Open 761: Grey Flag Nightless - [It's over!]

NotAJumbleOfNumbers · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:23 pm

Voted has failed to pick up the prod. Searching for a replacement for Voted.

geometry · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:28 pm

I'm Voted's replacement.

NotAJumbleOfNumbers · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:29 pm

geometry replaces Voted.

geometry · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:34 pm

In post 693, RadiantCowbells wrote:So just to be crystal clear on the logic we're using

If once you've reached 5 way lylo

if Shoshin has 1) pushed a lynch that wasn't in {chemist/nerfedbuj/ankamius} and had it flip town
or 2) shoshin tries in 5 way to push a lynch that's not in {chemist/nerfedbuj/ankamius}

treat her as confirmed scum.

Jfc can you at least wait for me

I'm off work in 20 minutes
ok fine

Alright. I'll note this.

geometry · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:39 pm

I'm not exactly sure why there's a deadline.

Does a no-lynch give mafia the kill?

geometry · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:40 pm

In post 192, NerfedBuJ wrote:One of my two scumreads has already been mentioned.

The other is voted
who nobody seems too concerned about

Lazy scumread, Nerfed.

ISO · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:43 pm

geometry, are you town?

geometry · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:45 pm

Nerfed/Chemist/Ircher are scummy.

I've seen Chemist play this way as town though where he contributes nothing to the gamestate, keeps saying "AMA" and he was the first mislynch.

geometry · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:46 pm

I'm town. You?

geometry · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:47 pm

You're not on my lynchlist right now.

Chemist is also ideal lynchbait for scum to push.

geometry · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:48 pm

In post 288, RadiantCowbells wrote:I've seen chemist have equally awful isos as town as well.

I don't like it, but I certainly don't think it's more scum indicative than Datisi or Buj

I think this is kind of what I'm trying to say.

ISO · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:49 pm

I'm town as well.

geometry · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:01 pm

In post 215, NerfedBuJ wrote:It was datisi.. though considering I forgot the slot I'm not so sure anymore.

See what I wrote in blue for how I feel about this post.

In post 259, NerfedBuJ wrote:VOTE: Voted

How about we don't disarm town of its only weapon.

NerfedBuj tries to start a wagon on Voted and if they've played together even once Buj should know that wagoning Voted isn't productive to town agenda most of the time.

In post 342, NerfedBuJ wrote:
In post 318, RadiantCowbells wrote:I dunno Shoshin. Do you really think that Buj makes the post he does regarding jealousy of my female attention as town? I really can't see it.
I think it makes a decent amount of sense from the position of scum with Datisi. Not in terms of being a 'good post', but something I can see scum posting.
All of that was just joking. The attention thing was really just a comment on how people play differently just because you're in a game and it's frustrating to sort. They don't play mafia they play "hey RC is here let's see what he does". I didn't expect it to happen in page 1 but you have chemist saying hi only to you and datisi giving you a permanent homage in her signature.

I think you have a totally warped sense of how people treat you in games. You always talk about how it's so bad and boo hoo this or that but from what I've seen in the past like 5 games together people are usually scrambling about and climbing on top of each other to townread or pocket you because of your name alone.

Why people can't wait until you actually post content is beyond me.

Buj goes for the general discredit on RC when it's a specific point that he should answer instead.

Bonus points because Buj knows that his points actually are right, and uses that to cover the fact that his interactions with RC aren't relevant or helpful.

In post 371, NerfedBuJ wrote:
In post 367, RadiantCowbells wrote:I prefer lobbies where everyone self motivates themselves to play because they want to win the game but ok

VOTE: DATISI
Has she played games with you on MS?

I can't see any difference between her and other lurkers

This isn't genuine. It's quite obvious based on their interactions that RC and Datisi have played together.

My impression of NerfedBuj is that this game is him trying to 1) defend Datisi from the wagon on her until she/someone else arrives to actually take the slot and presumably get it some town credit and 2) prepare to not look as bad when the slot does flip scum. The way he's been treating this slot indicates that he wanted to avoid the flip if possible but also wanted to minimize his losses by being vague. And that's why I think he's being vague in general; to try and cover up his associatives with Datisi. Datisi's ISO is devoid of associatives except for two posts, which don't deserve to be hyperanalyzed just yet.

geometry · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:02 pm

I'm about go to sleep - my unpopular scumread is Bitmap and my popular one is Buj

We can sort Buj first but I think Bitmap has scum equity.

Ankamius · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:52 am

you do understand that we only need one more scumflip right

geometry · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:58 am

Yeah

So let's flip Buj and win this for the not homies?

geometry · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:59 am

VOTE: buj

Ankamius · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:10 am

..........who are you?

geometry · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:11 am

I'm geometry!

geometry · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:13 am

In post 724, Chemist1422 wrote:thanks for stealing my hammer ank

VOTE: Ank

Bad Vote.

geometry · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:15 am

In post 449, RadiantCowbells wrote:Chemist your play is terribly underwhelming even by your standards

I mostly disagree. Wall incoming.

geometry · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:50 am

TL;DR: Chemist is not too far off his town meta, but he's still in my bottom half of reads. If half of his posts are "sorry I'm inactive" that's town-indicative of him.

Spoiler: Because my summary ended up being a wallpost too...

I no longer disagree that Chemist's ISO is underwhelming, but I still disagree that he should be the

automatic

lynch today.

But my goodness, this is harder than trying to hyperanalyze Datisi's ISO.

I'm using Open 755 for meta comparisons because Shoshin and NerfedBuj (in a hydra) were in there, and his town meta that game seemed similar to him.

Shoshin, I'd appreciate a quick summary of your thoughts on Chemist as well to see if I'm off base here.

Spoiler: Chemist

So a summary of my thoughts on Chemist:

I don't think Chemist should be apathy or policy lynched for his play today.

He's a player who is difficult to make play using pressure. He is going to give reads without a lot of effort. (All of his correct reads, which were all of them except for Shoshin, were all "null" or "slight." Given that where literally only chennisden misread her (remember PP was scum) and he completely did a 180 when Shoshin mainrevealed while Chemist never reconsidered, I think that this should be taken into account when looking at his readlist, which conveniently avoids Shoshin.)

However, if the wagon/lynch ends up being not motivated by policy/apathy in regards to reading Chemist's slot, and people still want to lynch him after a more thorough examination of his slot, I will support that as there are more scumsigns than usual.

geometry · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:51 am