Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[brassherald]

Morning, boyos, let's do this thing.

VOTE: Nauci

For not remembering me

[brassherald]

Do you remember me?

Of course I do. You sang the lead vocals on Wolves, Lower, right?

[brassherald]

I didn't even think of that. My whole thought process was that maybe 7 Chinese Brothers may sound racist

[brassherald]

VOTE: Nauci

Serious vote.

Upon what is the serious vote based?

[brassherald]

VOTE: Nauci

Serious vote.

Upon what is the serious vote based?

Nervousness in his post. "Hello everyone, never done this before."

VOTE: nauci

I guess that's a better case than the RVS, though, I did direct the question at Thor, so maybe he has further reasoning.

I'll look for Thor's response as well.

[brassherald]

Case on brass is just the badvote. Scumread is about equal to Duck.

My vote was RVS, I'm pretty behind in the game itself, because I was not really online last night, but I haven't made a serious vote yet.

UNVOTE:

Nauci's wagon's just too big for me to leave my RVS vote there still. I'll read more after I put on my glasses and drink some coffee then form a few reads, do no readlists and make a real vote. I just skimmed for what was related to me.

[brassherald]

@mod a baby keeps grabbing any screen when I try to read so, VLA for the weekend

[brassherald]

Mathdino's posts strike me as IIOA mixed with lurkscum opportunism

VOTE: Mathdino

What's IIOA?

[brassherald]

Okay, I definitely don't have the time before work to do my larger and more traditional catch up, however, after reading a bit and doing a few ISOs Beefster has posted very little in terms of analysis, is very surface reads.

Math tried to break the newbie setup in the one completed game I have with him, he was town there and seems to be towning here as well.

I had to metadive Wisdom a bit to see that his low content posting is pretty much just what he does so I have no clue how to read him.

VOTE: Beefster

Until I can actually sit down, read and make true mental notes on every player tonight, this seems like a good vote.

[brassherald]

From what I understand Wisdom makes a valiant effort to be unmetareadable.

Share your mental notes please!

Will do when they are formed.

The first step is a full reread of the thread, which will take probably my entire lunch hour

[brassherald]

My Catch Up.

the worst is not looking great to me. His analysis is minimal, he looks to be fake scum hunting to me. Then he has this, quite bluntly, bullshit read of me sounding guarded because I was VLA, I guess. Or I fluff posted during the RVS stage. Even his Beef vote is pretty weak, with "I missed 206" Where is ANY analysis from him? Quick answer, there's nothing. Closest he has gotten is reviewing Thor's posts, which does not include analysis.

Nauci is pretty okay so far. 233 in particular shows some work coming from the slot. Trying to build up reads and cases and the such is pretty good. I'd like more content in the future, but when she feels better.

Beefster is doing what I believe to be the biggest scum tells 0 analysis, promise to read more people, and not much else. I'd still be cool with a lynch on this slot.

Thor665 and his BG claim ideas and walls and walls of quotes have me on edge. Let me first settle with my two cents on claims. Don't. No one should claim on Day 1 unless they are L-1 on day 1. It doesn't matter if there is a BG or not, it's dumb to claim early. We should be hiding which PRs came out and who the PRs are. We should also not let the scum know if there is not a BG. Thor, if you are town, stop being an idiot. I'd be willing to lynch this because he is very good, and I do not see the town motivation of his posts right now. Beef is still my vote for the time being, though.

Espeonage I don't see much at all from this slot other than 151 which gives me town vibes, but nothing I can put to words.

MariaR I have seen her before, I don't get how she does reads. At the same time, I hate policy lynches and won't participate in one.

Wisdom I hate when people guess the entire scum team on Day 1 and he did exactly that in 176. It's another dumb thing that you shouldn't do as town. I think it's ineffective and creates a confirmation bias later on if one of your guesses is actually right. I'm also just assuming that Wisdom has random guesses because he refuses to share his analysis with anyone in every game.

UglyDuck has 5 posts, but I'm willing to townlean based on 192 for the time being.

