open 759: house party (compleded)

[Vengaboys]

Who knew I could be a more productive player on a gimmick alt? Wow!

[Golden RASpberry]

It's about at

{GRAS}
{IL, Fusco, duppin, anime person, Red, Skyg, Cheeky}
{Penguin}
^ town
v wolves
{Uncle Boob}
{Titus}
{EAF}

From my perspective anyway. Your concerns with PP are.... fine? He hasn't towntold heavily but I think his posting/reaction to my initial replace-in/impact on the gamestate has been net town. He's positioning himself the way he does unconsciously as town including before my replace in. He's townish by meta, townish my presence.

I think a lot of the stuff you're concerned about is a little confbiasy? I think biting down on lynchbait isn't inherently scum indicative. I voted anime person too before RAS townread her. Hell Knight/Baezu-head infamously has ~dat wolfy tone~ so given PP has been busy irl I think she's a natural scumread via tone.

Do you think there's anything that shows like a scum agenda/mindset in his approach to the game? Or are you kinda just not seeing strong town motivation?

[Vengaboys]

He's positioning himself the way he does unconsciously as town including before my replace in.

Can you expand on this?

I think a lot of the stuff you're concerned about is a little confbiasy?

Possibly. I get that way sometimes which is why I asked you.

I think biting down on lynchbait isn't inherently scum indicative. I voted anime person too before RAS townread her.

I mean I voted anime person and even hammered Baezu. But I feel like lynch-baity wagons can still be scum driven. I mean, just look at where PP decided to hop on the wagons:

Hell Knight (4): Yumeko Jabami, Fuscosco, Kirari Momobami, PenguinPower

Yumeko Jabami (5): Skygazer, Uncle Bob, RedPanda, PenguinPower, Titus

Hell Knight (7): Yumeko Jabami, duppin, Edgar Allan Foe, Inbred Lannisters, PenguinPower, Kirari Momobami, Titus

I don't really like those votes at all in terms of wagonomics. It feels more like shifting with the strongest wagons rather than just accidentally SRing lynchbait.

Hell Knight/Baezu-head infamously has ~dat wolfy tone~ so given PP has been busy irl I think she's a natural scumread via tone.

Fair point.

Do you think there's anything that shows like a scum agenda/mindset in his approach to the game? Or are you kinda just not seeing strong town motivation?

Define "shows an agenda?" Like I think him pushing for the house-cats/pushing for himself to be in the party could very well be agenda-y, I feel like him wagon-hopping in the way he did could also be a sign of an agenda to score an easy mislynch or something. That sounds kinda conf-biasy after typing it out. I'm not really seeing any strong town motivation from him anywhere though. Have you or RAS seen any?

Personally I'm just not super-sold on bob/Titus, at least not as much as I am on EAF. How confident are you two on your 3/3 solve?

[Fuscosco]

what is the vc?

[Fuscosco]

You arent bullies Ras.

[PenguinPower]

To sum up PP, he looks very similar to his town-meta on the surface level but there's almost no gamesolving until maybe halfway through and that consists of just him pushing lynch bait/reacting to scum reads on him/asking questions that I find emptier than his usual questions (additionally his questioning here feels more like pushy whereas his town meta questions feel like he's genuinely trying to sort stuff out)

Idk, I feel like I could definitely be wrong here but I feel like PP has high scum equity especially when you consider how hard he pushed for himself to be in the party.

Who are you?

Like I feel like you know me but you should also account for the fact that I’m vla in your “second half” assessment.

[Fuscosco]

No i think its titus, pp, and a third

[Golden RASpberry]

Personally I'm just not super-sold on bob/Titus, at least not as much as I am on EAF. How confident are you two on your 3/3 solve?

Titus is generally fairly wolfy but I'm not gonna wall case her because I have RSI now

Titus I'm very confident on being w/w with EAF
Bob I'm less confident on but RAS is more confident on

But like holistically we're very comfortable we're 3/3. PP is indeed the first slot we'd reevaluate. I don't have an issue with your case I think you're just attributing an agenda more than seeing an agenda; like its a lot of "mmmm maybe?" and I think that stuff could.. just come from town.. equally as easily

whereas I think EAF actively tried to distance from Titus; Titus has been explicitly wolfsiding; Titus responded to our casing in a way that doesn't make me think we're casing town; so forth.

Wrt Bob see RAS' case; he's been scumposting.

Also think EAF treatment of PP is meaninglessly more t/s than it is s/s, where his treatment of Titus is slightly more s/s than t/s.

Specifically I feel really passionately about {EAF, Titus} where RAS feels really passionately about {EAF, Bob}. Together we're like, lolcatting levels of confident that we're 3/3.

You arent bullies Ras.

You haven't seen me get started yet fishsnek

[Golden RASpberry]

No i think its titus, pp, and a third

After the amount of casing I've done on EAF I kinda feel like I want some kind of actual read there man.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah PP probs scum D:

[Golden RASpberry]

Spoiler: votes atm

Vote count 2b.0

party vote

PARTY MEMBERS (5):

duppin, Edgar Allan Foe, Fuscosco, Inbred Lannisters, Golden RASpberry

Golden RASpberry (7):

Inbred Lannisters, Skygazer, Golden RASpberry, RedPanda, CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower, Fuscosco

nobody (1):

Titus

not voting (4):

Edgar Allan Foe, duppin, Yumeko Jabami, Uncle Bob

the group phase finishes with Golden RASberry added to the party.

