Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]

[RH9]

I kinda like the suggestion in the dead/spec thread about running this setup where scum have one night RB abilities. I think the biggest problem with this setup is it's not too much of a drawback to claim early if the docs claim or if we have multiple cops on a single night, both of which happened at points this game. the mech speculation was interesting and a major part of the game at times, which made the game a fun/unique experience, but IMO it feels like it would make things a bit more even if there were a little more disincentive for town to claim, and claiming to be RB'd could help give scum an avenue where they aren't forced to clear or protect certain players.

Still skimming over dead PT, I saw this suggestion agree with this somewhat. Could be a neat change. I'm kinda reeling a bit at how many people are spectating this game. I can't believe so many people had to see my awful end of D1 play.

I missed most of it (partially because I was being a bad spectator and not paying that much attention).

[Shirou]

I think this setup is anywhere between very balanced and very unbalanced based on randomization.

I don't mean randomization as only what roles/nights are randed though, I mean randomization as in "are the cops also the most beneficial players to nightkill considering dayplay?"

I enjoy swingy setups but I feel like scum should have...some kind of counterplay to do here rather than solely rely on randomization not being atrocious for them...

[RH9]

Personally, I think that scum should get Night-Specific JKs so that they don't RB the NK target.

[Shirou]

A rather good point for scum!Ceph in my head by the end was the Amazonian NK. I think this game is a rare case where NK speculation was useful.

Wanted to point this out because I think in the final day or close to it, looking on the nightkills collectively on hindsight can actually tell us one thing or two, and not many people do that nowadays (or accept that as valid arguments).

It's easy to do one single WIFOM nightkill, but it's hard for scum to always do WIFOM NKs without cornering themselves.

[Cephrir]

Meh, ok, I'm just glad it's over

[Cephrir]

I felt that a gambit was the only way we were ever winning this game. I stand by that.

[Cephrir]

Also, the setup feels just sort of brutal as scum... you have to watch yourself get slowly boxed into a corner and all you can do is cry about it

Redtea not doing anything was an almost insurmountable obstacle

[catboi]

I think this was a tough playlist to roll scum against and I'm also surprised the current scum winrate is what it is, feels like kind of a nightmare for scum mechanically with all the cop shots flying around.

Was my anticipation pregame it was going to be tough for scum, I think they did better than expected for quite a while but by the end there wasn't much of a path to victory available. Not sure what led to the current win rate, my impression is it's quite a tough setup for scum, based on this game and one I played offsite. I think there have been some creative/gutsy scumteams in the past, and also probably some suboptimal play, but I think it's aso heavily luck dependent. This game, there were certain factors lik town players claiming early and being townread for it that mae the game very tough for scum. It was also a bit lucky in that there were doctors for nights 1, 2, and 3 who were able to protect fua - at least I think it's lucky, I cn't work out the exact math for the probability of that.

[Tejate Raichu]

Well, thank you for the game regardless of weird mech stuff catboi. Feel free to send an invite my way if you want to host something again soon.

[catboi]

Well, thank you for the game regardless of weird mech stuff catboi. Feel free to send an invite my way if you want to host something again soon.

Thanks for playing!


And thanks to everyone else as well!


I do want to try my hand at theme game modding at some point but my next game is probably going to be mountainous.

[Tejate Raichu]

Good ol vanilla mafia or will there be some non-standard gimmick outside of the lack of PRs? I heard talk of a dance game a lot in this thread.

[catboi]

Just mountainous straight up, 9:2. The dance games are more of a seasonal thing, still too soon since the last one

[Tejate Raichu]

Well, I might be interested. It'd be a good way to brush up on my reads, if nothing else.

[Prism]

Just mountainous straight up, 9:2. The dance games are more of a seasonal thing, still too soon since the last one

You can't do this to me while I'm on hiatus. This is illegal.

[RH9]

Just mountainous straight up, 9:2. The dance games are more of a seasonal thing, still too soon since the last one

Isn't the EV of 9:2 Mountainous, 35.2% for Town and 64.8% for scum?

[numberQ]

WHEW

That was rough. The D2 cop claim gambit was because we felt we needed something bold to overcome the doc protect N1. I think it took us pretty far, though yeah, it did end up making it so my death made sense from a purely mechanical perspective. Which is... really not a great feeling as scum.

gg town, and thanks for modding catboi!

