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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:25 pm
by NaCl
In post 1213, NorwegianboyEE wrote: In post 1211, NaCl wrote:Or well, not really convinced on your scumread, but you're not trying to get evidence.
All scumreads are pretty much based upon gut feelings at this point, it’s even harder for me since i can’t base it upon the meta. I don’t know anyone’s scumgame here. So the better question is: Are you really going to lambast me for what everyone else is doing on day 1?
You're not doing the same as everyone else (well, or the same as some people, anyways). You didn't care about furthering your read on PlatinumPhoenix at all.
I'm not liking their interaction just a little bit back, but given the gamestate, I think that Fake-PP is probably town, with a small chance of Zombie. The gamestate doesn't feel like one where a scum is being run up D1.
@RCE, you never answered my question, but looking back I might have been misinterpreting what you were saying. So if that's the case, never mind. Otherwise please answer.
@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:39 pm
by tris
In post 1275, NaCl wrote:
@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?
Didn't I just answer this?
Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:52 pm
by PenguinPower
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:54 pm
by Platinum Phoenix
In post 1276, tris wrote: In post 1275, NaCl wrote:
@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?
Didn't I just answer this?
Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?
tris the way you want me to vote so you can evaluate your options feels scummy
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:58 pm
by Platinum Phoenix
ugh, as unacceptable as it is, ben could be lazy town
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:59 pm
by Platinum Phoenix
TL can you stop derptowning, and literally do anything better with your vote, including not using it
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:00 pm
by NaCl
@Tris
Oh, yeah, didn't exactly think that through clearly enough. What I was specifically meaning was "If Fake-PP is town, why does Norwegian's interaction depend on his alignment? Couldn't the interaction have gone the same way regardless of if it was Town-Fake-PP and Scum-Norwegian as if it was Town-Fake-PP and Town-Norwegian?"
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:09 pm
by tris
In post 1278, Platinum Phoenix wrote: In post 1276, tris wrote: In post 1275, NaCl wrote:
@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?
Didn't I just answer this?
Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?
tris the way you want me to vote so you can evaluate your options feels scummy
Why haven't you pushed a counterwagon yet?
NaCl wrote:@Tris
Oh, yeah, didn't exactly think that through clearly enough. What I was specifically meaning was "If Fake-PP is town, why does Norwegian's interaction depend on his alignment? Couldn't the interaction have gone the same way regardless of if it was Town-Fake-PP and Scum-Norwegian as if it was Town-Fake-PP and Town-Norwegian?"
Because I think Norwegian is town unless they're both in on it.
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:10 pm
by Platinum Phoenix
i think that's a bit surface level: what you're getting at seems like "Norwegian seems like he has the nuance to do this as either alignment"
i think a good question to ask is "what motivation does he have to do it as town/scum?"
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:10 pm
by Platinum Phoenix
In post 1282, tris wrote: In post 1278, Platinum Phoenix wrote: In post 1276, tris wrote: In post 1275, NaCl wrote:
@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?
Didn't I just answer this?
Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?
tris the way you want me to vote so you can evaluate your options feels scummy
Why haven't you pushed a counterwagon yet?
NaCl wrote:@Tris
Oh, yeah, didn't exactly think that through clearly enough. What I was specifically meaning was "If Fake-PP is town, why does Norwegian's interaction depend on his alignment? Couldn't the interaction have gone the same way regardless of if it was Town-Fake-PP and Scum-Norwegian as if it was Town-Fake-PP and Town-Norwegian?"
Because I think Norwegian is town unless they're both in on it.
Because I need to be right
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:31 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
For those of you who believe my interaction with Phoenix was S+S then I've already said in post
1247 why i believe it's objectively unlikely so i won't touch on it. From my own perspective it would either have to be T+T or T+S. And i honestly think Phoenix is town since i don't believe scum would react in such a way to being pressured.
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:39 pm
by RCEnigma
In post 1275, NaCl wrote:@RCE, you never answered my question, but looking back I might have been misinterpreting what you were saying. So if that's the case, never mind. Otherwise please answer.
The implication was I won't feel bad about lynching anywhere outside of my townblock. UiT was in that block until recently and wasn't attributing a scumread to them in my rant. Which was general.
