Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]

[fua]

Let's go. Let's go.

I knew it.

I can't believe we actually won somehow.

[fua]

@Catboi Thank you for hosting this game!

[catboi]

I would have probably scumread me off of d2 play either. Looking back, it reminded me a lot of how I played town in the SH days. I believe I mentioned before but in SH's heyday, I actually used to be way better at scum than town. As scum I would pull off these crazy plays, direct bullets, and get people to trust me enough to elect me chancellor. Then as town, I would say the most incriminating shit feasible.

thought you played a good game, your early reads were actually pretty on point. I was scared I might be throwing you into the deep end by inviting you after 1 game in the newbie queue but I felt you held your own here.

@Catboi Thank you for hosting this game!

Thanks for joining! I had to make a last second rush to get this to not get pulled, and I'm glad it ended up running after all.

[Shirou]

also nice chainsaw man art catboi!

thanks for modding, it was stressing but since we won it was fun.

sorry for messing up on pronouns early on, I think I got better by the end though. I was just unsure of what to call Meg/Enchant but kept forgetting about directly asking.

[Tejate Raichu]

I think it was a fine play to do SvS cop check, but it may have been worth it to try claiming a later night. As we saw here, N1 cop claim with alive target is almost bound to get elimmed or checked at some point, just for the info. The mech seems to favor scum!cop claims to claim mid or later nights.

[GuiltyLion]

wahoo!! gg everybody. Thanks for modding catboi, the game was smoothly run and replacements were quick, I had a ton of fun

Felt like one of those games where I was fighting with town a lot but glad it all seemed to resolve itself well in the end. I think this was a tough playlist to roll scum against and I'm also surprised the current scum winrate is what it is, feels like kind of a nightmare for scum mechanically with all the cop shots flying around. I'm definitely curious to see the reasoning of the AL kill on N2 in particular I would have thought taking out a cop would have been a bigger priority there.

thanks for playing everybody it was an enjoyable experience for me and I hope it was the same for you all as well! I apologize that I got a bit salty/aggro with Shirou, implo, and fua at points this game, there were a few times it felt like everyone was suspecting me and I let it rile me up a bit more than I should have. but glad it didn't ever compromise the game state and we were still able to block it out and win!!

[Tejate Raichu]

I would have probably scumread me off of d2 play either. Looking back, it reminded me a lot of how I played town in the SH days. I believe I mentioned before but in SH's heyday, I actually used to be way better at scum than town. As scum I would pull off these crazy plays, direct bullets, and get people to trust me enough to elect me chancellor. Then as town, I would say the most incriminating shit feasible.

thought you played a good game, your early reads were actually pretty on point. I was scared I might be throwing you into the deep end by inviting you after 1 game in the newbie queue but I felt you held your own here.

I was honestly a bit surprised that both of my hard scumreads for day 1 were correct. I guess I'm improving on that front. My secret is that I've been scrolling Vigilante and forcing myself to shoot night 2 in Town of Salem recently. Thank you for the invite and modding, by the way!

[Tejate Raichu]

Also I just want to say to GL, the reason I hammered even though I knew you didn't want me to is because the game seemed to be heading to a point where both of your competitors were going to get elimmed over you. So anything you had to say on the matter wouldn't really have changed the outcome.

[catboi]

PTs:

Dead/Spectator: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88531
Mod: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88528
Scum: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88529

mafia team has 24 hours to request any redactions to their PT.


The setup:

Mafia: Cephrir, numberQ, redtea

Cops: nsg (N4), implosion (N3), fua (N3), Shirou (N3)

Doctors: Ydrasse (N2), imaginality (N2), morph (N5), tejate raichu (N3), GuiltyLion (N5), Amazonian Legends (N1)

[MegAzumarill]

ggwp all

thx for modding catboi

[implosion]

I guess this explains why the midgame was such a slog.

[catboi]

also nice chainsaw man art catboi!

TY, was running out of ideas for stuff to post and i was like, hey wait,

power

[Tejate Raichu]

I guess this explains why the midgame was such a slog.

How do you mean?

[implosion]

Ceph and nq being scum, with people calling nq's claim town at the time, meant that redtea was the only scum who was really meaningfully in the lim pool for a long time.