Mathdino is frustrating to play with and going way too in depth with the setup speculation in my opinion. I'm also going to lodge my complaint once again with his trying to tell us all where to lynch. I've never seen his scum game, and would assume it is quite good, but I'm not lynching him today, he's got enough actual analysis hidden amongst his ridiculous amounts of setup speculation that I'm not moving toward him. Plus, he is arguing against this BG claim idea, and I don't think scum would.

Judge Joseph Dredd is arguing against the BG claim as well, so that's enough for me to not lynch him on it's own. He's also tunnelling hard on Thor, which is more town than scum because scum wants to BS reads, call them out to everyone and push them. Tunnels as scum make no sense to me.

Can we lynch beef?

[brassherald]

brass what exactly are your townreads in descending order

You know damn well I don't do read lists. I'm not making an exception for this.

[brassherald]

it feels like you've put yourself in a position to be able to scumread everyone, and a lot of the reasoning seems founded on more basic scumhunting principles than i'm used to from you

like i ultimately agree with a lot of your reads, but the way you've arrived at them feels off

idk we'll see where the day goes

I do have fewer town reads than I would like, at the end of it all, I will say that.

I will say that for today, my lynchpool is Thor/Beef/The Worst.

I think a Thor lynch would more help me sort you out, too so I'm tempted to vote Thor to clear up reads.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by basic scumhunting principles, but at the same time, I would like to point out that I have on at least one occasion made a joke about being in LYLO if my day 1 reads are accurate.

[brassherald]

Alright out of work.

A lot of this just makes me tap my foot like "okay and?" but one thing that stands out to me is

I don't understand Thor scum in fact Thor feels like town. The stance he has taken is one that is one against most of the town and it's just digger him further into the ground and he's not trying to backtrack out of it either he still seems to believe it and has got into arguments over it hell it's getting him lynched all because of 1 thing.
I understand the set up spec of scum knowing or not knowing that if bg is in the game they can claim more stuff but honestly there are only a few roles scum could fake claim and the slot becomes self resolving. This is just a matter of talk I honestly care more about play than any godforsaken claim. To me Thors logic is something that feels genuine even if I think it's wrong and that's what matters in this point of view.

Wow, MariaR literally right after my catch up does something I wasn't expecting and posted a full argument. Definitely not lynching here today, now.

[brassherald]

having an extra confirmed town on D1 doesn't substantially improve dayplay, it's at best +0 EV for town, and that's nowhere near a good enough advantage for me to actually push

So your stance isn't that it's bad (which feels like a stance change from telling me I'm an idiot for suggesting it)
But rather that it's of neutral benefit?

this is not a useful conversation to be having. i don't know how you got the impression that i would choose to lie as scum in an open setup about correct PR play. i've said EVERYWHERE that i would never do that, because that's suicidal in an open setup when everyone else has the same amount of information i have

How is the BG claim suicide?
You and I both know the BG's job is to die tonight.
What does it affect negative utility for town?

I'm super confused right now.

Thor, do you think we should have BG claim or not?

[brassherald]

I still want a straight answer from Thor about his own views on this. One post he says that if you read everything he says, he is against a BG claim, then the next post he implies a BG claim can be good, or at the very least neutral.

I don't understand his stance at all on this, he seems to cut both ways.

[brassherald]

Thor, do you think we should have BG claim or not?

You're the first person to ask.
I'm indifferent on it as long as it comes late Day 1, but I don't see much point other than that.
Now tell me why you thought I said anything else?

I read 237 (Specifically "What's the reason a BG shouldn't?") as a statement that BG should claim.

It reads to me like you are taking a stance that you are asking Math to disprove.

[brassherald]

Why do you prefer beef over your other scum reads?

I can at least see some sort of effort from the other slots. Beef is not effort posting at all.

[brassherald]

heres some analysis for you, brass

your catchup is full of popular opinions and most of your explanations for your reads have already been made by someone else

aka, either youre scum or terribad town who isnt really playing but just sheeping
occam's razor says its the former

I have had this conversation with others before but what the hell do you want me to do? Show up, read the same things as everyone else and somehow reinvent the goddamn wheel?

This is the dumbest shit anyone can post. "Your reads aren't original enough, so you must be scum" is just about the stupidest argument I can think of. I made my analysis of people, if you don't like it, try to push me. Otherwise, just keep barking little doggy.

