In post 35, James Brafin wrote:Hey everyone, I’m James Brafin.
Some things to know:
I policy vote/lynch toxicity. Period. I don’t want it in my game. It’s no fun for anyone.
Fuck you.
I don’t like RVS. I’ve heard it said that it builds information, but how can you build information on no foundation? So I’m abstaining my vote. When I put it up you can assume your RVS is over.
Kind of agree. I don't think you can get near as much from RVS as some people think. But as to foundation - meta is somewhat of a foundation.
I’m also doing a touch of research to improve my preliminary reads, so if I ask a weird question just play along.
Speaking of weird questions, I’d appreciate it if everyone would answer this:
If you could live anywhere, where would it be and why?
In post 30, implosion wrote:phil is basically guaranteed to either be scum or towntell very hard very quickly when put under pressure so let's go friends
I'll be honest, that was definitely the case in the past, but I'd like to think I've changed somewhat in the five years since I last played a game here. People did always tend to draw very strong, very fast reads on me.
Their accuracy left something to be desired, but hey.
Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
Probable record holder for most games played on site before managing to win one!
All responses noted.
To those who have an issue: I understand your concern, but I promise there is a very good reason for this. Let’s just say I’m trying to change the game so to speak.
In post 35, James Brafin wrote:
Speaking of weird questions, I’d appreciate it if everyone would answer this:
If you could live anywhere, where would it be and why?
For me, it’s somewhere in the north, where you get decent snow. Nebraska, maybe?
Thanks,
JB
Will this have some kind of follow-up this time? Last time with the food question it ended nowhere. (I liked though that the Italian food answer actually came from scum)
In post 55, James Brafin wrote:All responses noted.
To those who have an issue: I understand your concern, but I promise there is a very good reason for this. Let’s just say I’m trying to change the game so to speak.
In post 43, Phillammon wrote:No, I'm voting them because they are refusing to volunteer information that'll help me form a read on them, and applying pressure is a good way to
force
them to volunteer information that'll help me form a read on them.
In post 45, Phillammon wrote:Sakura leaning scum, you leaning town, brafin was leaning scum til I did a meta search at which point it became "null but learn more"
In post 41, Phillammon wrote:Implosion, sure, still a damn sight more than I am comfortable with that early on.
VOTE: James Brafin the entire point of RVS is that someone *does* have information, and we're trying to see who it is. A brief search suggests you do this every game, but I still don't like that at all.
Probably relatively northerly here too, but given I live north of 42 degrees, our calibrations for what constitutes north may differ
So A) your reason to vote me is shit. You should know, if you actually meta-dived, that if you vote me I feel no pressure.
B) This method is inherently flawed imo, because it relies on the fact that we focus on spontaneous wagons that have no structure and/or TvT, SvT, or similar, neither of which scum is stupid enough to get into at this point in the game and reveal they know things. So we end up with a D1 mislynch that didn’t really provide any information because the information we think we are gathering doesn’t exist or is being manipulated by scum. Alternatively, it’s hard to fake answering a question, and assuming everyone participates, it should tell you a little about playstyle, even if the question has no bearing on the game. For example, both you and Gamma are heavily reliant on RVS, and you use your votes as pressure to attempt to form reads. All of this due to the fact that my refusal to participate in RVS actually created more dialogue than your RVS did, far quicker and more naturally, which should be somewhat indicative of how flawed the system actually is. We learn far more from not doing it than doing it.
That all being said, VOTE: Phil OMGUS. Your reasoning that I am and will “refuse to provide information” is bull. I posted once, you’ve not given me the opportunity to provide information.
In post 35, James Brafin wrote:
Speaking of weird questions, I’d appreciate it if everyone would answer this:
If you could live anywhere, where would it be and why?
For me, it’s somewhere in the north, where you get decent snow. Nebraska, maybe?
Thanks,
JB
Will this have some kind of follow-up this time? Last time with the food question it ended nowhere. (I liked though that the Italian food answer actually came from scum)
I don't need to live somewhere else.
Yeah it will. I went out of town and needed to replace, but that shouldn’t happen this game.
In post 55, James Brafin wrote:All responses noted.
To those who have an issue: I understand your concern, but I promise there is a very good reason for this. Let’s just say I’m trying to change the game so to speak.
I was toxic. Why aren't you voting me?
I was ignoring the blatant attempts to draw conflict that were obviously trolly in nature.
The fact that you’re still trying to force me to 1v1 with you is major scum points though.
...in fact now I'm looking at your posts here harder, it's hard to remotely reconcile your claimed methodology with that vote, and as you say, you don't vote randomly. So yeah, James back to looking very suspect here.
Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
Probable record holder for most games played on site before managing to win one!
Well yes, I think your vote is bullshit and very opportunistic. It looks like a scum move. So I voted you, because it looked like a scum move. I don’t see what your reasoning is here.
I have to concur. (If anything, you've kind of proved my point here. In your response to being voted, you have responded and given a whole bunch of information about your reasoning!) (That immediately changes when you're called on it) (That's generally not how town reasoning works)
Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
Probable record holder for most games played on site before managing to win one!
To be absolutely clear, because you're claiming I was voting you for not giving information in a single post: Your refusal to vote in RVS was itself the thing that was denying information, and threatened to continue. Voting for you was intended to get you to give us information sooner rather than later. And hey, look at that, it worked.
Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
Probable record holder for most games played on site before managing to win one!
But at that point we weren't in RVS anymore, were we? You and I (me in particular) intentionally moved us out of RVS and started generating information.
So you're saying here that "You don't like that all" (From post 41) because it doesn't start generating reads and discussion, when it did in fact start generating reads and discussion?
Your logic astounds me. Please, continue.
@Sakura: To me it feels like, "Hey, I don't like this guy's approach to game start, so even though he does this consistently, I'm gonna vote him because 'I don't like it.['" That reads as opportunistic to me and using my regular approach to gamestart to try and get a wagon rolling.
And before anyone goes all off the deep end about what I said before: Scum doesn't wagon/SvT in RVS, because that's where the entire focus is, in those wagons and those interactions. But that's where town looks and votes, and then we end up with a D1 mislynch. However, we are no longer in RVS, which means at this point any wagon from this point forward can and should be examined. When Phil ended RVS with his posts, which I believe were opportunistic, and an attempt to shade and paint me as unhelpful scum.
In post 43, Phillammon wrote:No, I'm voting them because they are refusing to volunteer information that'll help me form a read on them, and applying pressure is a good way to
force
them to volunteer information that'll help me form a read on them.
I don't like this post, btw. If I don't believe RVS provides information of any sort, why would I participate in it? I never said I wouldn't provide info. All I said is that I wouldn't participate in RVS.
To recapitulate with classical logic, your argument is:
People who participate in RVS are people who are going to volunteer or provide information. (A)
James Brafin is not a person who is participating in RVS. (O)
Therefore, James Brafin is not a person who is going provide information. (O)
The problem here is that this first statement is objectively untrue. Not only does participation in RVS not dictate if you provider information, we've established that the participation in RVS does NOT provide information.
In post 30, implosion wrote:phil is basically guaranteed to either be scum or towntell very hard very quickly when put under pressure so let's go friends
What Meta Gives You Such An Impression
None?
In post 35, James Brafin wrote:
For me, it’s somewhere in the north, where you get decent snow. Nebraska, maybe?
This is *remarkably* unspecific.
Well then -_-
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