Edgar Allan Foe (4):

Golden RASpberry, CheekyTeeky, Fuscosco, Skygazer

PenguinPower (2):

RedPanda, Yumeko Jabami

not voting (6):

Edgar Allan Foe, Titus, PenguinPower, Uncle Bob, Inbred Lannisters, duppin

with 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 2 ends june 13th at 22:40 central US time; in (expired on 2019-06-20 22:40:00)

mod notes

• replacing uncle bob
  
• duppin is vla till thursday

[/area]

VOTE: Edgar Allan Foe

Edgar is at L-2.

- Cersei Lannister (Volxen)

I want titus today.

VOTE: titus

Its well and you youre in the party, but its unlikely for us to die tonight. And if we do its wifom under the bridge brought about by us not being in consensus.

unofficial;

Edgar Allan Foe (4): Golden RASpberry, CheekyTeeky, Skygazer, Inbred Lannisters
PenguinPower (2): RedPanda, Yumeko Jabami
Titus (1): Fuscosco

not voting (5): Edgar Allan Foe, Titus, PenguinPower, Uncle Bob, duppin

[Vengaboys]

Who are you?

Like I feel like you know me but you should also account for the fact that I’m vla in your “second half” assessment.

I know you vaguely ig? Not too many games played together? How long have you been on VLA? I think a lot of what I said applies to D1 stuff but I'm struggling to remember how long you've been on VLA

[Golden RASpberry]

Guys we need EAF today. This is a red flip. I appreciate sorting the rest of the list but if there's a deepwolf it's PP. just lynch EAF, lynch Titus, deal with PP/UB for the win.

[Fuscosco]

deepwolf it's PP. just lynch EAF, lynch Titus, deal with PP/UB for the win.

this is coo

VOTE: EAF

[Vengaboys]

Spoiler: votes atm

Vote count 2b.0

party vote

PARTY MEMBERS (5):

duppin, Edgar Allan Foe, Fuscosco, Inbred Lannisters, Golden RASpberry

Golden RASpberry (7):

Inbred Lannisters, Skygazer, Golden RASpberry, RedPanda, CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower, Fuscosco

nobody (1):

Titus

not voting (4):

Edgar Allan Foe, duppin, Yumeko Jabami, Uncle Bob

the group phase finishes with Golden RASberry added to the party.

Edgar Allan Foe (4):

Golden RASpberry, CheekyTeeky, Fuscosco, Skygazer

PenguinPower (2):

RedPanda, Yumeko Jabami

not voting (6):

Edgar Allan Foe, Titus, PenguinPower, Uncle Bob, Inbred Lannisters, duppin

with 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 2 ends june 13th at 22:40 central US time; in (expired on 2019-06-20 22:40:00)

mod notes

• replacing uncle bob
  
• duppin is vla till thursday

[/area]

VOTE: Edgar Allan Foe

Edgar is at L-2.

- Cersei Lannister (Volxen)

I want titus today.

VOTE: titus

Its well and you youre in the party, but its unlikely for us to die tonight. And if we do its wifom under the bridge brought about by us not being in consensus.

unofficial;

Edgar Allan Foe (4): Golden RASpberry, CheekyTeeky, Skygazer, Inbred Lannisters
PenguinPower (2): RedPanda, Yumeko Jabami
Titus (1): Fuscosco

not voting (5): Edgar Allan Foe, Titus, PenguinPower, Uncle Bob, duppin

We replaced skygazer

[CheekyTeeky]

I wouldn't mind getting this lynch through asap. Ego battles are taxing to read.

[Golden RASpberry]

Sry I forgot to change and you kept your pred's vote

[Golden RASpberry]

I wouldn't mind getting this lynch through asap. Ego battles are taxing to read.

They're taxing to type!

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm feeling hesitant on Titus tbh. UB/EAP/PP maybe but EAP PP interactions are weird.

[Vengaboys]

I mean shit man, minus the fact that I know it's wrong by nature of my role PM that's a pretty convincing case? Fuck, I'd vote me if I wasn't me, based on that case. I accept my lynch, unfortunate as it is. Seems my attempt sot change my playstyle to be less hyperactive just resulted in my stuff turning to shit. Apologies. At the very least let's replace me with Golden within the party, because there's ~0.0001% odds it flips scum.

Let me use the maximum amount of time available to put down plans for what happens when their solve ISN'T accurate and we have to re-calibrate.

And then I'll root? Rot? From the dead PT.

We just saw this!! Wow, this is a very obvious appeal to emotion. At least you got to enjoy a small bit of time partying.

[PenguinPower]

Who are you?

Like I feel like you know me but you should also account for the fact that I’m vla in your “second half” assessment.

I know you vaguely ig? Not too many games played together? How long have you been on VLA? I think a lot of what I said applies to D1 stuff but I'm struggling to remember how long you've been on VLA

Well if you’re including D1 then you don’t know me.

[Golden RASpberry]

Yeah, well I haven't been trying much due to IRL so I get the easy push a bit.

I really don't care for a hydra subbing in and immediately getting voted into the party. The party being static is why it's good.

And he has me as scum for objecting....

This isn't a townpost.
She's also kinda openwolfing wrt letting obvtown die so that she can have.... flips for vca and nka....? like what the fuck I appreciate she's a logical player but "the obvtown slots were town lol sorry" isn't stimulating for vca at all.

[Golden RASpberry]

PP, you're the EAF counter-wagon. Can I count on your L-1 vote here?

[Vengaboys]

Who are you?

Like I feel like you know me but you should also account for the fact that I’m vla in your “second half” assessment.

I know you vaguely ig? Not too many games played together? How long have you been on VLA? I think a lot of what I said applies to D1 stuff but I'm struggling to remember how long you've been on VLA

Well if you’re including D1 then you don’t know me.

Fair enough, we can't say we have a solid grasp on your meta.

[CheekyTeeky]

No that's obvtown titus getting mad that we aren't following mechanics.