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[catboi]

Vote Count 1.07

Oh, she came on with an alligator smile
Dynamite lover, scorpion child
Trying to get to heaven 'fore the sun goes down, yeah

ProfessorDrapion (3):

Not Known 15, Roden, MegAzumarill

Not Known 15 (3):

Fredrick A Campbell, Elements, Malakittens

MathBlade (1):

ProfessorDrapion

Elements (1):

MathBlade

Fredrick A Campbell (1):

Gamma Emerald

With 9 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is September 28 at 11:00 AM EDT.

Deadline Timer:

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[Gamma Emerald]

CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI

This is incorrect.

If I was cult leader and thought I was going down I would know a limited space of which setups would exist and then claim a PR of that. Then by other players reactions I would know where the PRs were and would guide my team accordingly, I mean I am not CL so the point is null and void, but if I was CL I would know I would be on borrowed time so I would be claiming a PR of some kind.

lol no? every scumteam is at risk to a jailkeeper just negating their ability to recruit. VT doesn't put a target on your back but a PR claim might.

[Gamma Emerald]

CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI

Why wouldn't he follow me on Drapion then? If he's CL it would be the best play for him. If I'm wrong on Drapion then it makes me look bad and I can be pushed tomorrow. If I'm right then he has me pocketed.

Granted...he would know I'm cautious around him and that I would look out for a potential pocket. If he's scum then he would try to play around me like he has in past games.

If I had one thing I would say concerns me. It's that he isn't trying that hard to convince me to vote with him.

Like I said I am a VT. Since I am not a PR my flip isn’t the be all end all and it’s more important my TRs communicate and collaborate with each other.

Right now that seems to be happening and a town block can form. If Drapion (or whoever my town block picks) flips town then either A) People see my reads as true or B) scum in my TRs or both

If Drapion flips scum then my reads are wrong

I am forceful when I feel things will be bad if I don’t get my way

I don’t feel that here whether we elim me or someone else.

I wish we would elim Meg or Elements but like I said town block more important especially if we don’t hit CL so we can look for changes in players

as wack as her SR on you feels I kinda lean town on meg
elements I don't really feel strongly about either way

[Gamma Emerald]

No but literally its nightless with more clears than mafia 7/9 times

this is accurate
bottom left or bottom right after a CL flips D1 is an autowin
any setup where town is able to conf two or more players without those confs getting recruited is gg
this setup is like, extremely reliant on the D1 flip

[MathBlade]

Mod got back to me apparently there’s no NK so Meg is town.

Still don’t like Elements.

Since I have too many TRs intent to vote Drapion.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Drapion

[MegAzumarill]

No but literally its nightless with more clears than mafia 7/9 times

this is accurate
bottom left or bottom right after a CL flips D1 is an autowin
any setup where town is able to conf two or more players without those confs getting recruited is gg
this setup is like, extremely reliant on the D1 flip

On reconsideration it's a 5753/5760 chance for town win in C2, and a 100% chance everywhere else

[MegAzumarill]

Mod got back to me apparently there’s no NK so Meg is town.

Still don’t like Elements.

Since I have too many TRs intent to vote Drapion.

Why does that make me town?

[MegAzumarill]

CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI

Why wouldn't he follow me on Drapion then? If he's CL it would be the best play for him. If I'm wrong on Drapion then it makes me look bad and I can be pushed tomorrow. If I'm right then he has me pocketed.

Granted...he would know I'm cautious around him and that I would look out for a potential pocket. If he's scum then he would try to play around me like he has in past games.

If I had one thing I would say concerns me. It's that he isn't trying that hard to convince me to vote with him.

I don't really see the world where Math plays like he did in his catchup as town though.

lol what's so wrong with it, jeezus

will get back to this in a min

[MathBlade]

Mod got back to me apparently there’s no NK so Meg is town.

Still don’t like Elements.

Since I have too many TRs intent to vote Drapion.

Why does that make me town?

Scum you would not make a big deal out of correcting me I don’t think when me misunderstanding is such a big boon for scum.

[MegAzumarill]

Of NK15/ Drapion I'd really prefer drapion. Don't really like either slot but I will say that we should not get more than one more claim today. If we get drapion to claim we do not get nk15 to follow suit (Obviously CCs excluded in this)

If we're wrong here we prefer cult shooting with their recruit significantly less knowledge

[MegAzumarill]

CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI

Why wouldn't he follow me on Drapion then? If he's CL it would be the best play for him. If I'm wrong on Drapion then it makes me look bad and I can be pushed tomorrow. If I'm right then he has me pocketed.

Granted...he would know I'm cautious around him and that I would look out for a potential pocket. If he's scum then he would try to play around me like he has in past games.

If I had one thing I would say concerns me. It's that he isn't trying that hard to convince me to vote with him.

I don't really see the world where Math plays like he did in his catchup as town though.

lol what's so wrong with it, jeezus

will get back to this in a min

Okay so my big problem with Math's entrance is threefold.

