Open 755: Two-Fold C9++ (GAME OVER)

[rosterfoster]

Elephant, I would have crumbed if Chenn was town, instead of claiming it outright. But he’s not so it is kind of a moot point.

Do you understand what I think happened last night?

[Irrelephant11]

yes, I do.
The fact that your first thought was "if I had a result on chenn, I'd crumb it" and when you explain it you say "well that would be if chenn was town" it makes me feel like you don't believe chenn is town
if you really had a guilty on chenn I don't think you say anything about crumbing a result
If you're town, sorry! You've lost my confidence in that completely.

I'm still willing to entertain your reads and thoughts, though, because even if you're scum you have opposing scum

[Irrelephant11]

you don't believe chenn is town

chenn is SCUM*

[rosterfoster]

You mentioned crumbing first. That’s why I talked about it.

[rosterfoster]

Do you think town me just ignores your question when I’m trying to convince you?

[rosterfoster]

Elephant I need to convince you that I’m town so that’s what I’m putting my energy into rn. I’ll look for Chenn associatives later. A mislynch today is a complete disaster for town.

[rosterfoster]

And I completely believe that you are town here.

[Irrelephant11]

why are you certain that I'm town?
why is *my* believing you the most important?

no, a mislynch today is not a disaster for town. scum will be incentivized to crosskill if town dies today.

[Irrelephant11]

Ultimately roster I need you to recognize that you're dying this gameday and that the most useful thing you can do regardless of your alignment is find scum

[rosterfoster]

Yes we thought that in Jungle republic. Problem is that scum are quite often wrong about who the other scum is so miss when they cross-kill.

For the reasons I mentioned when I townread you initially, and also the fact that you’re willing to talk to me, when I think scum (of both colours) leave me alone.

This is perhaps something point to Pers scum actually.

Pedit: I really want to fight out of this, because we are almost certainly going to lose the game of I die today.

[rosterfoster]

Why do you think it’s unlikely that Chenn rolecopped me and took my role? It’s an entirely logical thing for him to do.

[Irrelephant11]

iirc town has a lot less potential night power in jungle republic than in this setup, which is the other reason this situation is less worrying than that one

Let me say this differently: your attempts to convince me you're town by claim alone have gone out the window based on multiple factors I've already named; if you would like to convince me you're town, you should sort the rest of the playerlist. This is how you can convince me you are town.

pedit: I don't think it's entirely unlikely. I just think it's less likely than him true claiming. In both scenarios, your reaction (ought to be, if you're any good at scum) = the same. That leaves me with one thing to evaluate: is it more likely that he's true claiming, or fake claiming? I find the former more likely, because it is.

If you're town, sorry, you're stuck in the more-unlikely basically-unwinnable 1v1 scenario. If you're scum, lol

[rosterfoster]

Jungle republic we had the Seer get 3 checks but it was still too much to lose another town (we NL’d so the Seer could get another check. I believed this was the wrong play but I was pushing it because it helped my faction). I don’t want this mistake of thinking ‘oh we don’t have to try very hard because we can always lynch scum tomorrow’ to happen again.

I will get to solving tonight or tomorrow.

[Baezu]

VOTE: roster

I was already FoSing him and if there’s a guilty then it’s pretty much a no brainer

[rosterfoster]

*sigh*

Chenn rolecopped me, guessed I had a guilty on him, so decided to pretty much take my role to get a mislynch.

[davesaz]

I have seen the above conversation. Gotta do work stuff, don't have time to look closely rn.

[rosterfoster]

Btw the fact that he didn’t even try to address any of the points makes Baezu scum.

[Shoshin]

Both could be scum.

[Irrelephant11]

Reminder that three of Dunnstral's 17 posts include

VOTE: Skygazer

an RVS vote

VOTE: PenguinPower

An opportunistic vote on the Penguin wagon

OK, I don't care anymore

VOTE: Chemist

this is hammer I think

And L-1 on chemist

[Irrelephant11]

Both could be scum.

Yeah I pointed this out a page or two ago and I feel like it might be true

[Shoshin]

Hmm, Dunn could be scum too. Who knows?

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May 15, 2019 | 7:00:00 AM Chicago Time.

rosterfoster

– 5/8 –

Fuscosco, chennisden, Persivul, PenguinPower, Baezu

Shoshin – 0/8 –

Persivul – 1/8 –

Creature

Irrelephant11 – 0/8 –

Baezu – 0/8 –

Creature – 0/8 –

Fuscosco – 0/8 –

davesaz – 0/8 –

DuckDuckJab – 0/8 –

chennisden – 1/8 –

rosterfoster

PenguinPower – 0/8 –

Dunnstral – 2/8 –

Irrelephant11, Vorkuta

Skitter30 – 0/8 –

Vorkuta – 0/8 –

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No Lynch – 0/8 –

Not Voting:

Shoshin, davesaz, DuckDuckJab, Dunnstral, Skitter30

[chennisden]

We kill Roster first, obviously.

[Baezu]

VOTE: roster

I was already FoSing him and if there’s a guilty then it’s pretty much a no brainer

Couldn’t read yet to respond- been at a theme park all day with the kids...catch up as soon as I can

[chennisden]

HURT: Dunnstral