That leaves 3 scum in the remaining 10. 6 of those 10 of those 10 + TT were on the RoS wagon.

I'd say there's a good chance there were 2 on RoS wagon and 1 on flubber wagon (if flubber is indeed town like I suspect).

Why do I think it's more likely to find scum on the tail end (if not both ends of the wagon), is because it's easier to camouflage as town, because there literally were town votes hurrying to join the wagon before deadline.

I could probably lynch half of the players in this game with no regrets

In post 526, Eyes without a face wrote:I could probably lynch half of the players in this game with no regrets

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Lets hope you're town then.

Who did you vote D1?

hmm Flubber..

I cant really argue with that just now.

In post 517, Alonzo wrote:I feel dumb, I thought RoS would return before end of day, and we could all relocate to flubber.

How long between clems vote and the d1 clock running out?

Was it done to prevent a no lynch?

My vote was to prevent no lynch, and it was a lot earlier than the other ones

VOTE: alonzo

Until I can reread d1

Lay it on thick.

Daddies Hungry.

why would scum rush to not have a nolynch

by the logic that they're trying to camoflauge why would they not just split votes among different wagons and flake about (like half the game did)

all i can see is that your read hasn't actually changed since rvs, and anyone who disagrees with you is also likely scum. that's...ridiculous, and it's hard to take your reads seriously when you put me as scum and call that the team when i'm town, and you're scumreading one of my townreads as well

i've got a killer headache so i'm gonna lie down

In post 532, rb wrote:why would scum rush to not have a nolynch

by the logic that they're trying to camoflauge why would they not just split votes among different wagons and flake about (like half the game did)

all i can see is that your read hasn't actually changed since rvs, and anyone who disagrees with you is also likely scum. that's...ridiculous, and it's hard to take your reads seriously when you put me as scum and call that the team when i'm town, and you're scumreading one of my townreads as well

i've got a killer headache so i'm gonna lie down

Why would scum want to flake out and no lynch when the leading wagon is on town. They can get it hammered without looking any different from the townies that are avoiding the no lynch.

As for you I think we've played once before and I don't really remember your game. You are well-known and have been around for a little bit and should be czpable of giving reasons and talking us through your reads instead of blanket "x is town", "y is scum", "oh no my townreads are voting a townread".

What's worse is you townread clemency who's ISO is less useful than a bottle of water. Unlike RoS who was not playing at all, clemency was here and posting but posting 0 content.

You also aren't reading the game properly. I am not scumreading everyone that disagrees with me. Lovebird disagreed with me day 1. Akarin has been tunnelling me and I've been townreading her based on the exchange with eyes.

Even the bus joke. You csn ignore it and I still have a solid case on clemency, but I think the joke is a valid reason to scumread him. I know that joke claims are NAI in a vacuum (note that it's because town also do it not because it isn't a scummy action), but this game is open, and two people have made the same joke and I believe two people of the same alignment just don't make the same joke. Townies joke for fun and it's boring to repeat jokes. Scum joke to appear relaxed and like they don't know how to begin. Clem copied flubber. If you have a previous game where this has happened and two townies have made the same joke in rvs then I won't mention this again, I'll just lynch clemency for the lack of content and being a counterwagon to flipped town.

In post 533, BuJaber wrote:Townies joke for fun and it's boring to repeat jokes. Scum joke to appear relaxed and like they don't know how to begin.

Clem copied flubber.

this whole sequence stands out to me as something i'd say as town so whatever - but what i do wonder is why you exclude the possibility that scum flubber says it and town clem thinks it's funny, or that they're just..both town

i can't really understand why that's so unreasonable because town are dumb and i tend to look a lot more at what players don't do than whether or not they're dumb, because dumb just isn't AI (unfortunately)

also i think you're probably overrating how experienced i am or whether or not i actually do make all that many cogent and explanatory posts

i really don't have a good ability to lay out my thought processes and exact reasonings for things, because i play off a combination of gut and contextual clues. i can't really say that i've ever looked at a game like "blah did X and Y which therefore likely means possibility A because town like to X and scum like to Z and he did X not Z" bladibla

i just look at stuff and ask myself, "do they feel like town or scum and what are they NOT doing?"

that's about it really. i just try to push the game towards the ends i want with sheer force of will

Pg 8

Yikes, I didnt realize how bad the RoS wagon actually was

In post 535, rb wrote:i really don't have a good ability to lay out my thought processes and exact reasonings for things, because i play off a combination of gut and contextual clues. i can't really say that i've ever looked at a game like "blah did X and Y which therefore likely means possibility A because town like to X and scum like to Z and he did X not Z" bladibla

Then what was 532

Honestly, I don't mind getting lynched today. I have no idea what's going on and my reads aren't close to any of you meaning that I can't push for my preferred lynches, so I'll be a sheep and if Vlem flips town I'd be mislynchable in a more critical stage of the game.

VOTE: Firebringer[/b]

This is where I want to lynch today

Btw, my confusion is because Firebringer was/is my strongest SR, followed by Akarin & Flubber. I ended up voting Flubber because he was the only one of the 3 viable yesterday. However, both Akarin & FB were on Flubber too, so it doesn't look like the 3 of them are all scum together.

P-edit:

VOTE: Firebringer

I had the Elliot slot as scummy. As Firebringer, a bit less, but it's still a good choice imo. If Clemency's doesn't pick up I'll gladly switch over.
I'll keep my third suspect to myself for now. I think I may have an association of some kind....

So no one is going to touch this bit of logic, but if I bring it up I'm tunneling?

In post 521, BuJaber wrote:Vanity wagon my ass that's just a fancy word people like to throw around.

1 vote is power.

I could see the signs. I die trying to do what I think is right.

Independents run for office not because they think they can win, but because they want to do what they think is right.

And yet Flubber is town because that was a counterwagon to a town wagon that actually had some votes on it.

In post 518, BuJaber wrote: Clemency I think was the true counterwagon to a town lynch.

Purely as a counterwagon flubber could be either town or scum. But I think odds are it's town, if we assume scum wanted to capitalize on the impending deadline. To them it didn't matter which townie gets lynched that late in the day, they just wanted to make sure they had control over it. If I wanted to maximize the chances that I protect all my buddies I would want to create two competing town wagons so that either of them getting lynched is good for me.

Does this still count as tunneling?

mcqueen, what's your case on Alonzo?

Okay i gave up on a full reread.

RoS wagon was because of the reads list + the stale rvs vote + dl compromise. Fill me in if you think i missed something important pls

I want to look at the wagon composition next.

In post 320, Alonzo wrote:VOTE: Lovebird

Alonzo

This was shortly after lovebird made the first RoS vote. Can you elaborate on what was going on here?

The two big pushes for RoS were lovebird and rb

I kinda think theyre both townie (though rb less than lovebird)

In post 545, Akarin wrote:mcqueen, what's your case on Alonzo?

meta from a Newbie game we played together