Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)

[furtiveglance]

Outside of vengeful claims I think Korina/Beat look Prime and Bella/Cat/Titus for Leader.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also I'd like everyone to give input on who they think is likely Cult outside of the Vengeful claims. BBT, includes you.

Why would we need to do this?

[Jacket]

Of course he game finally blows up on a Friday night when I'm not around to read it

[Jacket]

Here's a thought: What if CL decided to claim vengeful.

This is partly because I'm not over my RH9 sus.

I don't think this ever happens. at some point if we ever decide to resolve the vengeful claims, the cultist in them always dies and the leader dying is a loss for cult.

[Jacket]

For anyone wondering;

Good catch.
Do you think that BBT should be Venged?

Could you remind me when to watch out for Vengeful claims?

This *could* be scum with great foresight but I just don't see it.

RH9 is looking for advice from someone they believe is town on how to play his role.

If we agree that Scum!Jacket isn't first to claim, then that leaves Nathan.

I'm in line with Korina's thinking on elimming a Cultist.

That's not a bad point.

UNVOTE:

I still don't favor voting in venge claims, though.

[Jacket]

Plainly, game won instantly after Cult Leader is dead, so it's always in benefit to simple massclaim D1.

On D2 and afterwards, assuming someone is converted, there will be always doubt that PR is converted and traded claims with Cult Leader to let him not look suspicious.

So... Yep. From my POV i have 1/10 chance to hit CL, if every PR claims without challenge, it turns in 1/7.

Why not?

Can't the PRs prove themselves on later days, though? I don't see why they need to out now.

For what it's worth: I hadn't fully read the setup rules at the time. I had assumed if a vengeful was culted, they would lose their venge. I didn't expect to be a likely cut target and figured I could hold off until later days and prove myself then. The more I thought about what Enchant was saying, though, the more claiming Day 1 made sense.

[Korina]

I still think killing the vengefuls today are good, because it stops the double-lim from going to cult

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Jacket, I'm happy to go with Bella, Cat or Titus.

Choose one and I'm in.

Pedit - Korina I don't understand?

[Beat]

I also find your push on nathaan and me weird. Like, you've decided that cult 'play like x' but I think nathaan is townie, then you've shoved me in the same slots as korina and Titus who've posted a lot less content than me. Like, there's a solid 5ish players that have between 30-41 posts, and then only you above that.

I think you might be jumping at shadows? I don't think scum leader bbt has this many casual bad takes.

I dont like this post, it feels like trying to delegate an elim to an inactive slot.

[Beat]

I still think killing the vengefuls today are good, because it stops the double-lim from going to cult

???

Explain this

[Titus]

I'm sorry I've fallen behind. I had a major setback with my PTSD. I'll post content tmo or late tonight.

If we have two claimed vengefuls, then we have two conftown to get reads around to see who pushed them. If we have more than two, the vengefuls are a great place to eliminate. If we guess wrong, the vengeful can shoot another claim and we use them to sort scum.

[Enchant]

I'm sorry I've fallen behind. I had a major setback with my PTSD. I'll post content tmo or late tonight.

If we have two claimed vengefuls, then we have two conftown to get reads around to see who pushed them. If we have more than two, the vengefuls are a great place to eliminate. If we guess wrong, the vengeful can shoot another claim and we use them to sort scum.

You know that it's unlikely that Cult Leader are among vengeful claimers right?

[furtiveglance]

I'm sorry I've fallen behind. I had a major setback with my PTSD. I'll post content tmo or late tonight.

If we have two claimed vengefuls, then we have two conftown to get reads around to see who pushed them. If we have more than two, the vengefuls are a great place to eliminate. If we guess wrong, the vengeful can shoot another claim and we use them to sort scum.

You know that it's unlikely that Cult Leader are among vengeful claimers right?

I agree with you, althought the CL fakeclaim gambit has crossed my mind. But think of it like this. Assuming there's a Prime Cultist in the three claims, voting in there today gives us (probably) 1 or 2 conf not CL at the end of today, and associatives from the Prime Cultist we discover. So it's like a lead on the CL either way.

[Beat]

Voting outside of there gives us basically confirmed 3 not CL and a chance of winning outright.

I dont think its the move today

[Beat]

Voting outside of there gives us basically confirmed 3 not CL and a chance of winning outright.

I dont think its (limming inside of venge claims)the move today

EBWOP

[Titus]

I'm sorry I've fallen behind. I had a major setback with my PTSD. I'll post content tmo or late tonight.

If we have two claimed vengefuls, then we have two conftown to get reads around to see who pushed them. If we have more than two, the vengefuls are a great place to eliminate. If we guess wrong, the vengeful can shoot another claim and we use them to sort scum.

You know that it's unlikely that Cult Leader are among vengeful claimers right?

Correct but the claims are significantly delayed to allow us to find the cultist. The worst scenario is that we kill the two vengefuls and then leave the cultist alive until elo minus 1 day to prevent gambit of cult leader.

[Jacket]

Got the answer to the question earlier in thread.

So, is it still +ev to elim RH9 and shoot in the less active players? A) They need sorting and B) they're playing exactly how CL should play.

Can't we just vote in the less active players anyway?

[Titus]

Finding a confscum gives us a better chance of finding the CL.

[Jacket]

Jacket, I'm happy to go with Bella, Cat or Titus.

Choose one and I'm in.

Pedit - Korina I don't understand?

Sorry, still reading

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Finding a confscum gives us a better chance of finding the CL.

Titus, have you looked through the 3 Vengeful claims?

I feel I put a pretty solid case forward for why Nathan is the Cultist

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, if the CL is someone like you (Titus) or Cat, we learn very little in terms of a Cultist flip because you simply haven't got enough game content to go off

[Titus]

Finding a confscum gives us a better chance of finding the CL.

Titus, have you looked through the 3 Vengeful claims?

I feel I put a pretty solid case forward for why Nathan is the Cultist

No. I have not.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Please ISO me and take a look

[Beat]

I could see Cat being s/s aligned with bella.
Cat is basically reaffirming bella's own defense and it doesnt feel like a natural read because it doesnt address why bella cant be cult.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Links between Bella and Nathan, too.