[GuiltyLion]

btw Tejate you did a great job sticking through the suspicion/wagon on D2, I don't remember exactly when it was but there was a point where it suddenly clicked for me that you were town and you deserve props/credit for being able to towntell through a difficult D2 there

I find that my early reads are often more accurate than my later game reads, and I definitely think reads can be even better if you go through and reread the early game again once you know most players' alignments. I generally feel most people are better at scum as the game plan becomes more clear and slots have dirtied themselves throwing bad accusations around, it's really hard to establish a comfortable opening as scum and I also think townies are often able to more accurately detect real indicators/tells early because they aren't tunneled/stuck on incorrect reads yet.

[Shirou]

thanks for playing everybody it was an enjoyable experience for me and I hope it was the same for you all as well! I apologize that I got a bit salty/aggro with Shirou, implo, and fua at points this game, there were a few times it felt like everyone was suspecting me and I let it rile me up a bit more than I should have. but glad it didn't ever compromise the game state and we were still able to block it out and win!!

Sorry for the D2 stuff as well.

I got so riled up with you pushing me that I biased myself on your alignment and did stuff that I regretted almost instantly due to becoming less sure you really were scum after a few minutes/seconds had passed.

When I get too angry/stressed about something I do very questionable actions...

[Tejate Raichu]

Yeah, my issue is that I just have a tendency to lose confidence too easy. I should have gone harder on an nQ wagon, but I just didn't have it in me at the time. I was so ready to throw him off of Mount Everest, but I think you were the only one who really shared that sentiment at the time. And thank you, at some point I just kind of realized that defending myself isn't going to help the gamestate at all. I started talking under the assumption that I was already going to die.

And yeah, figuring out last scum was difficult for me for that reason. I still wasn't 100% on Ceph because... he just didn't feel scummy to me in the early game. But I guess fua saw something I didn't.

I think we can all agree that day 2 was very rough for town. In hindsight, had I been mis-elimmed there, there's a very good chance that nQ and Ceph may have gotten away with it.

[GuiltyLion]

no worries Shirou! I know how emotionally aggravating it can be especially if you feel your scumread is controlling the game. and I definitely don't think you ever did anything you need to apologize for, just defended scum a little too much for my liking ;P

[Tejate Raichu]

imaginality N1 ---> Me D2 ---> ??? N2 ---> redtea D3 ---> probably fua N3 ---> really bad position

[catboi]

Ceph and nq being scum, with people calling nq's claim town at the time, meant that redtea was the only scum who was really meaningfully in the lim pool for a long time.

Definitely yes, when a game feels hard it's usually because someone is being miscleared so all the potential eliminations are on town.

[imaginality]

Also if Shirou had ended up being the lim over NQ yesterday I think scum would have had a good chance of winning from there?

Well played town, good recovery from an atrocious* mislim D1

Thanks for modding, catboi!

Well done scum for trying something, I think this setup would be hard to win as scum without pulling something sneaky.

*not really, I know my play D1 was far from great

[Tejate Raichu]

I still think that nQ's play could have worked had he claimed a later night. With a N1 cop claim, I feel like the information is just... too powerful to NOT flip. Even while I was hard scumreading Shirou, I acknowledged that mechanically it made a lot more sense to lim nQ.

And imaginality, you should have hopped on board the nQ train! We could have taken the brakes off the damn thing. Then again I share responsibility for your elim and my own being proposed by doing that weird vote into immediate unvote thing.

[fua]

I think my play was not that great, but it was really fun either way.

[GuiltyLion]

I kinda like the suggestion in the dead/spec thread about running this setup where scum have one night RB abilities. I think the biggest problem with this setup is it's not too much of a drawback to claim early if the docs claim or if we have multiple cops on a single night, both of which happened at points this game. the mech speculation was interesting and a major part of the game at times, which made the game a fun/unique experience, but IMO it feels like it would make things a bit more even if there were a little more disincentive for town to claim, and claiming to be RB'd could help give scum an avenue where they aren't forced to clear or protect certain players.

[Tejate Raichu]

I kinda like the suggestion in the dead/spec thread about running this setup where scum have one night RB abilities. I think the biggest problem with this setup is it's not too much of a drawback to claim early if the docs claim or if we have multiple cops on a single night, both of which happened at points this game. the mech speculation was interesting and a major part of the game at times, which made the game a fun/unique experience, but IMO it feels like it would make things a bit more even if there were a little more disincentive for town to claim, and claiming to be RB'd could help give scum an avenue where they aren't forced to clear or protect certain players.

Still skimming over dead PT, I saw this suggestion agree with this somewhat. Could be a neat change. I'm kinda reeling a bit at how many people are spectating this game. I can't believe so many people had to see my awful end of D1 play.