Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[Vex Vience]

the only real reason i can see that lovers in this setup wouldn't try to discuss how to read players in this game is if they have factional communication, meaning they're scum. town is on the time limit to discuss this before the game begins--scum is not

[RationalMadman]

If you had a lover would you have gone over whether claiming lovers was optimal with them this time around?

Something I forgot to mention is that I actually did this but the opposite, I said we should just out this time (in the replies I posted after her images and rant about missing Kerset).

I said it only as a passing remark though and posted quite a bit but clearly she read it or just had the same idea as she outed instantly.

However, I agree with the idea that it was pointless to discuss that anymore, I knew every single member of this cast was heavily pro-outing and didn't want to cause an issue like last time where I ended up pitted Town vs Town even though that was only minimally due to that, the attention drawn to myself was counterproductive and ended up making me scumread a lover pair who scumread me for my logic, which included opposing outing and then outing when voted.

[Vex Vience]

there is also no excuse for "oh we didn't have time to read the flips and discuss it."
bullshit.

role pms went out at 23:18 edt on may 11th.
previous setup was posted at 00:09 edt on may 12th.
everyone confirmed at 11:10 edt on may 12th, and we have the 24 hour period so lovers can talk.

[Bingle]

i would've discussed the flips and how i approach reading this game this time

Why is discussing this in the lover thread instead of the main thread better?

[Vex Vience]

rm you're currently lock town to me due to last game, plus the reasoning for asking about the lover pt discussion

pedit:
you have the two days to do so, with someone you *know* is town, so you can get their opinion on if you're heading in the right direction. let me ask you this: why *wouldn't* you want to discuss that with someone you know is town while you have the time?

[Vex Vience]

yes, you can discuss it in the main thread--and i absolutely would've--but if you're given the chance to talk in a masonry for 48 hours, you take it and use it to discuss whatever you think you can, that'd be relevant

[RationalMadman]

plus the reasoning for asking about the lover pt discussion

I didn't ask about the lover pt discussion however I understood Town-reasoning to do this last game from Llama (even though he was scum) and this game from you because a vanilla townie asking all pairs to out their discussions shows curiosity and vanilla townies are in a position of higher curiosity by default.

[Bingle]

there is also no excuse for "oh we didn't have time to read the flips and discuss it."

:/

What part of "The game was called because I knew you were town as town" flew over your head? Kerset also knew who was scum in the last iteration because he was himself scum.

Do you actually believe anything you're saying?

[Vex Vience]

jingle i'm not talking about that, and we both know it. i'm talking about discussing the flips from the last game, and using that knowledge of how people will play to your advantage for this game.

[Vex Vience]

you are way smarter than this, and the fact you're trying to pull something like this really makes me think you rolled scum.

[Kerset]

yes, you can discuss it in the main thread--and i absolutely would've--but if you're given the chance to talk in a masonry for 48 hours, you take it and use it to discuss whatever you think you can, that'd be relevant

but i don't like talking with bingle...

[Vex Vience]

and would i post it under vex if i wasn't absolutely certain of what i was saying? you said it last game, this is my tryhard account.

pedit:
you know they're town though. if i rolled lovers with rm, i wouldn't have been happy about it, but i would've absolutely seized the chance to discuss reads with them.

[Kerset]

if you want some backstory then check lylo of TM2020 mini theme

[Vex Vience]

i don't like the fact that you also jump into this discussion and just say "oh but i don't like bingle" and not add anything else.

[Vex Vience]

i feel like i can confidently read klick when they come back, so i'm going to wait until they come before i cement my read on this. i can't dismiss the possibility that you two are just town and klick/tbone are just 4d chessing me atm

[RationalMadman]

Well clearly 3 of us are lying. So to go with a theme if I want us to get the pairs first, let's get the last guy to appear.

VOTE: Klick

My stance is likely to change in like 5 pages but we gotta start somewhere.

Wait, now i know why I was confused about this vote, where on Earth is the logic that goes into voting Klick?

This may be why I confused the vote with T-bone but I am so confused right now, I honestly thought Bambi had indicate intent to vote the vanilla townie who wasn't vex earlier on. What led to vote Klick????

[Kerset]

i added 137

[RationalMadman]

i feel like i can confidently read klick when they come back, so i'm going to wait until they come before i cement my read on this. i can't dismiss the possibility that you two are just town and klick/tbone are just 4d chessing me atm

You also can't dismiss the idea that myself and Ana are scum, if we are going to state the obvious, which is something you like to do (but you did this as Town).

I also noticed that despite having a go at me for testing if you knew Lovers don't talk past D1, saying it was blatant from the PM, you said in your post last game of describing your lover PT, that you yourself had asked the very same thing to the mod. I noticed this last game after the lock happened so never got to post it, it seemed like a slip to me but it turns out there was actually a townslip that required the game to be reset in the same post so maybe I'm just not that observant.

[Vex Vience]

link me to the game as well kerest please, since i know you're here

[Bingle]

you are way smarter than this, and the fact you're trying to pull something like this really makes me think you rolled scum.

:thorface:

I can't tell if you're intentionally being dense, tbh.

[Vex Vience]

if you two are scum together, you honestly deserve the win atm because that would've required extensive planning.

[Vex Vience]

jingle, the feeling is mutual. do i need to explain it any more simply?

[Kerset]

link me to the game as well kerest please, since i know you're here

ok Mr. lazy tryhard
viewtopic.php?f=150&t=81719

[Vex Vience]

tbf i looked through both yours and bingles topics and didn't see it so

[Bingle]

VV:

Subject: Open 811 - Lovers and Losers [Day 1]

for real this time
Jingle why did you refuse to argue Vex? Is it too long or what?

I didn't?

I didn't read the isodive, because why would I. I did ask why Vex thought RM being all over the place was specifically scum indicative as that's what the tl;dr boils down to. He has no consistency and he's flailing about, which I agree is a true statement. The question is why does that make him scum?