Open 717: C9++ [GAME OVER:TOWN WINS]

[Myloninja13]

Heyo guys, I'm here.

VOTE: Hoopla

because I read your name backwards and somehow that made me laugh.

-- Alpooh?

[Myloninja13]

Hey, sorry, homework and going out got in the way.

Generic Hydra lol. This is going to be fun.

For now I'll VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd because I'm not sure how a masons claim would help town in really any way aside from eliminating a few smaller options in the set-up.

[Myloninja13]

Sorry guys, I'll be V/LA from 4:30pm Sunday to 10:15pm Tuesday,

AEDT

time.

-- Noted.

[Myloninja13]

Hey, sorry, homework and going out got in the way.

Generic Hydra lol. This is going to be fun.

For now I'll VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd because I'm not sure how a masons claim would help town in really any way aside from eliminating a few smaller options in the set-up.

VOTE: Myloninja13

Are you seriously scum reading him for that?!

No, I'm just a bit suspicious of him because of that. A vote doesn't equal a scum reading.

[Myloninja13]

Hey, sorry, homework and going out got in the way.

Generic Hydra lol. This is going to be fun.

For now I'll VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd because I'm not sure how a masons claim would help town in really any way aside from eliminating a few smaller options in the set-up.

VOTE: Myloninja13

Are you seriously scum reading him for that?!

No, I'm just a bit suspicious of him because of that. A vote doesn't equal a scum reading.

So it was mid-RVS?

Yep.

Actually, has Judge answered why he thought that was good idea in any way for town?

[Myloninja13]

Um, I can talk for about an hour before I go on the trip.

[Myloninja13]

I'm back from V/LA, but I'm super tired right now so I'll comment properly tomorrow.

[Myloninja13]

Hi I'm here and I completely forgot about this on the weekend

I believe JJD, literally the only reason I voted for him was his mason claim idea, and I don't see where a scum would find this a good fake claim in anyway.

Not sure why Kop is suspicious of both JJD and Fred, did he think he was lying but still killing a scum member?

[Myloninja13]

VOTE: JJD because town

should

be smart enough not to fake claim, especially with pretty much no town reasoning.

[Myloninja13]

I forgot to mention that's L-1.

[Myloninja13]

Oh, hammer time. But some people haven't talked yet... at all!

[Myloninja13]

I mean... JJD is pretty much conf!Not-town but now we've lost a day of talking.

[Myloninja13]

Hi I'm here and OMG HOW CAN THE TOWN DOCTOR BE SO DUMB.

I don't why he even considered that as a good idea, he should have easily seen negative/positive chances and IMMEDIATELY stopped that idea. The positive is getting a scum out, while possibly getting yourself CC-ed or killed at night. The negative is wasting TWO days, two nights, a town PR and putting us immmiedately into LYLO. Honestly, JJD deserves MVP for mafia here.

And three people in a row, all agreeing that I'm the scummiest, in LYLO where there's three scum and three town... doesn't that just sound good?

I'll say it now, I'm a vanilla townie. No PR, just a regular townie that has lurked the majority of the game. But JJD has brought out the angry Mylo, so here I am.

I agree with waiting for everyone to come in before we do anything, but I'd like to avoid an immediate loss to town by actually using the time to scum hunt properly.

DO. NOT. VOTE. ANYONE. YET.

A single vote can kill the game here, just like that. We need to wait for people to come in, do some actual scum hunting and actually solve who is most likely scum rather than "Eh, Mylo seems scummiest to most people, quick lynch!"


Sorry, rant over. But seriously, please don't vote yet. We have well and truly enough time, and I'll actually contribute in this period instead of lurking for three days straight.

[Myloninja13]

Lets popcorn massclaim, so mylo, pick the next person to claim.

Okay, as you're on I'll say you then.

[Myloninja13]

I'm sorry UglyDuck, but I see zero reason to hold back on results. Assuming you're telling the truth, if you have a guilty result, you should show that as early as possible so we can utilise this day to find any links or focus on details. If you leave it until the last day to say a guilty or even a clear, it'll mean we waste time in the day period not looking for specific information.