[brassherald]

thor/brass/beef

maria is a contender too

everyone else good enough for now

Good thing you have completely original reads.

How is three of the most popular scum reads not just sheeping people who have actually posted reasoning?

[brassherald]

brass your catchup post was......underwhelming

If you had to -- gun to head -- force a townblock of 4-5 players RIGHT NOW who would they be?

Not gonna drag this thru the mud for 100 years, just short term very interested in your answer

No. I'm not going to do that.

you can see why im scumreading each of those in my iso, im not pretending im providing an original readlist like you did

basically, the difference is you want to look town while i dont

@brass

I'm not trying to look town, I'm trying to share my thoughts. And I'm not pretending it's an original fucking read list, it's my thoughts. If other people also reached those thoughts, so the fuck what? I'm not trying to just conform to other people's reads. Hell, if I wanted to look town, I'd do a lame ass read list like two people have now asked me to do.

[brassherald]

I liked your posting more than shitty catchup reads list (I did one when I replaced into my first scumgame here and read it later and like........cringe)

Seriously concerned about your ability to form townreads here dude

Fine, I hate this and hate myself for giving in on this because I hate doing read lists or anything similar.

Townblock, not including JMO since that is cheating:
Espeonage, UglyDuck, Nauci, JJD and MariaR

[brassherald]

Ill bite

Wow, MariaR literally right after my catch up does something I wasn't expecting and posted a full argument. Definitely not lynching here today, now

Please expand on this and why it makes maria town

If I need to have 5 people in my town pool, this post was enough to put her above anyone else. She's actually more null, but effort to sort and to provide reasoning is there. Which is more than I can say for most others.

I was considering between Math or MariaR, and landed just slightly on MariaR, would still not lynch Math today, but he's argued for at least one policy lynch today which is anti-town in my opinion.

[brassherald]

Ill bite

Wow, MariaR literally right after my catch up does something I wasn't expecting and posted a full argument. Definitely not lynching here today, now

Please expand on this and why it makes maria town

If I need to have 5 people in my town pool, this post was enough to put her above anyone else. She's actually more null, but effort to sort and to provide reasoning is there. Which is more than I can say for most others.

I was considering between Math or MariaR, and landed just slightly on MariaR, would still not lynch Math today, but he's argued for at least one policy lynch today which is anti-town in my opinion.

this literally did nothing to explain why that maria post made you townread her
effort and reasoning..? Scum maria cant provide those?

I guess she could, but if I'm forced to do a read list, I'd say she's more likely to abuse her meta as scum which she is not doing

[brassherald]

go ahead and put thor at L-1 then

Beef's the better lynch today, but, whatever.

VOTE: Thor

This might be L-1. I don't know and don't care enough to go back and count.

[brassherald]

The Mets are on, I'm not about to go searching for the latest vote count while the Mets are playing. Scum read that if you want, I just really am out of fucks to give in this game right now. I guess I'll be back later.

[brassherald]

Brass I'm not reading into your effort, just your methodology/reasoning

You've clearly put as much effort into this game as usual

I don't even know what your read is on me.

[brassherald]

VOTE: the worst

[brassherald]

So, I was in court the whole morning for a stupid case I'm handling and just sat down to eat lunch.

I am wondering about one thing as I catch up, put food down my gullet, and process information. I see a bunch of stuff about speculation as to whom the traitor is. I've never played with a traitor in the past. How do you differentiate between normal scum and traitor scum in your scum hunting?

[brassherald]

I'm still feeling the worst as scum. No real reasoning in any of his posts, and sure, he posted a read list but I like the read lists without reasoning slightly less than I like just plain old read lists, it's super easy to organize names into a list and rank them when you don't say why.

I don't have enough time right now to go into anything else, I have a deadline tomorrow and need to finish the papers. Good news, though, Mets are off tonight so I'll answer any questions you may have and perhaps update my brain thoughts a bit tonight.

