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Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:38 pm

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In post 1424, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1420, Morning Tweet wrote:This is the tell that *strongly* implies that Salsa wouldn't make the NM kill. She seems to have no idea how Hider works AND we learn later she doesn't know how crumbing works (since she thinks it's not allowed) so how in god's name would she know to look for a hider visit crumb anyway?
is there a reason Salsa couldn't have killed NM for a reason other than the crumb?
Why would you ever kill NM over Penguin/BM/Pooky/Dragons though? Especially BM and Dragons who were already valid kills at the time and remained valid kills on the later nights so the killer wasnt keeping them alive intentionally or anything. There might even be more players im missing but you get the idea, there were quite a few active targets on Art and in the town bloc bros

even if you're not familiar with him, NM had less presence than all those players and when he was there he wasn't really scumhunting much. Yeah he got Art right by joining the wagon but he was poised to go after Mini next

I mean just playing the odds here, what are the chances Salsa kills NM on whatever whim and that just also accidentally happens to be the smartest move possible -- versus someone killing NM because they
knew
it was correct? The kill in of itself heavily suggests that mafia knew to me, there were at least 5-6 reasonable targets!

If there is potentially a good reason for someone to kill NM (outside of the crumb) or a good reason for Salsa specifically that you have in mind, that would be good to hear cause it makes your position more believable. However as it is I feel that if mafia spots the crumb they kill NM 100% (no other role would crumb visit so hard end of day really) and there isn't a good reason to kill him outside of that
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Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:24 pm

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I am ashamed to admit that I also forgot it was N_M that got shot on N1 and not PP. This "may" convince me it wasn't Salsa, because "why the hell would anyone shoot N_M if they don't know N_M?"

I am on S_S already, so there's not much I can do in this regard. implo -in my own PoV- is 100% clear (an additional reason is him going against the flow and pushing S_S instead of just accepting the Salsa lim)

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Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:02 pm

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In post 1419, implosion wrote:also jesus you have so much more motivation than anyone else alive right now lol
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Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:19 pm

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i am glad i could remind everyone of the N1 kill, i suppose it's been a while
In post 1426, Almost50 wrote:I am on S_S already, so there's not much I can do in this regard. implo -in my own PoV- is 100% clear (an additional reason is him going against the flow and pushing S_S instead of just accepting the Salsa lim)
Why's implo clear for you? But if that is really so that's good enough for me then

just scipio and SS

Although i dont really think it's scipio
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Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:39 pm

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I see my predecessor thought it was scipio so ill look at that
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In post 1310, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 1300, Scipio1 wrote:
In post 1291, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 1290, Scipio1 wrote:salsa why do you townread s_s and pooky
I'm sheeping
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here, also I played with them in another game where they were a town, their playstyle seems the same.
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So you think s_s is town because he hasn’t done anything scummy? In that case what have implo and I done that’s scummy to you?
Well, your lack of
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scum-hunting. While I go through your ISO, I'll find a bunch of questions but no follow-up later. The rest of your posts don't give me town vibes. Examples:

, : bad reason to townread anyone fmpov.

: didn't state any reason.

: maybe you started to push
Artemiana
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Minimegabyte/the worst
slot on .

: again
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and again not strongly follow that later but continue to stuck with
Minimegabyte/the worst
slot on .

, , , : bunch of questions which I don't know lead you where as you didn't share with the rest of us.

, : switched to
Artemiana
without giving any reason/read why you thought she could be scum.

: voted me without giving any reason.

: questioned me for the sake of questioning, why didn't you engage with me or anyone in particular throughout the whole game??

: don't know how to feel about this post yet.

: as usual, didn't give any reason for this read either.

: then why
implosion
was on your FOS pool?

, , , , : in these posts, you
thought
implosion
and
Dunnstral
have a decent chance to flip scum(s) but yet, you didn't voted them. Especially, with the
Dunnstral
wagon, when some of us asking you why you didn't vote
Dunnstral
, your answers were not townie at all. Now that I'm thinking again, I feel you (scum) and
Almost50
(traitor) is the solve.

, : these 2 posts makes thinks about the possibility of
implosion
being town here. Though I'm sheeping
PookytheMagicalBear
in this game,
implosion
actually is in my null list. I'll go through his ISO later, my health condition isn't fully improved yet.

: shading
implosion
without giving proper reason.

: voted
Minimegabyte/the worst
slot, even if the slot claimed TPR (there was not cc and
Almost50
was leading this slot's wagon in the meantime) and as usual not personal pov was given.