But aside from that, we've all claimed so it's time to get LYLO on the road. The rules are simple, no voting until we've all had time to analyse and ask questions to each other.

[Myloninja13]

UglyDuck, you really need to get on with this.

[Myloninja13]

Hang on, let me try it on someone else. This is just a normal vote.

UNVOTE:

Vote: Kop

Why did you vote Kop at this point? While lynching Sesq?

This was a joke post. A bit of humour while the thread was quiet. I explained this to Gamma a few posts later when he asked me the same thing.

I wonder why did mafia kill Pinturricchio and Gamma Emerald instead of an experienced and helpful player like Hoopla.

I've actually been wondering the same thing and have been pleasantly surprised both nights that I wasn't the kill. I assume scum are unaware of my abilities especially late in the game, or that I'm way off in some of my reads and that scum aren't trying to exploit the influence and sway I have in the game -- using this logic, the strongest town read I have (who is still alive) is Kop based on his D1 claim. It wouldn't surprise me if scum are exploiting my defence of Kop if he is scum.

This seems pretty complicated.

[Myloninja13]

As there are no power roles aside from possibly you, there is zero harm in showing us your results.

[Myloninja13]

What value could there be?!?
You really need to understand that you seem like a VERY likely scum-candidate for now - a scum could've very well fakeclaimed cop today to gambit a certain win for today.
So no matter what you claim today, the rest of us STILL need to make our vote today based on the whole game thusfar - your claim and results will only be fully factored in tomorrow.
You claim IMMEDIATELY and FULLY in LyLo, to make sure your credibility can't be questioned on accout of wavering/stalling etc.

I'm not sure if I made this clear enough, but

NO ONE SHOULD VOTE YET

We need to actually put effort into this day phrase, and regardless of how sure you are about a read or if UglyDuck claims a guilty we need to use this day ohrase, and when we do vote we should structure it to make it as safe as possible so that we also have information going into the next day.

Also, I'm glad you're pushing Ugly to reveal, but Una you're being a bit too strong about this. It almost seems like you're making him more suspicious on purpose here.

[Myloninja13]

I do get those worries UglyDuck, but I don't know how scum can use the information to their advantage.

Let's assume you got two town results for two of our seven. Are scum then going to say you're lying? They would change their reads, yes, but they would do that regardless and unless you're expecting scum to come out with strong reads despite knowing they could easily be shot down it would be irrelevant. Town would also have to change their reads in this situation, so it may even be NAI. IF we got one right lynch, they'd certainly kill one of them but again they'd do that anyway.

If you got a scum reading, I don't know how scum would benefit from that? They'd be forced to hard bus or go against you, neither of which helps them in the long run. And of course this gives us a proper week to analyse reactions between the scum member and other people, plus reads and the like.

I understand your worry, so I will lay off you claiming for now. But please don't wait too long, people may focus too much on you not claiming and forget to actually scum hunt here.

[Myloninja13]

That all is fair, although I'd definitely say I'm weaker than UglyDuck in public opinion if the first three posts of this day is any indication. So your logic that UglyDuck would be the weakest in the scum team excludes me here, which from your posts don't seem to be your opinion.

[Myloninja13]

I'm trusting UglyDuck more and more here, and also simultaneously getting more suspicious of Una here.

But I entirely agree with Laserguy, if you aren't showing your reads you need to come up with something else to keep this game going.

[Myloninja13]

Okay... so you've got one useful result here...

Wait a sec... why didn't you go for Hoopla out of the gate? How are you so sure I'm scum that you went for me first thing over a confirmed scum reading?

[Myloninja13]

Quick reminder that no one should vote yet, but I agree with Hoopla that it's weird for two reads to be useless for us, especially one being roleblocked at night 1.

[Myloninja13]

Ugly... why did me getting lynched generate information? Honestly, wouldn't I be the worst person for that at the beginning of day 4?

I'm honestly split on this. I don't buy your "Generating information" and I'm suspicious of your reads, but I can see a lot of your posts coming from town, not scum. Although I'm a bit confused as to why you didn't crumb in day 3 about Gamma, if you're are a cop you could've died and we'd have gotten nowhere.

