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Post Post #3400 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:24 pm

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I might be getting into recency bias too

I spend a lot of time thinking about how much of large theme scum winrate is the effect of recency bias on games of mafia

i'd say that's a digression but the extra wait for deimos week plus the missing nights kind of puts this game at a 18p's pace? so maybe it's not a digression


bias is bad, I might be throwing

will you still like me if I throw a game firebringer
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Post Post #3401 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:25 pm

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Isis is pushing FB because she thinks it would lead to a lynch. Looker, Deimos, Elements + her.

She doesn't have real reads and she is openwolfing.

I also don't believe that she is "demotivated" by my scumreading of her. Nobody else wants to lynch her. Why would that bother her?

Wise up, town.
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Post Post #3402 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:25 pm

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In post 3397, Isis wrote:I don't actually want to lynch you to sheep your reads per se. I feel like the possibility space where you are scum is the only one I feel worried about losing? So I need to lynch you. Like it has to do with a lot of associative patterns amongst the slots with scum potential. If you're not scum, I feel like I'm going to win anyway, I think GC scum really couldn't afford to amplify Deimos's voice a second ago, and then it's just like 2/2 in Looker Deimos (doesn't clear Deimos the way it clears GC because Deimos is more hailmary positioned).
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Post Post #3403 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:25 pm

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im not going to hate u for being wrong town. Gonna be massively annoyed at u for pushing my lynch to annoy me if ur scum.
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Post Post #3404 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:26 pm

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Looker is town.
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Post Post #3405 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:26 pm

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I'm not demotivated, Elements was demotivated, by Firebringer
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Post Post #3406 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:27 pm

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In post 3358, Isis wrote:I mostly feel like HEM is town who is gamethrowing by scumreading me and it's a bit dispiriting.
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Post Post #3407 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:27 pm

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Firebringer if you're town there's scum in your townreads at this point so
we all lose sometimes
mafia is hard ok
cut me some slack
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Post Post #3408 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:27 pm

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Lynch Isis omggggggggggggggggg
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Post Post #3409 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:28 pm

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In post 3407, Isis wrote:Firebringer if you're town there's scum in your townreads at this point so
we all lose sometimes
mafia is hard ok
cut me some slack
okay then.

u forgive me if ur town because i am not going down to a possible scum u.

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Post Post #3410 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:28 pm

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Post Post #3411 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:29 pm

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In post 3408, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Lynch Isis omggggggggggggggggg
why would Isis-scum switch from Cycle to Norwegian as part of HEM/Isis/Ali push?
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Post Post #3412 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:30 pm

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I think of dispiriting and demotivating as different

dispiriting means like the corners of my mouth are turning downwards demotivating means the actual will of me is being sapped and you would anticipate less action from me

the dictionary might say i'm factually wrong, that's whatever, but a minority single person in the town thinking i'm scum doesn't keep me from playing the game, so i'm gonna play the game, but when I go through the effort of really giving someone a fair shake when I really just want to vengemurder them for killing ali while I was afk and promising to get lynched if it's wrong yeah i'm unhappy enough to want some kind of four dollar word for it
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Post Post #3413 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:30 pm

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Scum definitely exist in my townreads Isis. I am basically townreading everyone here except Deimos. So ur definitely right.
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Post Post #3414 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:31 pm

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the answer is they've planned the bus streets ahead. Isis dragged Norwegian along up until Day 4 (or Day 5?) despite scumreading her.
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Post Post #3415 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:32 pm

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In post 3411, Green Crayons wrote:why would Isis-scum switch from Cycle to Norwegian as part of HEM/Isis/Ali push?
She is also self-proclaimed Queen of bus so I don't know why you would read into her associations, and not
literally everything else
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Post Post #3416 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:35 pm

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a;fdlsjkl;

literally
I townread everybody for different things
which makes me kind of want to lynch one of the people that is on record with "lmao i'm cool with being lynched"
and those people don't get how that sentiment might start to develop
I can kind of follow the progression of just omgussing anyway
but it makes me pretty annoyed with having the playstyle of "lmao i'm cool with being lynched"
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Post Post #3417 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:36 pm

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In post 3414, humaneatingmonkey wrote:the answer is they've planned the bus streets ahead. Isis dragged Norwegian along up until Day 4 (or Day 5?) despite scumreading her.
That doesn't actually answer my question. Your theory is that, on D1, Isis helped momentum turn from Cycle-scum (worthless at the time) to Norwegian-scum (not worthless at the time) because Isis was planning on bussing Norwegian several days down the road? Even on its own terms, the theory (bus late game) doesn't match what happened (bus D1).



Also, FB, Ali, and at least one other player said "yeah Norwegian is totes scum" on D1. So there are lots of folks who would fit the definition of dragging Norwegian along.
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Post Post #3418 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:38 pm

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In post 3415, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 3411, Green Crayons wrote:why would Isis-scum switch from Cycle to Norwegian as part of HEM/Isis/Ali push?
She is also self-proclaimed Queen of bus so I don't know why you would read into her associations, and not
literally everything else
Because the only information I have, apart from my own alignment, is the alignment of two dead scum. How they interacted with people, and how people interacted (or didn't) with them, is first rate information.

All other information is second tier.
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In post 3418, Green Crayons wrote:only information
only mod-confirmed information
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Post Post #3420 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:45 pm

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and bussing doesn't undermine that information at all?
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Post Post #3421 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:45 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #3422 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:46 pm

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you guys don't get it. i'm cool with being lynched only if it will confirm my slot as town, and my reads will be bussed.
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Post Post #3423 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:47 pm

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In post 3422, humaneatingmonkey wrote:and my reads will be bussed
lol
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Post Post #3424 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2020 4:48 pm

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In post 3420, humaneatingmonkey wrote:and bussing doesn't undermine that information at all?
I'm not blind to the concept of bussing, but bussing generally has a strategy behind it.
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