, : throughout the game, you didn't say anything about suspecting
Something_Smart
, even you said on that you're hard mindmelding with him, then suddenly what happened that you started to suspect him before you moved your target over me?

In the rest of the posts, you're townreading
Almost50
and scumreading me for that.

I'll ISO diving on
implosion
later and hopefully, the mod'll still keep the thread open until then.
In post 1319, Scipio1 wrote:sure but you literally mentioned stuff from d1 and d2

258/259: mini was scummy imo, i don't see what's wrong with the fact that i pushed her d1

291/333/365/423: yeah, they didn't lead anywhere really. so what?

435/491: i said i agreed with the points and also i said earlier that her push on pooky was bad

660: you saying "i didn't have a chance to have interactions with art because i was busy" just makes it sound like you would only had them for the sake of it

751: townier than two others doesn't make him town

928/1136/1142/1154/1157: first one i didn't vote because he wasn't a viable wagon, others i didn't vote because of l-1 and hammers, etc.

983/1001: confbiased logic

1095: calling only me out for it when both s_s and std did the same thing... also a50's logic made sense even though it was wrong

1163/1176: mindmeld doesn't mean town, and poe

I thought / were fairly natural looking. Also if Scipio wanted to distance a partner here i think he would have voted them, not shade her then start a wagon elsewhere. And he didnt do that to try and distract from Art's wagon -- there was no Art wagon at the time nor really that much heat on her. Nothing strong here though

Null on the question chain, thats probably more playstyle than anything so cant really say

/ -- No one gave reasoning for Art being scum really aside from BM. After all, she was gone for the duration of the wagon so there wasn't really anything else to add

-- That's actually a really interesting take, Salsa somewhat comes off like she was planning to or was otherwise fairly aware of having / not having interactions with Art. Idk how to explain but i think Scipios response to this suggests solving

//// -- Well it comes off like Dunn is an empty slot, so not a lot to contribute to that and voting there would have been somewhat less useful

I feel like Salsa needs to take larger context into mind when analyzing player motivations, just going down an ISO isn't enough you gotta look at the areas around the posts. Implo was the only one with a wagon anyway other than Mini

-- mini was scummy

/ -- These are literally posts where Scipio has SS above other slots so idk what the point is here. SS seems like someone who got some townleans early but never fully infiltrated the town bloc and now he's slipping down PoE as suspects disappear

Not really getting any red flags here
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Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:44 pm

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idk man I'm kinda sold on and if nobody has anything to say that probably doesnt change

It also doesnt hurt that implo already thought it was SS and now just about everyone does
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Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:44 pm

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Oh yeah and the soft i forgot about that
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Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:44 pm

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Coulda just voted SS and done nothing else.
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Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:42 pm

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In post 1428, Morning Tweet wrote:Why's implo clear for you?
I have a VERY fragile memory, so I don't remember, but I'm sure I posted my reasons earlier. The one reason I do remember now is Pooky's persistence on pushing implo from the get go (and through D2). but I think I had more reasons too.

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Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:34 am

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Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:34 am

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good enough fr me
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Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:36 am

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ok well does anyone have anything left they wanna say

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Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:43 am

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Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:55 pm

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The horse says "nay".
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Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:01 pm

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VOTE: Something_Smart

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Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:11 pm

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that was mineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 4:53 pm

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VC 5.2
Not voting (2):
Something_Smart, Morning Tweet

Something_Smart (3) (HAMMER):
implosion, Almost50, Scipio1


With 3 votes, Something_Smart has been eliminated. They were a
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Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 4:54 pm

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Somethin_Smart was the last mafia.

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Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 4:56 pm

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Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 5:01 pm

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Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 5:03 pm

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You can release the mafia PT.

That should hopefully explain why I lost my motivation near the end. (Aside from me being confident implosion was the traitor because he softed to me and then defended Artemiana.)
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 5:04 pm

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The tl;dr is that the mod accidentally told Pooky he was bulletproof in his role PM, which is presumably why he played so cavalierly.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 5:06 pm

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In post 1445, Something_Smart wrote:That should hopefully explain why I lost my motivation near the end. (Aside from me being confident implosion was the traitor because he softed to me and then defended Artemiana.)
alas, i am simply foolish!
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Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 5:07 pm

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I softed to you many times ! <3


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Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 5:07 pm

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I was fairly sure you had read my softs since you did not kill me for so long lol
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