[brassherald]

Okay, so here's my issue with the scum!Math in a nutshell as I really am just procrastinating right now. The whole IOIA thing that Beef said, does that read like scum attacking scum? I don't think so. {post]206[/post] for reference

If that's the case, Math only works as a Mafia Traitor and he has far more posts than Beef, which I just do not have time to dive into and analyze right now.

[brassherald]

@Brass: everyone knows i'm not groupscum. the question at hand is basically whether i'm specifically a mafia traitor

i just

what i can't fucking wrap my head around

is that beefster knows making a shit vote like that on me is basically suicide. i caught him as scum literally the last time he did it

so beefster was clearly the fall guy for the team if there was one

Then why did you push Thor so hard after that vote from Beef?

(Like, seriously logging off right after hitting submit, I leave work in 3 hours if I finish this motion and I want to do that, see you all in 4ish adding time for commute.)

[brassherald]

By the way, I have a family emergency, don't expect a past for at least the day. Figured I'd drop in and tell you guys. I don't want to go into what happened

[brassherald]

I'm not really believing the pr claim from The Worst. But, to give an opportunity to him. Did you crumb your role at all yesterday or before your full claim today?

[brassherald]

I dislike D1 hinting generally unless my role sounds bad

So you dislike hinting, but straight up saying the role is okay?

[brassherald]

brass confirmed not scum with TW

ya got baited, click the post

I feel dumb. I got into my cross examination mode without looking.

[brassherald]

that's why ya gotta review all the statements before objecting, phoenix wright

TMW a video game character does my own job more effectively.

[brassherald]

Are you a law brass?

I assume you mean lawyer, so yes.

[brassherald]

Would a clear from a Goon Cop mean the person investigated cannot be traitor, by the way? I'm not thinking JJD is traitor, but I'm not sure if 863 is based on pure mechanics.

[brassherald]

I don't think a vig really even bothers CCing a vig claim. I certainly would not.

[brassherald]

Okay, we need to stop the Speculation on the setup. We know for a fact that there are at least 3 PRs, all else is pure speculation.

[brassherald]

you dont say

Sometimes the obvious needs to be said.

[brassherald]

MariaR stayed on Beef the entirety of day 1, pretty much. Is it in her meta to hard bus someone?

[brassherald]

Can we just not spew claiming patterns for the scum before we mass claim?

[brassherald]

Can I claim the hammer vote today?

[brassherald]

intent to hammer.

[brassherald]

Math might know that I have been lamenting for at least a month about how I never get to hammer. (By might, I mean he definitely does)

[brassherald]

JJD is up to claim.

[brassherald]

If it is worth anything, I would have fought for a Wisdom lynch over an Espeonage lynch tomorrow even if Maria had been hanged. He's more lilkely scum, IMO.

I thought that beginning of day 2 as well, but didn't want to distract from lynching the obvious scum that was the worst by advertising it.

[brassherald]

If it is worth anything, I would have fought for a Wisdom lynch over an Espeonage lynch tomorrow even if Maria had been hanged. He's more lilkely scum, IMO.

I thought that beginning of day 2 as well, but didn't want to distract from lynching the obvious scum that was the worst by advertising it.

yeah but you're getting killed tonight if JJD isn't

and if we no lynch in 4p, the other one gets killed lol

Good point.

[brassherald]

I'll take the blame for the nauci track. I knew Nauci was the vig pretty much the start of day 2, so I tried to pull the NK by implying I was vig. I'm a VT.

[brassherald]

Math, I believe it id your time to officially claim.

[brassherald]

Oh, poo, I forgot already mea culpa.

[brassherald]

I empathize with Maria, I really do. But, I think it's Wis at this point. I don't want to hang a townie when we are so close to winning, and since my intent, her posts have been renewing my town read on her.

[brassherald]

prob better I get lynched today I still think scum is in wisdom/math and think they should be looked at going into tomorrow.

Let me ask you this, how confident are you that these Espeo is not scum?

I'm not saying that lynching him is on the table at all, but I think this is a lynchpin to the Lylo issue you are feeling.

[brassherald]

I bet Dunnstral posted in his PT but failed to confirm by pm and got lolreplaced

That makes no sense if they took Daychat, because then Wisdom would be the Mafia Traitor.

If this were true, they took Rolecop, and recruit the traitor.

