Do I sense rage?
It's wellfounded tbh. My play over the last while has been lazy and aggravating.
VOTE: Espeonage
because I prefer Umbreon.
Do I sense rage?
It's certainly possible, but given other evidence (particularly your obvtown response), I just don't think you're scum. I mean, the fact that you're willing to raise this question says something. I probably would have ignored it had I been scum.In post 38, Thor665 wrote:Why couldn't I be scum and also honestly consider you a valid policy lynch?In post 35, Beefster wrote:Just to explain myself, Thor's frustration with my playstyle is fresh and looks very town. His defense of half-jokingly PL'ing me is genuine.
Because it's Not_Mafia. That's just how he plays.In post 110, Korina wrote:Why not?
I'm not answering for wilky. Where'd you get that idea? I can't really tell if the vote is opportunistic. And even if it is, I don't think it's AI in this situation.In post 115, BuJaber wrote:It is opportunistic... because NM always plays like this?
What kind of answer is that? And why are you even answering for wilky?
I agree NM is null (though I'm still convinced there's a good chance of finding scum among the lurkers - even if people disagree) but how wilky jumped to that conclusion is beyond me. 2 votes is barely a wagon, and there were other choices with 2 votes too. NM can't possibly know that wilky would be the lynch today it's far too early.
Where are you getting that idea?In post 174, BuJaber wrote:Are you a wolf beef? You're too interested in ending the day early.
I think you're exaggerating that I only want to lynch 2 people. It's just you and Korina are the best options right now. We can figure the rest out from there, though I do have a few suspicions.In post 199, BuJaber wrote:I wasn't calling you naive I was saying it would be naive of me. Stating you only want to lynch 2 people is a strategy. But stubbornly sticking to these 2 people would be naive. Therefore taking it literally is you calling me naive. But I concede I'm clearly in the wrong here. Everyone agrees it was scummy so it must be scummy I won't do it in future games.
As for the speed it was within 5 hours or so that 3 people declared they agreed with espeo. Laser didn't actually vote for me but he stated willingness. Fanta especially comes in votes for the hot wagon and leaves yet again.
No johns. Your post was way longer than anyone is willing to read. If you are going to put the time into a megapost, I sort of expect conclusions rather than an inconclusive summary of a few players' ISOs.In post 242, Korina wrote:Ok, the thing is, there's like 200ish posts. I really can't make very conclusive ideas until there's a lot more. A lot of the people are null because there's so little for me to read. What? You expect me to scumread the 5 posts someone's made, when, I know for a fact that there's very little conclusive evidence about it?In post 232, Beefster wrote:Korina: oh come on. You've got a megapost (admittedly, I haven't really read it) and you've put most of us at null?
Seems like you're just spinning your wheels, but you clearly aren't going anywhere.
VOTE: Korina
I agree with this sentiment.In post 283, wilky wrote:i'm going to VOTE: korina
Korina is my other scum read and I want to give almost50 a chance to redeem from bujaber's poor play
Out of those 3 options, I'd put Espeonage on my scum list.In post 295, Not_Mafia wrote:Last scum LaserGuy or Espe because I forgot their posts or Thor because I haven't read any of his posts
If you're this salty about being a VT, why not play role madness?In post 300, Korina wrote:Also, I hardclaim Citizen rn. I'm a fucking citizen once again, and literally out of half the rolelist being non-citizen roles, I get citizen again. I really don't care if I'm ML'd d1, happens all the time, and idgaf tbh.
Same chance as always. Don't fall prey to the gambler's fallacy.In post 305, Korina wrote:Because at this point probability would beg to differ.
I'm inclined to agree. This kind of frustration is not hard to fake.In post 308, Montosh wrote:This whole post... just why? It's multiball with only 1 town PR, why'd you even say this? Half non-VT roles means... half VT. 50/50.In post 300, Korina wrote:You said so yourself.In post 274, Thor665 wrote:@Korina - third time's the charm?In post 244, Thor665 wrote:@Korina - I knew the outcome would be you missing the question, but let's go with this a second time.In post 240, Thor665 wrote:How would I know what the outcome would be?In post 229, Korina wrote:So, my entire thing about that, is that I honestly have never seen town trying to set up arguments where they know the exact outcome. It seems like something mafia/wolf would do.
You're, like Skitter, accussing me of being a mindreader/master manipulator with zero evidence to support said claim, and then acting like it's a valid call.
Also, I hardclaim Citizen rn. I'm a fucking citizen once again, and literally out of half the rolelist being non-citizen roles, I get citizen again. I really don't care if I'm ML'd d1, happens all the time, and idgaf tbh.
I'm feeling kinda like this is fake frustration.
I mean, he could be faking it, but without additional evidence, I think you're right about lynchbait.In post 316, LaserGuy wrote:In post 313, Korina wrote:It's real. At this point, I have played around 14 games. Excluding 4 of them, because one of them I replaced into confirmed scum slot, the other was a pure Jester game, the third one was late game, and VT wasn't a possibility that late in, and the last one because it was canned, I have rolled Citizen in over half of them. Probability would beg to differ at this point, that I would get a non-town role. I still haven't and that pisses me off to no end, because I want to finally play as fucking scum. 11H on ToS forums was the closest I've ever gotten to playing a legit scum game, and even if I played scum well that game, I highly doubt I would've won it. So, let's break down the rest of those games then: that leaves 10 games. 1 of them, I got BG. 1 of them, I got Arso (11H), 1 of them, I got vig, but because of someone else in thread, I got force-replaced. That leaves 7 games, this one included. I have played VT in 70% of all my fm games. You don't think I get sick and fucking tired of it, or at this point probability would be in my favor on a literal coin flip? I may be following the gambler's fallacy here, but I honestly think that probability would go my way at this point.