I will mention I don't think this is scum vs. scum between Ugly and Hoopla, and it obviously can't be town vs. town. So one of these two is very highly likely mafia.

[Myloninja13]

Actually, I agree with you Laser. We should leave Hoopla/Duck to test Duck's cop abilities. If we get mafia tonight, we'll see if he dies or not.

If he dies (and flips cop), Hoopla is conf!Mafia, as we hopefully didn't get two idiot power roles in this game.

If he doesn't die, he'll have another result, regardless if its real or fake, it'll add more information.

[Myloninja13]

Uh... okay then.

[Myloninja13]

DO NOT VOTE.

The only vote I'd accept is Hoopla voting UglyDuck or likewise, and that's only because one of you is confirmed town and the other is confirmed scum.

SOme thoughts coming in a sec.

[Myloninja13]

EBWOP: I meant Vice Versa instead of Likewise.

[Myloninja13]

I'll go out here and say I think Una and Ugly are on different teams. I'm not sure which one is town or scum, but I don't think they're both town and especially not both scum, their actions make zero sense with that. From extension I also think that whatever team Una is on, I think Hoopla is on as well.

And as I think Laser is almost 100% townish, I think that the scum team is one of these two:

UglyDuck/Kop/Ok Nyeo
or
UnaBombah/Hoopla/Kop or Ok Nyeo

So just from this, I'd rather lynch Kop or Ok Nyeo, as it will not only confirm the scum team from the reveal but is statistically more likely to hit scum, as they could be on either team.

[Myloninja13]

Ugly, remember if we lynch scum today and they're roleblocker/godfather, we've confirmed you or Hoopla as scum?

[Myloninja13]

Kop, did you just suggest that a believable cop claims a town result that people lynch?

[Myloninja13]

Also, Kop coming in and pretty much not talking about anything other than the legitimacy of the cop claim is very suspicious. Kop, what is your current reads on players?

[Myloninja13]

Okay, I know it was just an assumption and could be wrong but honestly, I really think the scum team can only be an UglyDuck/Kop/OkNyeo or a Hoopla/Una/ Ok or Kop. Una is not with Ugly here, and Ugly is certainly not with Una.

Right now I'd actually lean towards Hoopla/Una/ one of the others. In particular, Hoopla, Una and Kop (As Una seems way too happy to lynch Ok Nyeo.)

But, if we were to start voting, I'd want it to be organised. If we went for Kop, I'd want Una to vote first, then probably Hoopla and so on to mechanically see if that person is scum.

Just wondering, can everyone show their lynch pool? As in, people you'd be fine with lynching. Aside from Ugly and Hoopla doing each other obviously.

My Lynch pool is:

{Kop, Ok Nyeo, Una}.

[Myloninja13]

Ok Nyeo, can we please have your lynch pool now?

[Myloninja13]

As Una seems way too happy to lynch Ok Nyeo

More porridge, less shrooms for you..
Or read the thread.
I have stated MULTIPLE TIMES that my read on OK has changed after our interaction this gameday.
You refusing to see this feels very scummy.

What is your lynch pool Una?

[Myloninja13]

Okay, that's four people (All of whom I think are town at this point to be honest) are fine with lynching Una.

Hoopla and Kop, would you be fine with lynching Una? If so, I'd like you guys to vote first.

If you don't, you'd need to have a strong explanation as to why. Una, this is also your chance to defend yourself.

[Myloninja13]

Kop, did you just suggest that a believable cop claims a town result that people lynch?

What I am saying is if he claims a town result on a buddy, that somehow slips up in the midst of a debate could easily backfire on the claim. I didn't necessarily say that town instantly go against the cops result, it takes one slip or a slight contradiction from that result person for the whole plan to unravel.

That's why I don't think scum would give a town result to a buddy, but rather go for the safest option that doesn't carry any amount of risk but being believeable at the same time.

Kop, what is your lynch pool, and would you be fine with lynching Una?

