In post 1536, GuiltyLion wrote: In post 1520, Shirou wrote:At the same time this makes your claim a bit more believable, it also kinda reeks of TMI by how much you trust that Ydrasse was telling the truth there, which may be a sign you knew she was town, because as scum it's easier to believe what comes from townies is just the truth.
why does scum!imaginality decide to stick with the whole "I'm a night 2 doc" pseudo-counterclaim as an argument to push/suspect Ydrasse anyway?
It's the main thing that makes me think he might be town, I don't think scum would decide in advance to fakeclaim that particular night/role and use it as a reason to push someone who isn't at all likely to get limmed here, just doesn't feel like a natural play for scum
By the same tune though, I'm not sure why people want to claim their night at all. It really doesn't offer town much in term of advantages, while giving scum some ideas for night actions.
In post 1537, GuiltyLion wrote: In post 1519, imaginality wrote:I'm also wary of Tejate proclaiming he was reconsidering me not for the reasons whoever said earlier about Tej being my scumbuddy, but rather with me being town, I see it as a way where Tej can look like he's unsure about my flip without doing anything to push another wagon and giving himself room to rejoin my wagon.
That said, I don't think the timing of Tej's reconsidering post is as suspicious as people are making out though (Shirou in #1494 and maybe someone else earlier?). Like Tej said it's not unreasonable to want to reread someone even in the absence of new content, considering it felt like the game was taking a breather at that moment.
Also, Shirou's argument that Tejate is trying to divert from me falls apart when I flip town. So to my mind there are three possibilities here about why Shirou is pushing this point:
1. Shirou is town and believes he's making a good point against Tejate.
2. Shirou is scum and thinks making it look like Tejate is a plausible buddy for me will help get my mislim over the line
3. Shirou is scumbuddies with Tejate and knows this attack on Tejate will be invalidated once I flip, making Tejate look better than if Shirou hadn't called him scummy over this, while helping them with distancing
(2 and 3 could both be true.)
this whole post kinda vibes town to me
I held off on responding to this whole conversation because I wanted to really do my best to think it through this time instead of just running off the nearest cliff edge and hoping for the best. There are things I like and dislike about this post in particular.
I was actually thinking of calling out Shirou's claim that the timing makes it suspicious, with my specific reason for doubting being... why would I do this as scum? If imaginality is my scumbuddy, and a wagon is rapidly forming on him; what is my motivation to vote, and then immediately unvote for an unrelated reason? If you think it was some sort of WIFOM "no scum would be dumb enough to do this" play, it clearly didn't work judging by how people are now intensifying suspicion on me for it. Furthermore, this does not really serve as an adequate defense for imaginality either, the wagon very much has its wheels. If I wanted desperately to move the wagon off of scum!imaginality and onto town!redtea, why would I not just start cultivating a wagon on redtea? Why go through the process of making that vote at all?
I have certainly made the classic "3 or more options for what is happening here" posts, so that doesn't really strike me as off. I've also put emphasis on the options where someone is scum before, so that doesn't either. However, that last little bit pings me a bit. If I were making a post like this, instead of just saying "2 and 3 could both be true" I would just make an option 4. It sticks out as a strange way to frame the argument, since it creates a fourth option where Shirou is scum while also putting large amounts of emphasis on the 2 other options.