*Sigh*, I kind of believe this, at least enough not to want to lynch Korina right now. He's such lynchbait it's going to be a very low information flip regardless of his alignment.
I agree. I'll sheep this.In post 332, wilky wrote:Right, so i've just iso'd Laserguy and his iso does not read as active lurker at all so for now
VOTE: Dr Fanta
I think it's something we should revisit first thing D2.In post 330, wilky wrote:Not sure about Korina's little meltdown here and wether it is genuine or not. People seem to be leaving the wagon for it though which begs the question if a meltdown is all it takes to dispel the wagon on you how easy is this game going to be for scum...
The thing with Korina's reaction that's bothering me is that (excluding playing role-madness only) the most common role someone can roll is VT and by a large majority aswell and korina will know that so why get worked up when you roll the most common role most of the time.
TBF I actually didn't notice that you were VLA. With your spectacular entrance, I'd say that changes things. In hindsight, I should have unvoted instead.In post 382, Espeonage wrote:what is this? I'm VLA and this IS multiball???In post 317, Beefster wrote:I mean, he could be faking it, but without additional evidence, I think you're right about lynchbait.In post 316, LaserGuy wrote:In post 313, Korina wrote:It's real. At this point, I have played around 14 games. Excluding 4 of them, because one of them I replaced into confirmed scum slot, the other was a pure Jester game, the third one was late game, and VT wasn't a possibility that late in, and the last one because it was canned, I have rolled Citizen in over half of them. Probability would beg to differ at this point, that I would get a non-town role. I still haven't and that pisses me off to no end, because I want to finally play as fucking scum. 11H on ToS forums was the closest I've ever gotten to playing a legit scum game, and even if I played scum well that game, I highly doubt I would've won it. So, let's break down the rest of those games then: that leaves 10 games. 1 of them, I got BG. 1 of them, I got Arso (11H), 1 of them, I got vig, but because of someone else in thread, I got force-replaced. That leaves 7 games, this one included. I have played VT in 70% of all my fm games. You don't think I get sick and fucking tired of it, or at this point probability would be in my favor on a literal coin flip? I may be following the gambler's fallacy here, but I honestly think that probability would go my way at this point.
*Sigh*, I kind of believe this, at least enough not to want to lynch Korina right now. He's such lynchbait it's going to be a very low information flip regardless of his alignment.
Well then...
VOTE: Espeonage
He has a certain quality of lurkiness that I find suspicious. Also seems to be preoccupied with this being multiball IIRC.
Wolf as in scum in general or as in wolf specifically?In post 570, Not_Mafia wrote:This is wolfIn post 569, wilky wrote:Paradox is a weird one there's not really anyone it implicates or points in a direction too.
Oops. Didn't notice you answered my question before asking it.In post 572, Not_Mafia wrote:I wouldn't be caught dead using wolf as a general term for scum
wilky killed TGP hunting for mafia, now he's deflecting
Surely with your join date you can't be that dumb.In post 705, Thor665 wrote:That feels too scummy to be scummy.
In post 53, Thor665 wrote:Oh man, Skitter set me up in an argument where people would have to choose sides!
Thor has this tunnel thing going and is pretty much just going after low-hanging fruit aside from that.In post 606, Thor665 wrote:Skitter is, once again, creating a case based around calling scumhunting scummy. Even in the theory world where A50 and I are scum - she's accusing us of thinking;
That Fanta was scum.
VOTE: Skitter
I suspect LaserGuy investigated skitter on N1, though that would only catch wolves anyway, so it would seem a bit odd to classify that as a strong townread...In post 695, LaserGuy wrote:You're a strong Townread.In post 664, skitter30 wrote:OK fair enough. What's your present read on me/thor/A50?In post 635, LaserGuy wrote:There were five wagons at the time: You, Thor, wilky, Dr. Fanta, and A50. I had Town on you and Thor, so I wasn't going to vote there. I was suspicious of everyone on the wilky wagon and didn't want to sheep them. It was a toss-up for me between A50 and Dr. Fanta, and my scumread on Fanta was stronger.
When I started writing this, I was going to say that I have Thor as a Town lean and A50 as a scum lean, but in trying to wrap my head about the fact that we only have five townies in a ten person game, I think they're actually both PoE in my scum pile right now. Both are due for a reread at some point when I have access to enough scotch to get me through all of those walls.
Mostly sheeping. Too lazy to give reasons.In post 812, Montosh wrote:Also going to
VOTE: Beefster
Until they can answer this.
In post 657, Montosh wrote:VOTE: Beefster
The other one on my list. Why the Fanta vote (since you didn't really get into it much Day 1) and why the votes without comment? You either spend the day sheeping other people or doing this. Care to give us some of your thoughts?
Looks like a reluctant bus.In post 844, Montosh wrote:VOTE: wilky
Read through his ISO, yeah definitely went after low-hanging fruit. I'll give this one a go.
That's a loaded question.In post 892, Not_Mafia wrote:Would you rather lynch wolf or mafia?
Montosh is the only one I'm super sure of. I could see any of the other four of you as scum, but I'd have to take a closer look.In post 916, Not_Mafia wrote:Who's scum?
I'll have to get back to you on that. I haven't really thought about mafia teams tbh.In post 941, Not_Mafia wrote:So you think Thor and I are a team?
I'll take a look. I mean Beef/Esp makes sense from a distancing type of perspective based on our interactions. I believe we've both had votes on each other at some point and I'll admit I look pretty scummy due to my pathological laziness.In post 947, Thor665 wrote:@Beefster - without using your role PM as the reasoning, how does Thor/Esp make more sense than Beefster/Esp?
I'll also accept Tchill/Esp if you can't handle the above, I'm just making a point.