Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]

[Cephrir]

Missed those posts in particular

and yet impressively you still haven't commented on them

[morph the cat]

NGL I'd hoped that Penguin-Ceph would become a snarky sarcastic trollface solving powerhouse of a dynamic duo.....

And then I'd just proxy our vote there and ride off into the sunset.

2022 off to a sucky start for my hopes and dreams.

[Tejate Raichu]

and im already scumreading you/yours is the wagon we derailed to do this.

Fair, I suppose. I didn't expect to suddenly get townread by anyone, frankly I'm surprised my wagon fell apart anyways. I understand that if redtea flips town it looks really bad for me, but quite frankly I've been playing out the latter half of this day by forcing myself into the mindset of already being in dead thread, so I'm surprised there was a switch at all.

[Tejate Raichu]

That being said, I'm not exactly sure how Meg ties into me being scum. I've actually barely interacted with the slot outside of saying that I didn't find his entry to be that scummy off of meta I've seen in 2085. He replaced into a slot that I was close to straight up just locktowning, but the entry struck me as so scummy that I pushed him to E-1 (or rather fake E-1, not trusting player written VC ever again).

[Tejate Raichu]

Alright well, I'm gone. Have a good weekend folks.

[MegAzumarill]

Missed those posts in particular

and yet impressively you still haven't commented on them

You seem to have misunderstood what I meant by quick elimination.

I was referring to quick eliminations from daystart rather than just fast forming wagons. Hence the allusion to mechsolves, I want any cops to be able to out their result before an elimination. Besides Quick lims off of daystart isn't enjoyable for anyone involved.

Besides the redtea wagon has been fairly reasonably considered an option for a while for me at least
It's a difficult to read slot that I think has a decent chance of being scum. Especially considering the interactions of GL and Shirou about it it gives us something at least.

[numberQ]

Didn't mean to be away for so long, a looming deadline at work has kept me scrambling madly the past 3 days. But the deadline has passed so I'm planning to get back into this tomorrow. I see I missed another 15 pages soooo I will definitely try to read all of that. But I'm expecting it goes the same way that my attempt to read ~20 pages I missed on D1 went. i.e., I'll get some percentage of the way through before my eyes glaze over.

[Amazonian Legends]

Though granted, putting imaginality at E-1 was probably a bit hasty, one of a few things I regret doing last night. Don't play mafia when your brain is melting, kids.

yeah this post still sucks

Your posts on this page have been golden.

[MegAzumarill]

mmmmmm
I'ma say it
I don't wanna
but i should
it looks scummy af
but like it's the truth
but like I'm also probably just stupid
or I'm right
ahhhhhhhhhhh

[MegAzumarill]

I think fua's play lines up incredibly well with a no kill gambit from scum n1.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

I am not saying we should eliminate fua (we shouldn't really even consider it until they post their result)

This has been hanging over my head all day phase but it's a genuine concern of mine.

[Amazonian Legends]

Can you talk more about it? What specific parts of their play is giving you that concern?

[MegAzumarill]

The idea of having all doctors on them as an excuse to endgame.

That mafia 'decided' to attack the only person that people said for doctors to go on.

The random premature day 1 cop claim. (As if town would have read the post and then A agreed with the misunderstood strategy that is very +scum, and B misunderstood the strategy in the first place and C fua not claiming their night when they claimed in response to a post about the specific night they do their action)
Fua treating that claim as instant confirmed towniness when town should know that shouldn't exempt you from squat.


Your own delay in announcing your protection.
Moreover, the odds scum would assume a town doctor would be on fua because of said claim.

The fact we don't gain an elimination AND have less info today because of the no kill. It would be beneficial to no kill there for scum without the above. (Maybe not optimal but certainly viable)

That I would otherwise be vouching for a fua lim if they were doing their current play not in this situation

[MegAzumarill]

All signs point to scum!fua but it can easily just be town with a 90% clear

It's maddening

[MegAzumarill]

Spoiler: TLDR Version

[implosion]

How long have you been thinking this for?

I'm interested in why you're willing to go into such detail here when your posts have generally been very terse.

[MegAzumarill]

Since about the start of day 2

I'm most likely wrong and it's paranoia but I felt like it should be said.

Also didn't wanna because it plays very much into my scum meta

[MegAzumarill]

Like this the exact kind of case I'd pull as scum to try to kill fua if I wanted to do that

I don't want to kill fua but I also don't want to lose to the potential scum!fua at least without a fight

[fua]

No, I get what Mega is saying. I'm actually paranoid of the Amazons for the same reason.

[Amazonian Legends]

There wasn’t really a delay from us though. It was clear we had something going on with fua, but penguin was hoping to get some useful reaction. I don’t think we got anything telling but it read to me like fua th ought we had a cop clear.

It’s not impossible though. It’s just that I’m not sure who would don’t that in this playerlist.

[Amazonian Legends]

No, I get what Mega is saying. I'm actually paranoid of the Amazons for the same reason.

You should be paranoid of me. I’m very scary scum player RAWR!

[Cephrir]

Also didn't wanna because it plays very much into my scum meta

[Amazonian Legends]

I think copping Shirou would be a slightly odd thing for scum-tejate to come up with the idea to suggest.

eh really? I kinda think trying to make me people cop me for ~paranoia~ is kinda very pro-scum because it wouldn't really clear anyone from the miselimination pool so...it's kinda a solid thing for scum to recommend/suggest/think about?

Maybe you're talking about how Tejate wouldn't come up with this idea because of his personality or experience, but I would kinda disagree anyway, he was already on the trajectory of reconsidering me.

I don't think he's likely to come up with the idea as scum, yeah, feels like the kind of thing relatively new scum would have to think fairly out of the box to say.

Also notably if relevant for later, this is probably a really strong anti partner tell (if you're both scum it'd be quite wild for tejate to suggest this)

If raichu is scum he wouldn’t have to come up with it on his own.

[morph the cat]

No, I get what Mega is saying. I'm actually paranoid of the Amazons for the same reason.

You should be paranoid of me. I’m very scary scum player RAWR!

Aww.

You probably are? I don't believe this is the game I play against scum you, though, for a mountain of reasons.

[Amazonian Legends]

Also didn't wanna because it plays very much into my scum meta

I kinda liked that post!

[Amazonian Legends]

No, I get what Mega is saying. I'm actually paranoid of the Amazons for the same reason.

You should be paranoid of me. I’m very scary scum player RAWR!

Aww.

You probably are? I don't believe this is the game I play against scum you, though, for a mountain of reasons.

Lol I don’t think I’m close to a scary scum player. I’ll admit to having some good scum games, some in which I burned every meta tell I’m able to to win. I just find it amusing for anyone to be paranoid of me right now when all I can imagine is my first scum game in years being a flaming pile of embarrassing crap. I hope I prove myself wrong.

I was chuckling at the idea of me being ballsy enough to do a no kill gambit and let a claimed cop survive while claiming to heal them. Scum!me is pretty afraid of cops. My first game I played I was scum who was pretty oddly town read and the cop got outedbut I didn’t understand what it meant, let him live and was eliminated the next day. Damn you faraday (best reader of me ever btw). I think the only time I was ballsy like that was leaving a cop alive at f5 to purposefully check me and no kill to have reck pretend to heal him so that reck could win at f3. That cop was so smug; the guilt at seeing how played he was by reck was ouch. Ah nostalgia good times.