Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[T-Bone]

Also the person among the VTs I think is scum is the leading wagon so let's not pretend that A: I haven't thought about the VTs at all, B: that I haven't repeatedly voiced this read and C: that there's anything else I need to do there. What do you want me to do, argue with VV over my read of them?

Could you link examples for B and explain why you have the read you have?

Kerset did the leg work for me as to when I first voiced it. If you're looking for a wall post, keep looking, I try not to post like that unless I feel really strongly. I don't, and I've admitted it several times, just like I have voiced this read several times. My issue that I was highlighting in post 563 was the insinuation that I either didn't have any reads on the VTs, or hiding them. Something demonstrably false just by looking at literally every post I am asked to say what I think of the VTs.

For the read itself, it's gut. Vex doesn't feel the same way they did last game. Whereas I absolutely townread Bambi, and Llama also doesn't feel the same to me as last game. If all my reads are correct, then Vex is the solve based on that. Do I know for sure? No, but that's where I'm at.

[yessiree]

VC 1.10

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

Vex Vience (2)

- LlamaFluff, Bambi Jay

Bambi Jay (2)

- RationalMadman, Kerset

T-Bone (1)

- Bingle

Bingle (1)

- Vex Vience

Kerset (1)

- Klick

Note Voting - T-Bone, Anastasia

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

[T-Bone]

VC

Nah bruh my pagetop now.

[RationalMadman]

I am probably the most townie looking player in this game right now

No you are absolutely not.

[T-Bone]

I'll say this now and pick up later,

If the vote on Bambi doesn't gain momentum, I am open to voting either pair and I do mean either. So, if you are all planning to vote Vex especially, I am going to resist it.

Vex has been Towntelling by activity and tendency to tunnel. However, if Vex's refusal to vote Bambi is what results in their downfall, then frankly I don't care.

I am very sure Bambi is the Goon, the lover pair I slightly suspect is Klick and Tbone but I genuinely can't tell. Bingle was asking much better questions and arguing farore ferocious last game as a Town Lover. This game he's still trying I guess but he seems to generically be thrpwong shade here and there (such as on Tbone) while randomly townreading someone like Bambi for something I don't understand how it's Towny. O actually am confused what Bingle explained he townreads Bambi for, is it the Klick vote? I read his explanation and didn't quite understand.

I townread Bambi so I don't think there's enough votes left to eliminate her unless you can convince one of the VTs to go with you and Kerset/Bingle...and the problem is if this is a world in which you are town, they will not go along with you to make the correct choice if Bambi happens to be the correct choice.

So knowing all that, what are you gonna do about it?

[T-Bone]

I am probably the most townie looking player in this game right now

No you are absolutely not.

It is absolutely me though. I exude town from my very core.

[Kerset]

You grasp at silly things like activity and post count (like last game) because you don't have anything real

Yes. I literally said that i can't make make my read on you, because you don't provide anything i could work with. 569

[T-Bone]

That seems like a you problem, not a me problem. You're not going to convince me that I'm scum.

[T-Bone]

Because I am using this example to demonstrate my read on you. Whether I am right or wrong, I have something that you did last game as scum and you're doing it again!

So first off, I'm not trying to convince you of your alignment, I'm trying to convince everyone else!

And what should town!tbone think when you, as scum, did something last game, and crucially

are doing the same thing again?

What should I think from your perspective, knowing these things?

[T-Bone]

Like if you're gonna blame me for your tactics and your reads then I cannot help you. You're the one doing the scummy thing, it's not my fault you're doing it.

[Kerset]

That seems like a you problem, not a me problem. You're not going to convince me that I'm scum.

Have you heard about 3 skills important for townie? Ability to identify scum, ability to let other recognize you as scum and charisma. Refusal to do the second is anti-town.

