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[MegAzumarill]

Ima sleep on this catchup but reads scum motivated to me. I don't like how the preflips were handeled some points feel contrived or easy to make as scum. It's very much an entrance to try to make a motion and I don't think that motion favors town


Would not be surprised one bit if it was Math/NK here

[MathBlade]

Ima sleep on this catchup but reads scum motivated to me. I don't like how the preflips were handeled some points feel contrived or easy to make as scum. It's very much an entrance to try to make a motion and I don't think that motion favors town


Would not be surprised one bit if it was Math/NK here

Why?

What motivation is there?

I am not asking people to vote me.

I already pointed out that you’re too chicken shit to do so.

This says some points are “easy”.

Are they “easy” or confusing?

I don’t have any preflips in my arguments.

I have reads. The closest thing you could say to preflip is if Elements is scum and if elements is town then etc.

That’s just SvT/TVS things people do.

[MegAzumarill]

Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it

Drapion does look noncommittal (agreeing/egging Gamma on)
But I don’t think you’d expect town here to be completely committed

It’s a cognitive dissonance.

If you think he’s scum then you’d just vote Drapion.

But instead you agree and say he’s town for no good reason or say you don’t expect him to be town and don’t vote him

But “not a fan”

It’s hard to tell if you made a grammar issue and meant to say you think Drapion is town (how I took it)
Or you continue to think Drap is scum but then random not a fan and no action

It’s just feels like you know Drapion is town with the inaction.

I'm saying in general it's a scummy thing but in this situation it would be reasonable for town to do it? If both alignments would do it it's by definition NAI. The "not a fan" is saying that I don't townread them for it.

[MathBlade]

Not asking people to not vote for me*

[MathBlade]

Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it

Drapion does look noncommittal (agreeing/egging Gamma on)
But I don’t think you’d expect town here to be completely committed

It’s a cognitive dissonance.

If you think he’s scum then you’d just vote Drapion.

But instead you agree and say he’s town for no good reason or say you don’t expect him to be town and don’t vote him

But “not a fan”

It’s hard to tell if you made a grammar issue and meant to say you think Drapion is town (how I took it)
Or you continue to think Drap is scum but then random not a fan and no action

It’s just feels like you know Drapion is town with the inaction.

I'm saying in general it's a scummy thing but in this situation it would be reasonable for town to do it? If both alignments would do it it's by definition NAI. The "not a fan" is saying that I don't townread them for it.

Then my point remains

You seem to be egging Gamma on.

There’s no reason to agree then deflect

[MegAzumarill]

Ima sleep on this catchup but reads scum motivated to me. I don't like how the preflips were handeled some points feel contrived or easy to make as scum. It's very much an entrance to try to make a motion and I don't think that motion favors town


Would not be surprised one bit if it was Math/NK here

Why?

What motivation is there?

I am not asking people to vote me.

I already pointed out that you’re too chicken shit to do so.

This says some points are “easy”.

Are they “easy” or confusing?

I don’t have any preflips in my arguments.

I have reads. The closest thing you could say to preflip is if Elements is scum and if elements is town then etc.

That’s just SvT/TVS things people do.

In particular this was the preflip I didn't like. Perhaps a bad term for it.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Spicy I like this

You can have a TR if Meg is scum.

By easy I refer to posts like 190 which would be an easy discrepancy to spot from scum you but otherwise I don't have a problem with.

[MegAzumarill]

Anyway I do actually need to sleep

[MathBlade]

180 is how I form reads

Scum rarely if ever do relational reads or feel where the vibes are

So I make hypothesis and test them

You have yet to give me a reason why my gut relational read is wrong

You aren’t voting who you scumread and your posts ping me

The entire case on me is predecessor was inactive

I have stuff now to be evaluated on.

If anyone still scumreads me then go for it but you not voting me is damning

[ProfessorDrapion]

Not sure why you TR Gamma.
Not sure If I like or hate Math so far.
I mean I’ve liked Meg so far and Math’s slot was kinda null with the “town!meta” read from Gamma.

I think Gamma/Math might be the team. Not sure which one is the CL though.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like Math why are you trying to insist on me being voted.
Roden has also shown sus on me.


I mean I kinda get what your saying that Meg hasn’t really made it clear on their read towards me. (Even though I’m pretty sure they wolf read me) but saying “oh you should have voted this” is just bad it seems like your trying to get others to vote on me without stating a wolf read on me so you don’t look bad when I go over and to help out your partner Gamma who’s currently pushing me and is top wagon.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like you eventually make Meg vote me then what? Your going to try and go onto Roden as well and push on me without actually pushing on me or calling me wolf at all.

Scum Motivation.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Pretty sure with the 2 extra votes on me I become top wagon right?
You can have me go over without voting on me and then convert anyone you want after.
All set to win the game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Idk man but if I see Meg vote me and then you start talking to Roden in regards to me I’m voting you instead of Gamma.

[Roden]

VOTE: Drapion

Last few posts just look like an intimidation tactic. Warning someone that you'll vote them if they do a certain thing doesn't really make any sense from a town perspective. Why let your suspect know how to avoid getting scum read if you actually think they're scum?

[MathBlade]

Like Math why are you trying to insist on me being voted.
Roden has also shown sus on me.


