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Post Post #275  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:12 pm

I know I said I'd be reading today, but I woke up with a stomach bug, and I'll leave it at that. I'll be active for reals tomorrow, pinkie promise.
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Post Post #276  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:40 pm

In post 274, GuiltyLion wrote:this game should not be this slow on D1 with this many people

Yeah. Doesn't help that a quarter of the playerlist haven't even posted.
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Post Post #277  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:48 pm

I'm not hearing any compelling cases going on. Even from the 4 headed Hydra. You'd think with everything that's happened, we'd be chatting and figuring out the game.

Still here if someone wants to convince me they have a better strategy day 1 then what I've proposed.
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Post Post #278  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:49 pm

hey Clem were you joking when you said we were scum with bambi
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Post Post #279  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:49 pm

hi bambi
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Post Post #280  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:49 pm

In post 277, Bambi Jay wrote:I'm not hearing any compelling cases going on. Even from the 4 headed Hydra. You'd think with everything that's happened, we'd be chatting and figuring out the game.

Still here if someone wants to convince me they have a better strategy day 1 then what I've proposed.

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Post Post #281  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:52 pm

hey can people who haven’t posted post because it’s pretty sad when the largest content I was able to produce was asking if an obvious shitpost was a shitpost
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Post Post #282  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:53 pm

you all could vote Clem, just throwing that idea out there
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Post Post #283  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:01 pm

okay
VOTE: clem
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Post Post #284  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:10 pm

controversial opinion time: the game is dead because most of you tried to replace RVS with pre-game antics, which isn't reliable and shouldn't be the basis for reads

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Post Post #285  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:40 pm

Well first of all: I did it to not let it happen in later more important days. Secondly, I jumpstarted an idea since day 1 is a day with no actual information to start with. There's a decent amount of blind luck the hydra rolled scum and it also gets rid of a troublesome slot to sort later on where it is indeed possible for there to be 5 town and 5 scum tommorow.

Applejack sure as heck hasn't won my favor despite me shutting up mostly to let them prove themselves.
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Post Post #286  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:42 am

In post 284, mcqueen wrote:controversial opinion time: the game is dead because most of you tried to replace RVS with pre-game antics, which isn't reliable and shouldn't be the basis for reads



It's not like role PMs will change

People be postin, town should be sortin.

Is the case on clem that he said "both are scum"?
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Post Post #287  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:31 am

In post 278, ajfefijsleifjsa wrote:hey Clem were you joking when you said we were scum with bambi

clearly
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Post Post #288  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:22 am

In post 235, Clemency wrote:like seriously i could see them deciding to bus one-another


this is also meant to be "clearly" a joke post?
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Post Post #289  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:26 am

In post 286, BuJaber wrote:Is the case on clem that he said "both are scum"?


I would say it's a bit more than that, yeah "both are scum" was an empty shit post but it's emblematic of the larger pattern of him being active and posting in the thread but not actually doing anything at all to sort or pressure anybody. no reason to townread that and in a game like this with more scum than normal he's a good vote/wagon
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Post Post #290  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:29 am

In post 284, mcqueen wrote:controversial opinion time: the game is dead because most of you tried to replace RVS with pre-game antics, which isn't reliable and shouldn't be the basis for reads


nah, it's simpler than that

a few players haven't posted and need to be replaced + scum don't have incentive to solve and don't generally want to post and take the lead, there's more scum than normal therefore there's more lurking than normal
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Post Post #291  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:40 am

In post 290, GuiltyLion wrote:scum don't have incentive to solve

Not necessarily. The Mafia/Werewolves still need to figure out who the Werewolves/Mafia are in order to win.
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Post Post #292  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:33 am

In post 285, Bambi Jay wrote:Well first of all: I did it to not let it happen in later more important days. Secondly, I jumpstarted an idea since day 1 is a day with no actual information to start with. There's a decent amount of blind luck the hydra rolled scum and it also gets rid of a troublesome slot to sort later on where it is indeed possible for there to be 5 town and 5 scum tommorow.

Applejack sure as heck hasn't won my favor despite me shutting up mostly to let them prove themselves.

just to let you know, I didn’t read the pre-game, nor do I intend to. There’s blind luck that everybody could’ve rolled scum.

Do you actually want to play, or are you going to tunnel a hydra because they’re annoying?

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Post Post #293  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:34 am

In post 286, BuJaber wrote:
In post 284, mcqueen wrote:controversial opinion time: the game is dead because most of you tried to replace RVS with pre-game antics, which isn't reliable and shouldn't be the basis for reads



It's not like role PMs will change

People be postin, town should be sortin.

Is the case on clem that he said "both are scum"?

you can post scummy things during pre-game and expect not to get pushed for it. yeah, I’m sure there’s some accuracy, but I’d rather not focus on events that occured before the game started. Pre-game is for shits and giggles

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Post Post #294  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:38 am

mcqueen is there a clear delineation in your mind of where pregame ended and where the game started? Where did you start reading?

I assumed there was some motivation behind your clemency vote based on stuff he had posted (including pregame), was that wrong?
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Post Post #295  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:22 pm

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Post Post #296  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:23 pm

Hello! :D

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Post Post #297  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:35 pm

In post 32, Bambi Jay wrote:What you call a "Policy Lynch" is actually a strategic pre-emptive strike against a (set of) player(s) dealt a strong hand if they make it past today, which hold more power then they should in a game with this many scum.

On the flipside, I think a 4-headed hydra can also be easier to read - faking dissonance as scum is easier said than done, and you have the ability to interact with all 4 different heads. I have a feeling you're going by your experience playing alongside my TGW hydra in Lynchpin, is that correct? I think it took quite some effort to stay townread there, and from a very very loose read of the early pages it seems like the hydra is kinda freewheeling here.

The "50%" argument applies for any slot in the game, I don't think it should be justified towards settling on a deathtunnel. If both of you are town, you'd make this pretty easy for scum. I'll read up if there's any... actual case made on the slot in later pages.
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Post Post #298  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:58 pm

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Post Post #299  (ISO)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:58 pm

In post 194, ajfefijsleifjsa wrote:
In post 193, Bambi Jay wrote:By not spamming the thread, for one.

activity is nai

In post 196, GuiltyLion wrote:Activity may be NAI but spamming the thread with this worthless unusable garbage is certainly anti town behavior. I want other people to give reads on this situation and both of you to chill out.

Agree with Hobbes here; the amount of low-quality spam is horrifying. Blaming someone else for "90% of the posts" and refusing to sign is also pretty bad. Of the heads I'm most interested in Allomancer, I'd like him specifically to sign his posts at least.

On the other hand, I don't feel that hydras go all-out spam this early when they're being pressured and are aware that they'd look scummy for it. Clogging the thread intentionally to prevent town from working isn't something I see this slot doing. Very mild townlean on the slot.

I don't find the analysis in convincing for the slot to warrant scumreads - defensiveness should not be really AI, and it seems pretty clear there's some emotion mixed in with their "logic".

In post 100, GuiltyLion wrote:it's pretty obviously 50/50 from their hypothetical town!POV, this question serves no purpose other than to again discredit. Yes to a townie Bambi is not confirmed town, but obviously she's going to present as town regardless of her alignment. that's not something AI or worth posting about.

Didn't like this part of the analysis. Bambi's presenting as town regardless of alignment, *sure* - but Bambi was trying to sell the idea that lynching 4heads was okay because 50-50, and it's not unreasonable for 4heads to point out that that argument doesn't hold for other slots.
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