Open 820: The Siege of Aurelia — Game Over!

[unwnd]

Kinda cool I was 3/3 though coming into D2

[unwnd]

Oh right the game wasn't over either if PP was just scum so I had that safety net too. I impulse voted and as if you go through my ISO you can see that I wanted my place solved first because I wanted Kyouko to have a rude awakening lol

[catboi]

We have less than 3 days to deadline...I'll give the cases a look but honestly I'm going to defer judgment here because I feel as though my handle on the game isn't very good. I'll probably be selfvoting so we can get resolved in time.

[catboi]

I believe unwnd's narration of is thought process still and think there's a coherency there he doesn't possess as scum. something_smart's point about his snapvote did give me pause but I feel like scum are more likely to be careful with their progressions in that sort of instance and that recklessness more likely comes from town. But I'm just guessing.

Dunn can weigh in if he likes. Like I said I think he probably reads unwnd pretty reliably. I'm assuming T3's radio silence is a scumclaim, I'm not going to selfvote here just now for the fringe scenario where T3 hammers me to cut off input from Dunn. I think the early townread on unwnd from T3 is significantly less likely to be one on a teammate.

For what it's worth unwnd didn't feel distancing was necessary in the first iteration of this, I would keep that in mind when looking at his interactions.

[Something_Smart]

I think the early townread on unwnd from T3 is significantly less likely to be one on a teammate.

In a vacuum, maybe. But I think the way he played it is pretty damning, because as soon as the keep was finalized the townread basically dropped off the face of the earth.

He posted 382, basically putting T3 as hard town. Then, right before the end of D1, he starts setting up some doubt around it (in 565 and 599 he asserts that T3 is either scum or stubborn town, not really giving a judgement on which is more likely). 814 he insults T3, and then the next mention is 884 where he calls T3 scum.

Distancing is generally encouraged in this setup because the locations can't directly affect each other, so you can pay them lip service and not have to actually worry about contributing to killing them. But, it benefits scum to make sure they get set in locations before distancing, so they don't have to do something suboptimal just to have their actions make sense with their reads. It makes total sense to say that unwnd townread T3 early to get him in the keep, and then tried to gradually reverse that by stirring up paranoia about him being scum faking stubborn town. But there's not any indication of him using actual evidence or reasoning to reverse the read.

[catboi]

Distancing is generally encouraged in this setup because the locations can't directly affect each other, so you can pay them lip service and not have to actually worry about contributing to killing them. But, it benefits scum to make sure they get set in locations before distancing, so they don't have to do something suboptimal just to have their actions make sense with their reads. It makes total sense to say that unwnd townread T3 early to get him in the keep, and then tried to gradually reverse that by stirring up paranoia about him being scum faking stubborn town. But there's not any indication of him using actual evidence or reasoning to reverse the read.

That's technically correct, I'm just not sure either of them plays it that way. It contrasts sharply with T3's TMI-ey attack on implosion very early. But I could be overthinking it.

[Dunnstral]

Also just feel like unwnd got quiet after parking his vote on S_S.

I'm here to play devil's advocate though, I like to put the possibilities out there and weigh them

Maybe catboi and Dunnstral could weigh in

I don't think Unwnd going quiet is an indicator that they're scum

[Something_Smart]

Well, that doesn't have anything to do with what T3 would do. T3 is a known loose cannon as scum, but from what I recall unwnd played in a pretty strategic way last time in this setup.

I can't speak to his meta in general, but he does seem to be calculating enough that he would think to do something like that.

[Dunnstral]

I don't have a strong read on S_S here, but last game I felt they were town over their opponent in the 1v1, and this game they don't feel towny, they're like neutral, while Unwnd doesn't feel like scum

[Something_Smart]

I don't think Unwnd going quiet is an indicator that they're scum

I agree with this, for what it's worth. He wasn't quiet at all in D2 of the previous game, and it seemed like his quietness now was indicative of laziness and confidence, rather than risk of spewing or giving himself away or anything.

[Dannflor]

VC 2.04

The Fencer Theme

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[1] Something_Smart

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unwnd

[1] unwnd

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Something_Smart

[1] Not Voting

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PenguinPower

Keep

[3] Not Voting

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T3, catboi, Dunnstral

The Battle Phase deadline is in: (expired on 2021-08-01 23:53:26)

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[catboi]

VOTE: catboi

I'm just going to leave it in your hands now. Do what you feel is best.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: catboi

[catboi]

Good luck

[T3]

IIIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[Dannflor]

VC 2.05

The Nightwatchman

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[1] Something_Smart

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unwnd

[1] unwnd

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Something_Smart

[1] Not Voting

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PenguinPower

Keep

[2] catboi

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catboi, Dunnstral

<<< HAMMER

[1] Not Voting

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T3

The Battle Phase deadline is in: (expired on 2021-08-01 23:53:26)

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[Dannflor]

The Keep has been won! catboi was town and may no longer post. Dunnstral was town and may no longer post. T3 was mafia and may no longer post.

[PenguinPower]

fml

[PenguinPower]

fuck it - i just ate and don't feel like stressing all day

VOTE: s_s

[PenguinPower]

dann's going to make me stress the rest of the day apparently

[unwnd]

That was the right choice pp I'm town!

[PenguinPower]

given my own experience with trolling twlight- especially at endgame - i'm still stressing

[unwnd]

No gotcha here I'm truly town

[PenguinPower]

well then...

[Dannflor]

VC 2.AURELIA

How It Ends

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[2] Something_Smart

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unwnd, PenguinPower

<<< HAMMER

[1] unwnd

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Something_Smart

The Battle Phase deadline is in: (expired on 2021-08-01 23:53:26)

Mod Notes

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