But they're doing the exact thing I was talking about now and the vote is ehhh. I misinterpreted it as a townread + vote on plat at first.
The correspondence in thread is still weird because it's not like a schtick they're running. I have a theory that's angleshooty so I'm not really trying to use that in my read.
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:41 pm
by RCEnigma
Who does that make your biggest scumread then?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:35 am
by Unstuck in Time
In post 1285, NorwegianboyEE wrote:For those of you who believe my interaction with Phoenix was S+S then I've already said in post
1247 why i believe it's objectively unlikely so i won't touch on it. From my own perspective it would either have to be T+T or T+S. And i honestly think Phoenix is town since i don't believe scum would react in such a way to being pressured.
reading this post makes me feel like you're scum with Phoenix
TL
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:46 am
by Something_Smart
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:51 am
by Unstuck in Time
You can't tell me
1285 isn't made by scum trying to distance themselves from their scumbuddy.
TL
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:57 am
by Something_Smart
Then it's a good thing that I don't have to. The burden of proof is on you here to explain why it is.
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:05 am
by Unstuck in Time
In post 1291, Something_Smart wrote:Then it's a good thing that I don't have to. The burden of proof is on you here to explain why it is.
starting with
717, the vote looks fake to me.
718 is trying to make the interaction look towny.
756 is an otherwise good post, but it falls flat due to
717
783 is actually a good post. This might lead to credence that if the interaction isn't SvS, PlatPhoenix is town and not Norwegian
Reading
1213 -
1236, I'd say that interaction doesn't shine of the pure calling each other out that is a TvT interaction. It's likely to be SvS, but PlatPhoenix is town if this isn't.
The distancing NorwegianboyEE is doing after the fact makes it a -20% chance NorwegianboyEE is town.
Changing my vote to NorwegianboyEE because he's more likely to scum be.
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
TL
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:10 am
by Something_Smart
TvT interactions can go a lot of different ways. What is "pure calling each other out" and why is the that the only/most likely thing you expect from a TvT interaction?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:11 am
by Something_Smart
For the record,
718 is obviously a LAMIST post; that in and of itself is not indicative of alignment. Is there something in the timing of that post that makes you think they might not post it as town?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:14 am
by Unstuck in Time
In post 1293, Something_Smart wrote:TvT interactions can go a lot of different ways. What is "pure calling each other out" and why is the that the only/most likely thing you expect from a TvT interaction?
When two townies are finding reasons to scumread each other endlessly and there's no indication the interaction is fake, it's likely a TvT interaction.
It's really the major thing that says TvT to me... if it seems real and honest it's more likely to be town imo.
PlatPhoenix/Norwegian seems deliberately contrived to me... doesn't seem organic at all.
pedit: LAMIST posts like that are scum-AI imo. The timing is right after Norwegian voted PlatPhoenix so that makes it worse (seemingly to try to deflect the wagon?)
TL
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:40 am
by NorwegianboyEE
I'm not sure what i'm supposed to respond to when Unstuck's main point is that the conversation doesn't feel "organic".
Seems like quite a stretch if you ask me.
This is really scummy. Why would me flipping town prove that Phoenix is town?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:52 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1295, Unstuck in Time wrote:pedit: LAMIST posts like that are scum-AI imo. The timing is right after Norwegian voted PlatPhoenix so that makes it worse (seemingly to try to deflect the wagon?)
That actually seems like a point against them both being scum, no? If Platinum were trying to get votes off of them, couldn't they start by telling their partner not to vote them to begin with?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:53 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1296, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm not sure what i'm supposed to respond to when Unstuck's main point is that the conversation doesn't feel "organic".
Seems like quite a stretch if you ask me.
Explain what was going through your head and why you were thinking that way when you made the posts in question, I suppose.
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:00 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 1298, Something_Smart wrote: In post 1296, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm not sure what i'm supposed to respond to when Unstuck's main point is that the conversation doesn't feel "organic".
Seems like quite a stretch if you ask me.
Explain what was going through your head and why you were thinking that way when you made the posts in question, I suppose.
Do you mean post
1285?
I tried analyzing mine and Phoenix's behavior objectively because i thought seeing the conversation as S+S was a really stupid conclusion to gather from the exchange. No offense to townies but wtf?