1. Math's reasonings for initially scum reading me and Elements feels contrived. It's at least in part hypercriticism of an early comment by Elements and some of the points about me (i.e. the fearmongering one) feels arbitrary at best and counterintuitive to what was actually said at worst.

2. Math obfuscated when I brought up these points, changing what he was arguing each time it was addressed. This make the arguments feel weak where Math has less care about actually being right.

3. Math's opening criticized doing things integral to playing mafia and felt like taking actions out of reasonable context. A particularly egregious example was this

I think there's a decent chance of scum in Roden/ Not Known. I don't like the way they handeled Gamma's push on Drapion. It felt like trying to stay off the wagon yet fuel it (implication is that Drapion is scum for playing differently than a town game) in Roden's case. In Not Known's case they seem to be on the wagon and supporting it but backing away from being a major voice there or elsewhere.

This is not enough to avoid the content in the thread. What do you think of Drapion?

of Gamma?

of me?

Which quotes from this post:

I think Gamma is town. This reads as solving much more than aggressive scum to me here.

I think there's a decent chance of scum in Roden/ Not Known. I don't like the way they handeled Gamma's push on Drapion. It felt like trying to stay off the wagon yet fuel it (implication is that Drapion is scum for playing differently than a town game) in Roden's case. In Not Known's case they seem to be on the wagon and supporting it but backing away from being a major voice there or elsewhere.

Literally copy pasting my words apart from the context that answered his question.


Are these things that town can't do - No.
Are these things that town shouldn't do - Yes.

I don't see this behavior coming from a town mindset of an experienced player.

[Malakittens]

Fuck it.

VOTE: drap

Bai.

[MegAzumarill]

Fuck it.

VOTE: drap

Bai.

Bruh

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Drapion

I mean I’m not the worst to execute here.
I’m not PR and I’m not cult either.
You’d think it’s obvious cause everyone is voting for me without hesitation.
If I was cult I would have had a real crummy reaction or possibly even PR claimed out off panic to try and survive.

The CL Math is now voting me cause Gamma isn’t, but Gamma probably will again and hammer cause they probably figure they can get away with an ML on me here.

Math’s read on me was fake this entire game it’s not that hard to see.
Y’all can unvote if you want to prevent this ML and vote the CL Math.


Orrrrrrr

Let me die and just get me outta here cause I’m clearly cults priority ML.


But I’ll tell you a legacy here.

After I am ML’ed do not vote Elements and do not vote NK15 before math or Gamma. Vote Meg over Roden.
Oh and if Gamma is actually town I’d vote Mala.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Fuck it.

VOTE: drap

Bai.

Couldn’t wait for my legacy? Smh.

[MegAzumarill]

Well at least we aren't losing a PR. for sure. Any last thoughts Drapion? (Besides scum!gamma ofc)

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yes.
One of my voters are definitely a cult and I think it’s Math.

[catboi]

Vote Count 1.08

I'm a wolf child, baby
And I'm howlin' for you

ProfessorDrapion (5):

Not Known 15, Roden, MegAzumarill, MathBlade, Malakittens

Not Known 15 (2):

Fredrick A Campbell, Elements

MathBlade (1):

ProfessorDrapion

Fredrick A Campbell (1):

Gamma Emerald

With 9 alive, it took 5 to eliminate.

[catboi]

ProfessorDrapion was eliminated on Day 1.

He was a...

Spoiler:

cultist[/spoiler]

[catboi]

It is now Night 1.

The deadline for Night 1 is

September 27

at

8:40 PM EST

. Submit night actions by PM, if applicable.

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[catboi]

It is now Day 2.

Vote Count 2.00

Wound up, can't sleep, can't do anything right, little honey
Oh, since I set my eyes on you

Not Voting (8):

Elements, Fredrick A Campbell, Gamma Emerald, Malakittens, MathBlade MegAzumarill, Not Known 15, Roden

With 8 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 2 is October 4 at 9:00 PM EDT.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-10-04 21:00:00)

[Roden]

D1 ended with me feeling pretty good about my reads, but it just now hit me that the recruit means we're partially resetting our reads today.

Math is the one slot I feel really good about today. I don't buy Drapion's WIFOM and I think he spewed Math town, and I doubt he'd be recruited with how strongly he was getting scum read yesterday. Recruit most likely happened somewhere in the null reads/low activity slots since they'd be the safest choice, but I don't really want to look for recruits today, I wanna hit the CL.

Town reads in Meg/Gamma/Elements will have to be re-evaluated. Gamma at the very least definitely isn't CL.

[MathBlade]

I kinda think Elements makes a good CL but the fact I wasn’t culted means scum might hope I tunnel elements.

I kinda want to see how people open.

[Malakittens]

Exp to me why gamma is town.

I kinda get why math is spewed town which I agree with btw