[Kerset]

ability to let other recognize you as town lol XD

[T-Bone]

And when I asked you, why you tried to use this tactic on me yesterday to help me understand why you are using the same tactic today. Bingle empty quoted the question with a snarky smiley, and you gave a snarky answer.

So I ask you again. What am I suppose to do, if you are using the same tactic you used as scum in game 1, and cannot explain why you are still doing it in game 2?

[Kerset]

And what should town!tbone think when you, as scum, did something last game, and crucially are doing the same thing again? What should I think from your perspective, knowing these things?

You can OMGUS at me if it makes you feel better but i am glad to finally see you phasing your thoughts.

[T-Bone]

Because I tried to solve this and what it means for your alignment DAYS AGO and you and your partner both quoted the question and Bingle gave me snark, and you gave me a non-answer that doesn't explain your motive at all.

So...you're failing at 'ability to make others recognize you as town' based on that alone.

Vote: Kerset

The solve, in real time, as Kerset STILL cannot explain why they are using the same scum tactic two games in a row.

[T-Bone]

And what should town!tbone think when you, as scum, did something last game, and crucially are doing the same thing again? What should I think from your perspective, knowing these things?

You can OMGUS at me if it makes you feel better but i am glad to finally see you phasing your thoughts.

Why can't you answer any of my questions?

[T-Bone]

Please note everybody else.... that Kerset asks a lot of questions, and I answer them. I ask Kerset questions, and they can't answer a single one.

[Kerset]

What do you want?

[T-Bone]

At this point, I'd like Llama and Bambi to join Klick and I on this vote.

@llama

@bambi

obnoxious @ symbol posts to ping you is a go!

[RationalMadman]

At this point, I'd like Llama and Bambi to join Klick and I on this vote.

Why are you appealing to those two Vanilla claims when Vex is the one voting Bingle? You already know Bambi was willing to vote Kerset so you know that Bambi naturally will join you yet you didn't mention Vex. If you think Vex is the Scum among the claims then why not vote Vex who already has two on themselves?

This shows me you are merely saying it for show.

UNVOTE: Bambi
VOTE: T-bone

[Bingle]

That seems like a you problem, not a me problem. You're not going to convince me that I'm scum.

Litigating your reads when people are attempting to work out both your alignment and the alignment of the people you’re claiming the reads on is very much a you problem, but I see you did expand on my question in 563. Could you likewise explain 562? I promise there’s a reason.

[Bingle]

Bingle empty quoted the question with a snarky smiley, and you gave a snarky answer.

As best I can tell the only snark I have recently is a joke post about you threatening llama. What have I failed to answer?

[Bambi Jay]

Ration going against Tbone? Good enough reason for me to trust Tbone on this. I was also voting Kerset before I got distracted by Ration annoying me.

VOTE: Kerset

[Bingle]

O actually am confused what Bingle explained he townreads Bambi for, is it the Klick vote? I read his explanation and didn't quite understand.

In this post:

I'm gonna laugh if both the former VTs Klick and Tbone are the last lover pair and Llama got single again. Regardless of which of these 3 are paired, one of the singles stayed Single. That's sad.

Bambi made a joke about it being funny if Klick and TBone were the last lover pair, before Klick and TBone outed as lovers. I thought ScumBambi would 100% know that they were for some reason, which was wrong in hindsight. (Bambi would only know Klick and Tbone were the last lover pair in advance with an exact Klick/Tbone/Bambi team) and thought it unlikely that Bambi would make a joke that risked being taken as TMI as scum when scum would be hyper aware of things like that, so I sought second opinions.

My original vote on Tbone, which is still there right now, was because he called out the Bambi post as weird but didn’t follow through on any questioning, although I didn’t explain that until right now.

[Bingle]

Ration going against Tbone? Good enough reason for me to trust Tbone on this. I was also voting Kerset before I got distracted by Ration annoying me.

VOTE: Kerset

We’re not in a rush and Tbone is actually starting to be really readable. Let me do my sorting thing, Bambi.