Open 822: Popcorn Mafia - Game Over!!

[Pavowski]

Actually belay that. The quiet is giving me time to noodle on this and I want to game it out some more

[Pavowski]

Oh heck I borked the pagetop

[Pavowski]

Okay. Possible scenarios. This is an exploration of my paranoia, btw, as I'm envisioning all the ways this game could still go wrong. I'm assuming for the purposes of this post that I'm a townlock for you Hectic (as seems to be the situation) and that you continue to believe that as long as I don't get shot, the game can't be lost.

In that case, if Toog is town, then Vulture is scum, and vice versa.

If you shoot Toog, and Toog is town, Toog is now claiming he'd turn around and shoot Vulture. This supports your current solve of the game, as even if it's a bad shot, he's thinking like you are on my slot, which gets us to a win. (Assuming he's telling the truth, which he seems to be.) A Toog shot is, therefore, safe.

If you shoot Vulture, I'm less confident Vulture turns the gun on Toog. I do think, though, that scum!Toog can make some good-sounding arguments to at least make Vulture consider shooting me, even if he isn't currently. A Vulture shot, then, is less safe. (Unless the bird wants to come back and give us some final thoughts on this situation.)

This is all contingent on Toog's recent decision to join the town!Pav side. If he's lying, he's scum trying to dodge the bullet this round and make it to ELO (where anything can happen!). If he's telling the truth, he'll shoot scum on the last day. Either way, it's a win.

Don't get me wrong, I think Vulture is the last scum here. But if you're locked in on my slot, I think you might consider shooting Toog to ensure a town win even if the final shot is out of your hands.

The panda has been calling for the gun the entire game, after all.

[Pavowski]

And the sooner you shoot the sooner I can shut up and quit talking myself in circles on these two

[Toogeloo]

I'm 100% on the don't shoot Pav train, and agree that if paranoia is a factor, shooting me first is fine.

[Vulture]

I wish I had more motivation to post in any games lately but it's not there.

Still haven't caught up, perpetually being the guy who sucks.

You're probably right that I don't instashoot Toog if only because I hate being the person who fucks things up in ELO.

If it's Pav GG because everyone seems to be like "okay cool" about him. I should revisit the points where people were scumreading him and see if there was any merit or just scum pushing him but meh.

This is... about all you're getting from me right now.

[Hectic]

Tomorrow!

[Hectic]

I'll do the towncase and take the SHOT

[Pavowski]

Oh you tease

[Hectic]

Alright alright, let's get down to business

[Hectic]

The way Pav's played this has been super clean. Even now, he's going into depth and ISO-diving, and solving in a very believable way. You'd think if he were scum, you'd read at a couple of things and think

huh, that seems weird/dodgy

, but there have been none of those moments from Pav in the last week or so. He's unafraid to see what he wants, whereas he'd probably be more cautious about disrupting the status quo if he were scum. The more content he produces, the more likely he posts something that could slip him up. The fact he isn't in that mindset and his going gung-ho to find the last scum is very, very towny.

If he was a potential migrater from another site, who's actually secretly a god at scum, I might be a little more cautious, but he was recently a newbie, and his only scumgame is for all to view. He played fine, being the last scum to get voted out on day 5, but it's clear that that 59 post ISO doesn't even come close to the level of solving or depth that we've seen here.
Contrast that to the 189 posts here, with many more of them being wally and far more in-depth, like, we're talking ravine levels of depth here.

And then we have Lukewarm's telling behaviour around Pav:
I consistently scumread Lukewarm more and more for a part of the game. I give many reasons for why he's scum, but always place Pav below him at the bottom of my reads, advocating a shot on Pav instead. 614 621

703 - At the time of this post, Luke and Pav are my bottom two scumreads, but I continue to say Pav should be the shot over Luke. Lukewarm is unphased and does not comment, leaving me as town and also being fine with a Pav shot.

769 - I finally reconsider Pav, Luke is now my bottom scumread and preferred shot

787/794 - Luke is now scumreading me and townreading Pav

It's fairly obvious that Luke was fine with me scumreading him as long as I kept advocating Pav to be shot, as it would likely lead to a Pav-shot into Pav shooting me. But the moment Pav rose in my reads, and Luke became the prioritised shot, he shifted his strategy, scumreading me. If Pav was scum here, nothing has changed for scum!Luke from me going from Pav preferred shot to Luke preferred shot, since I was scumreading them both anyway.

However, it changes everything for Luke if Pav is town and I go from wanting to shoot Pav to wanting to shoot Luke.