I mean I kinda get what your saying that Meg hasn’t really made it clear on their read towards me. (Even though I’m pretty sure they wolf read me) but saying “oh you should have voted this” is just bad it seems like your trying to get others to vote on me without stating a wolf read on me so you don’t look bad when I go over and to help out your partner Gamma who’s currently pushing me and is top wagon.

I am not insisting on you being voted.

To the contrary, I think you’re town.

I want Meg to vote for someone who she scumreads which she hasn’t.

I am trying to coordinate with Roden. I don’t think you’re scum yet the wagon doesn’t seem bad.

If you are town then my prior assumptions of the gamestate are wrong.

So either way is protown.

I’d rather we do Meg or Elements but you’re not bad strictly speaking.

[MathBlade]

Not sure why you TR Gamma.
Not sure If I like or hate Math so far.
I mean I’ve liked Meg so far and Math’s slot was kinda null with the “town!meta” read from Gamma.

I think Gamma/Math might be the team. Not sure which one is the CL though.

Gamma’s posts were almost word for word what I was thinking when I read in real time.

I am town therefore Gamma is probably town.

[MathBlade]

Like Math why are you trying to insist on me being voted.
Roden has also shown sus on me.


I mean I kinda get what your saying that Meg hasn’t really made it clear on their read towards me. (Even though I’m pretty sure they wolf read me) but saying “oh you should have voted this” is just bad it seems like your trying to get others to vote on me without stating a wolf read on me so you don’t look bad when I go over and to help out your partner Gamma who’s currently pushing me and is top wagon.

I am not insisting on you being voted.

To the contrary, I think you’re town.

I want Meg to vote for someone who she scumreads which she hasn’t.

I am trying to coordinate with Roden. I don’t think you’re scum yet the wagon doesn’t seem bad.

If you arent town then my prior assumptions of the gamestate are wrong.

So either way is protown.

I’d rather we do Meg or Elements but you’re not bad strictly speaking.

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[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Drapion

Last few posts just look like an intimidation tactic. Warning someone that you'll vote them if they do a certain thing doesn't really make any sense from a town perspective. Why let your suspect know how to avoid getting scum read if you actually think they're scum?

It does make sense.
To me if they do it they would be an obvious wolf or very likely.
“Avoid getting scum read” “think they are scum” if it’s the same thing how is it being avoided?
And I don’t entirely scum read Math I just think they can be aligned with Gamma here and is making some kind of wolf play.
Idk, if this is your only reasoning that you have now decided to of voted me can you tell me what prevented you before? Was it just that you thought Math was more wolfier like I think you mentioned before or was there something else with it like something in regards to my posts.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Drapion

Last few posts just look like an intimidation tactic. Warning someone that you'll vote them if they do a certain thing doesn't really make any sense from a town perspective. Why let your suspect know how to avoid getting scum read if you actually think they're scum?

It does make sense.
To me if they do it they would be an obvious wolf or very likely.
“Avoid getting scum read” “think they are scum” if it’s the same thing how is it being avoided?
And I don’t entirely scum read Math I just think they can be aligned with Gamma here and is making some kind of wolf play.
Idk, if this is your only reasoning that you have now decided to of voted me can you tell me what prevented you before? Was it just that you thought Math was more wolfier like I think you mentioned before or was there something else with it like something in regards to my posts.

Think a moment

You’re assuming I would be an obvious wolf.

There’s almost no evidence of that (except the very rare game where I have made a mistake).

It’s more likely that I could be town and wrong on Gamma (I don’t think so).

I have gone obvTown as the big bad in 42 player games.

I am very good at monitoring associations as scum.

If you think you’ve seriously paired me with Gamma you really need to check yourself.

I know for a fact 1/2 of that is false. I just got done with a game of Gamma town and I see no difference

[MathBlade]

Hell you could even assume I am scum and Gamma town

But both of us together is an illogical assumption.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hell you could even assume I am scum and Gamma town

But both of us together is an illogical assumption.

Why?
I already explained how it makes sense.

[MathBlade]

Hell you could even assume I am scum and Gamma town

But both of us together is an illogical assumption.

Why?
I already explained how it makes sense.

And I just explained why it doesn’t

You said it’s “an obvious play” which is devoid of explanation.

I countered that with many examples why there is never anything obvious about what I do when scum.

[ProfessorDrapion]

There doesn’t need to be blatant evidence you two are aligned, you can look at partner associations simply based on actions.
The way you have chosen to go about the thread was to me a way to get players to vote me without wanting to start a scum read on me yourself cause Gamma already has put one on me.

Remind me Math, why do you town read me again?
Meta read or?

[MathBlade]

You’re arguing what you’d do as scum and then applying it out versus who is scum.

I don’t judge others by if they play as scum me

I judge them if they aren’t being Townie.

[ProfessorDrapion]

You’re arguing what you’d do as scum and then applying it out versus who is scum.

I don’t judge others by if they play as scum me

I judge them if they aren’t being Townie.

No I’m applying what scum do and where scum is and how you have approached this game so far has good partner equity with Gamma if they are cult, which I believe they are.

“Townie” to me is someone who I don’t see any wolf motivation from and is looking like an obvious execution that wolves want, and other similar stuff in this regard.

Doesn’t matter how much you post or how good you sound, it doesn’t tell us anything about alignment.
There is key details to determining someone’s alignment.