[Myloninja13]

Well we could lynch Kop if Ugly was fine with it, but can you show your specific lynch pool?

[Myloninja13]

Okay then.

Ugly, it's up to you if you're fine to lynch Kop, but I still want to hear from Kop and particularly Una.

[Myloninja13]

Okay, Una it is.

Hoopla, Una and Kop if he defends Una, it's your turn to defend or show us another guilty person. If we don't find it convincing enough, we'll lynch Una.

[Myloninja13]

Ok Nyeo
-
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Kop
mylo
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Una
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Laser

Duck goes last.

is this a reads list or a list for the order of voting?


Absolutely not agreeing to a list created by hoopla if it is for order.

I believe it's a reads list, Ok Nyeo has been suspicious to him and he said Una was a town read.

[Myloninja13]

Una, what is your lynch pool?

And I'm not confused as to why you're suspicious of me, I've done nothing up until this day and this days work has been pretty bland. But at this point I completely trust Laser, and I just don't see who UglyDuck could be with here. The only options were Kop and Ok Nyeo, and Ok's now against him strongly and you were originally rooting for his lynch. So from my point of view the only scum team here can be Hoopla/Una/Kop.

I'm all ears for your defense and attack though.

[Myloninja13]

I'm 100% puzzled.
Why am I scum again??

Like, someone please, try to case scum! Una.
Mylo and Ugly wonder why I am more suspicious of them than anyone else?
Well, unlike them, I've actually tried to solve this game and posted reads WITH REASONING.
@anyone: GO read my ISO.
I beg of you to try and make a scum-case for me. I've been open with my reads, and asked all the questions I want answered.
Will post more today when I get on my computer.

Do you believe it is possible that both mylo and myself are skum?

Earlier they considered it unlikely from 774 but it's likely the possibility of her lynch affected their reads.

[Myloninja13]

I'm 100% puzzled.
Why am I scum again??

Like, someone please, try to case scum! Una.
Mylo and Ugly wonder why I am more suspicious of them than anyone else?
Well, unlike them, I've actually tried to solve this game and posted reads WITH REASONING.
@anyone: GO read my ISO.
I beg of you to try and make a scum-case for me. I've been open with my reads, and asked all the questions I want answered.
Will post more today when I get on my computer.

Do you believe it is possible that both mylo and myself are skum?

Earlier they considered it unlikely from 774 but it's likely the possibility of her lynch affected their reads.

Mylo - at this point in the game you should like realllllyyyyyy not answer for other players.

I apologise, I'll refrain from doing it any further.

[Myloninja13]

I'm here and not immediately lynching.

But are you telling me that two PR's decided to fake cop results in the same game?

[Myloninja13]

I'm here and not immediately lynching.

But are you telling me that two PR's decided to fake cop results in the same game?

fairly certain we are in twilight sir.

Me Laser Una OK on Hoopla.

Oh, okay then.

I hope that we didn't screw this up.

[Myloninja13]

I think Una is a safe bet for tomorrow lynch still, but is there any chance of the final scum not being Kop? I'm certainly not going to believe it's you LaserGuy.

[Myloninja13]

We're in twilight... why would Ugly or Laser lie about not being scum here? Hoopla is gone, and no scum has come out saying that they win.

[Myloninja13]

Una, you are being really weird here.

[Myloninja13]

I don't know... I'll look into this more in day 5 if I'm not Nk-ed.

[Myloninja13]

This was... an interesting experience.

Overall very fun though, even if I didn't really play until day 4 and got Nked lol. Although tbh, I think I would've actually considered Kop not being scum until he voted for me day 4.

[Myloninja13]

I can't believe town won after the clusterfuck JJD began, thanks for that! Ugly did a great job on D4, absolute carry of this game.

I roleblocked OK Nyeo twice thinking that he was the SK

It was bc of me the game got that easy. Think of me as a Town Vig who took care of all the questionable slots, leaving you guys to pick between black & white.

But... you only got rid of two questionable slots, yourself and Frederick. Every town member aside from possibly Laser had significant suspicion going into day 4.

[Myloninja13]

But... But...