The drastic shift in gameplan from Luke and the wall he pumped out to start attacking me in response is very telling imo that Pav is town.

Other than that:

This is such a delightful day for me

Luke points out I'm pretty much universally scum read and all of a sudden people are diving off the boat

I wonder what the PT looks like right now :lol:

This was really genuine and I'd be impressed if it was faked

797 - Luke's wall was really nice looking and there's no reason for his scum partner to continue advocating him to be shot over me. And his opinion does actually matter here, since at this point he was becoming UTR and the gunbearer would actually consider his view.

775 - Sweetly accurate with good reasons

[Hectic]

VOTE: Shoot: Vulture

Let's see if any of that was needed. Please heed my words if you're town, Vulture.

[Pavowski]

Not that I want to poke holes in your argument in my favor, but I do have another scum game that is not worth bragging about. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87122

Actually I dunno how indicative it is of my play as scum. This is the game I referenced where Marci and I were teamed, and things went sideways for us pretty fast after what felt like a pretty good d1.

You're right, though, I'm a true newbie, this is my sixth game.

[Hectic]

Yeah, as much as you'd like to be you're not a powerwolf this game, Pav. I know you crave it

Wanna go bowling after this? I only play on the wii though

[Pavowski]

You know, I'm just saying, it's out there. And I desperately need a scum win on my ledger.

Fook it, dude. Let's go bowling. I think this is a win.

[Pavowski]

I'm gonna have to wait til the morning for the flip, aren't I =\

[Toogeloo]

I'm just assuming Arc is writing a really good endgame flavor.

[ArcAngel9]

the never-ending war between our beloved characters is now coming to an end for this season!!!

Vulture the last surviving duck is decided to sit back and let the bunnies fight with each other. Hoping that Hectic might shoot one of the bunnies!!



But our gun-bearer Hectic is a born ARTtist.... He wanted to see a bunny dance-off first. *He points the gun at everyone and says... DANCE NOW OR EAT MY BULLET!!!!!! *

Toogeloo and Pavowski paired up quickly and declared their love for each other!!



Vulture feels that

* DANG IT......!! Do they really think I can't do better... I am going to mesmerize everyone with my singing and dancing*

He walks into the center and start dancing and sings along -

*I have been dreaamminggg of a True Love's KISS!!!!!*

That was all Hectic needed to shoot...

Hectc poits his gun at vulture and SHOOTTTTTTTSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And.............................

That's right.. He didn't miss for the worlds...

Vulture

,

MafiaGoon

, shot by gun-bearer on Day 8

Congratulations!!!

Town Wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Toogeloo

,

Vanilla Townie

, Survived and won the game

Pavowski

,

Vanilla Townie

, Survived and won the game

Hectic

,

gun-bearer

, Survived and won the game

Here is the link to the Dead PT :
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=87362

Mafia can share their PT if they want too.

Thank you everyone for playing. If you have any feedback about my modding or game. Please feel free to share.
Love you all

Angel

[Pavowski]

Not gonna lie. I poked around on the wiki and saw that Toog has a scary high win rate as scum and I was very nervous if Vulture flipped town.

Nice shooting Hectic and GG all!

[ArcAngel9]

I honestly thought Hectic will shoot Toog first... but regardless Toggg would have shot Vulture.

This is well-earned victory for town.

[ArcAngel9]

i am not going to lie but this is a hard setup for scum. I only saw 1 out of 4 games scum has won this setup. It takes a lot of fooling to convenience gun-bearers to shoot town.

[Pavowski]

I dunno. I think the game could easily have gone down to the final 3. It was legit almost a coin flip between Toog and vulture for me. I figured if hectic shot Toog it would be a win, but if Vulture flipped town I was way less confident since I had basically stopped trying to look town when Hectic townlocked me.

[Pavowski]

i am not going to lie but this is a hard setup for scum. I only saw 1 out of 4 games scum has won this setup. It takes a lot of fooling to convenience gun-bearers to shoot town.

You're probably right, I think best chance for scum is a fast-paced game and a win before town has a chance to find its feet.

[T3]

GG

[ArcAngel9]

i am not going to lie but this is a hard setup for scum. I only saw 1 out of 4 games scum has won this setup. It takes a lot of fooling to convenience gun-bearers to shoot town.

You're probably right, I think best chance for scum is a fast-paced game and a win before town has a chance to find its feet.

I have another balanced setup but it is a pretty large setup.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... corn_Mafia

Making scum vengeful in 11p setup brings challenges with the balance. (extremely scum sided game)

I will run Mega poo-corn sometime if i see there is an appetite for the game.