[numberQ]

Also, hope this isn't a faux pas, but I thought this was an excellent playerlist so I want to shamelessly plug a game I have in the open queue right now. It's a setup of my own devising, and there's less than a week left before it gets kicked. No pressure but if you think the setup looks interesting, feel free to sign up!

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=86437&p=13234907#p13234907

[RH9]

Also, hope this isn't a faux pas, but I thought this was an excellent playerlist so I want to shamelessly plug a game I have in the open queue right now. It's a setup of my own devising, and there's less than a week left before it gets kicked. No pressure but if you think the setup looks interesting, feel free to sign up!

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=86437&p=13234907#p13234907

Don't worry! That's what catboi did in the postgame of Newbie 2079.

[Tejate Raichu]

Just mountainous straight up, 9:2. The dance games are more of a seasonal thing, still too soon since the last one

Isn't the EV of 9:2 Mountainous, 35.2% for Town and 64.8% for scum?

I believe it, but that's kind of the fun part about mountainous right? You don't have any mech to really fall back on. The odds are not in your favor if you're bad at reading people.

Also nQ, if it makes you feel any better if your death didn't make so much sense from a mechanical standpoint I would have just hard pushed to turbolim Shirou then and there. Also, sure, I'm game if it doesn't fill by the time I'm done typing.

[catboi]

Also, hope this isn't a faux pas, but I thought this was an excellent playerlist so I want to shamelessly plug a game I have in the open queue right now. It's a setup of my own devising, and there's less than a week left before it gets kicked. No pressure but if you think the setup looks interesting, feel free to sign up!

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=86437&p=13234907#p13234907

I encourage shameless advertisig especially since I had to fight to get this one to fill. Unfortunately I'm taking a break from signing up for new games for a while or I'd return the favor.

[numberQ]

Just mountainous straight up, 9:2. The dance games are more of a seasonal thing, still too soon since the last one

Isn't the EV of 9:2 Mountainous, 35.2% for Town and 64.8% for scum?

I believe it, but that's kind of the fun part about mountainous right? You don't have any mech to really fall back on. The odds are not in your favor if you're bad at reading people.

Also nQ, if it makes you feel any better if your death didn't make so much sense from a mechanical standpoint I would have just hard pushed to turbolim Shirou then and there. Also, sure, I'm game if it doesn't fill by the time I'm done typing.

Shirou dying D5 was probably our last hope, so it does make me feel slightly better lol

[numberQ]

Also, hope this isn't a faux pas, but I thought this was an excellent playerlist so I want to shamelessly plug a game I have in the open queue right now. It's a setup of my own devising, and there's less than a week left before it gets kicked. No pressure but if you think the setup looks interesting, feel free to sign up!

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=86437&p=13234907#p13234907

I encourage shameless advertisig especially since I had to fight to get this one to fill. Unfortunately I'm taking a break from signing up for new games for a while or I'd return the favor.

No worries! I'm probably taking a break from playing as well for a bit. I can only handle so much mafia in a row.

[Shirou]

Shirou dying D5 was probably our last hope, so it does make me feel slightly better lol

me not dying was due to the mech but can we laugh at the fact that not only every townie wanted me to die, but I also personally truly wanted to die for 3 in-game days (and therefore IRL weeks), and brought that up multiple times trying to find a way where it was optimal for us to start some kind of plan by eliminating me, but survived until endgame?

I couldn't stop paying attention/caring about this game, but at the same time it was distracting me a bit too much from some other stuff I need to focus on right now. I didn't want to replace out because I used to replace out a lot in the past and therefore vowed to stop that behavior whenever possible (and it was possible really, I just wanted the commitment to be done asap, either by winning the game by turboeliminating, or by getting eliminated myself).

[MegAzumarill]

Also, hope this isn't a faux pas, but I thought this was an excellent playerlist so I want to shamelessly plug a game I have in the open queue right now. It's a setup of my own devising, and there's less than a week left before it gets kicked. No pressure but if you think the setup looks interesting, feel free to sign up!

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=86437&p=13234907#p13234907

I encourage shameless advertisig especially since I had to fight to get this one to fill. Unfortunately I'm taking a break from signing up for new games for a while or I'd return the favor.

Well if you encourage it....

Here's the link to the mini theme queue where my Fusion Upick is up. It has 2 slots left and is similar to this setup as it's confirmed role madness. I understand if people are burned out on role madness though after this.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87722

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can’t believe y’all would torment my friend Shirou like this.