Open 755: Two-Fold C9++ (GAME OVER)

[Creature]

And your read here is flapping about a lot.

I never flapped when it came to reading Baezu's posting.

[davesaz]

How tf didn't you notice 2755 is directly a follow up for 2754?

Use more words maybe?

Pedit: The read itself changes. That is extremely clear from what I quoted.

[Creature]

Baezu looks scum if we look at her posting

but looks town if we look at how other players work around her

[Creature]

How tf didn't you notice 2755 is directly a follow up for 2754?

Use more words maybe?

It's usually clear for like everyone...

[davesaz]

Taking a bit broader look at this...

(In no particular order)
Town - {vork, skitter, fusco, duck, creature, Dave}
Null- {Dunn, chenn, rich, roster, persivul, penguin}
Scum- {chemist, sky}

Null, and hadn't said much about roster at all. I don't remember if this was the very first post Baezu even mentions roster, but it might be.

Now, here are a few tangentially related posts.

VOTE: persivul

Why?

Wait, are you satisfied with the dribble that chemist provided when he hopped on for like a nanosecond?!?!?!?!?

You mean he's not coming back??!?!?!
I'm assuming the guy popped in to say 'hi, I'll read smth and get back to you', so my beetlejuicing did something.
Now-
VOTE: PenguinPower
VOTE: PenguinPower
VOTE: PenguinPower

Why?
Why?
Why?

VOTE: rosterfoster

Please Explain

These establish a pattern of asking why in response to votes. I think asking why is fairly NAI. The who may be interesting depending on what else transpires. Note this is all D1 still.

VOTE: roster

I was already FoSing him and if there’s a guilty then it’s pretty much a no brainer

Fact checking shows that Baezu has not previously mentioned this FoS. There were explicit references to RL events between the first and last posts in this sequence. The gap

could

explain having the FoS and not mentioning it -- that happens to me.

I didn't queue it up for quote, but roster's post after this could be distancing.

It's still kinda weak. I'm more open to being convinced. Got any more?
I have to do some RL stuff now. The next 4-5 hours are iffy and likely to be on mobile if I do look.
We still have ~5 days to get this right.

BTW, it's spelled 'leader'. The cheering is called motivation. You're welcome.

[Creature]

BWAAHAHAHAHA

Vorki, wtf mate

RIP Irre.

let's check vorki more closely tonight. he's bound to have signalled and shared/sheep reads

Still kinda think bae is the right direction

VOTE: baezu

time to play you

I always get this feeling Fuscosco is hype mafia, but can be town too.

Just unlikely to be wolf.

[Creature]

So Vork was indeed crumbing defector.

Where?

[Creature]

just a reminder skitter irrationally hard defended vork so he was more likely shot my mafia than woofers

also still don't townread Fucksco and I can't tell if he's pocketed me in-game and/or I just like his style also I have an ID guess and I can't read him if that guess he correct

But interestingly I think my soul is telling me to vote with Titus

hhhhmmmm

If this is the worst, I guess this should be townreadable?

[Creature]

So basically, I am too important to kill but to unsorted to live? I can deal with this read atm.

Basically I want you to try your VCA magic and catch the lone wolf for us today, so we can save the town a NK.

6-2-1 now.. 5-2-1 with a mislynch, 3-2-1 is the worst case scenario tomorrow
6-2-1 now.. 6-1-1 with a Mafia lynch, 4-1-1 is the worst case scenario tomorrow
6-2-1 now.. 6-2-0 with a WW lynch, 5-2-0 is the worst case scenario tomorrow

The difference is 4-1-1 becomes a TOWN LOSS if we mislynch (i.e. it's actually MyLo), while 5-2-0 gives us another mislynch before LyLo

Love the way A50 thinks there are 9 players alive.

[Creature]

yea we def want the wolf today

Why?

[Creature]

hmmmmm


I think that bae is acceptable, but I actually want titus as the bud. Vorki is defending persy and wildly yelling about him all game. I could see persy brushing him back.

VOTE: titus

yea, im sold here.

That would mean Titus is wolf, but I'm seeking for mafia. Also that would look bad for whoever pushed Titus over Baezu if Baezu is mafia.

[Creature]

So Vork was indeed crumbing defector. Good to know.
That makes WWs Tx5/Tx6 (Tier 1), and this means the Mafia are Tx3/Tx4 (Tier 2).
Actually the Mafia are CDDITTT precisely. They have a goon and a Roleblocker/Role Cop left alive.
The WWs are D?TTTTT or DTTTTTT with one Basic WW left alive.

Not understanding why it must be exactly CDDITTT and not less Ts?

[Creature]

Day 1 is probably a mafia heavy wagon on the second pass.

because that like includes everyone alive?

[Creature]

My VCA is not generating many wolf suspects :/ They are too quiet on vca.

Well, luckily we were mostly looking for mafia anyway.

[Creature]

Okay, Fusco is town on page 104

[Creature]

@A50 thoughts?

The major difference between our reads is I could see Creature as either anti-town alignments the way he's playing. He has been away for great chunks of the game.

Other than that, I think Baezu is my #1 suspect for a WW, and if I let go of my paranoia about you then I agree Fuscosco would be my #1 Mafia read, followed by -again- Creature.

I thought All of dave, DDJ & Chenn were town already, so my lynch pool was in Creature/Titus/Baezu/Fuscosco, but I think I can exclude you for now, so yeah.. well done.

A50's post is bad.

[davesaz]

Wolf because less kills. That should be obv. Mafia hunting is wolf indicative in this game state.

[Creature]

We're aiming for mafia btw. Won't give them the satisfaction of going to 4v2 MyLo.

are there 8 of us or 6?

This is a dumb post, should've been pretty obvious we would go 4v2 if we lynched wolf today.

[Creature]

btw beazu's nakedvote on foster is not bad

?

Did it ever happen?

[Creature]

Dave and Critter not voting is bad.

We're like one mislynch away from losing majority, so yeah, I'm being more careful.

[Creature]

Hmmm.. now considering Creature more for a Mafioso. I get the feeling he's trying to pocket the Wolf AND keep her alive to benefit from that extra NK tonight. *Thinking*

Standoffs aren't really fun.

Maybe I would be trying to get wolf lynched pushing him/her as mafia.

[Creature]

When I look at voting patterns I wonder if both Almost and Titus are scum, on opposite teams.
Weird that it got so quiet.

This is a whole feeling ya

DDJ seems to have fallen out.

[Creature]

hmm ok

titus i think youre town even if its controversial

btw beazu's nakedvote on foster is not bad

I can accept baezu today but I rly want fusco dead soon

i dont read titus scum.

our pool is titus beazu

What's up with the inconsistency?

I don't think scum!davesaz would push chenn here.

[Creature]

Why did you cop roster again? You already seemed confident he was scum

I doubt that you would've lynched him without a guilty.

Yes, I have reads:

Baezu town
Jab leantown
Persi leanscum
Dunn scum

Chenn thinks Baezu is town too? Or at least didn't retract this later...

Inb4 davesaz starts quoting posts from other games and say I changed my read too quick.

[Creature]

Davesaz, why is your Baezu iso almost exclusively Baezu defense yet your TR on him is allegedly weak? The only time you really interact with him is calling him lazy.

8 days left on deadline.
The question is about chenn's inconsistency, not who is included in that inconsistency.

Meh, yeah, that's not an actual Baezu defense.