[brassherald]

If anyone can help show me why ep is scum that'd be cool or why math/wisdom is town at this point It'd be helpful because all other flips have not shocked me what so ever

I'm just thinking a Wisdom vote ends it here. I'm fairly sure he's the last scum here. I agree Espeo is town, and if it's not Wisdom, it would probably be Math at this point, but Math is a far distant second in terms of my scum team right now.

The thing is, Math came in and argued for 2/3 of the scum to be lynched even if he did lynch Thor instead day 2. I also do not see him trying to talk Nauci into lynching his last scum partner yesterday after the Worst claimed a PR. He probably just backs off if he's scum and if we push, he claims he was tricked by it. Or, even better, becomes ConfTown by CCing and leading to the lynch when no one else claimed it. If you vote for Wisdom, I am like 90% sure we win.

[brassherald]

Actually, I made a better case for Town!Math than I thought, if it's not Wisdom, JJD is right, it's Esp.

[brassherald]

I was the one who ran up the duckling in the first place haha
Someone check wisdoms read progression

I'm also going to pull out, if Wisdom is final scum, he has been shading my reads literally since I first posted them. I already was right about 2/3 of the team. Could the shading have been because he knew I was right and didn't want people to follow the reads?

[brassherald]

I refuse to vote if it's not the hammer.

[brassherald]

Ugly duck was obviously town.

Maria needs to die today. Brass refusing to wear a blame hat is reading really bad too.

Math can be town. Jjd is dumb I have a long history of incorrectly reading wis. Someone tell me why brass isn't scum and I will vote wis.

I just want to hammer.

[brassherald]

I don't think a vig really even bothers CCing a vig claim. I certainly would not.

Okay, we need to stop the Speculation on the setup. We know for a fact that there are at least 3 PRs, all else is pure speculation.

Turns out I didn't post much yesterday, but I was trying to hint at me bing a PR and specifically vig here.

The Wolves, Lower thing I can explain, though. I was listening to the podcast R U Talkin' R.E.M. Re: Me? That morning, and that was why it was the song I thought of. Unrelated, it's a good podcast.

[brassherald]

Can we just get like examples of both claims to meta reads of Espeonage posted in the thread?

[brassherald]

VOTE: Espeonage

I hope this is right.

[brassherald]

WOOT! Got my hammer!

[brassherald]

If this is wrong, I'm 100% on Wisdom tomorrow, by the way, but I'm unsure on both of them. Just confident enough in my town reads on everyone else.

[brassherald]

means that over the night I've convinced myself it's maria and i'm fairly sure that no lynching is suicide for me

Can you case that for me?

[brassherald]

Math is the one I am sure is town right now.

But, between Wisdom and Maria, I am having a real hard time deciding which is scum and which is town.

[brassherald]

i mean you obviously have to say that either way

so i'm more planning on spending this day doing the research with brass

Sure, I have three depositions tomorrow, I will probably be back in full force Saturday.

[brassherald]

I have not yet passed judgment on the NL.

However, I do feel as if Math would have left JJD alive after last night's declaration that JJD would track between you two. Scum!Math might kill me instead, and let JJD proclaim one of you innocent and then push the lynch on the other.

Or maybe that's just the risk I would have taken. I would have 100% killed math last night if I were scum, by the way.

[brassherald]

I was prodded. My thoughts right now are that I'm going to lead to a town loss because I have no clue who the last mafia member is.

[brassherald]

are you still between maria and me or are you considering math too?

I'm considering Math as well, I really am just lost.

I feel like no lynch may still be the answer, even if reads have been shared. I would rather have a smaller pool since if I survived, I'd have a 50% chance to get the right scum than a 33% chance. I'm having a hard time eliminating anyone because of ridiculous situations playing in my head now.

[brassherald]

If I needed to vote right now, I'd actually probably go MariaR with absolutely no confidence.

[brassherald]

Mathdino could be scum because he lead the Thor wagon, and I realized yesterday his posts about what the mafia would have picked if he was there, doesn't matter at all if he's the traitor. That's his full setup spec. Plus, killing the IC is irrelevant now, because we don't know that the last scum was recruited or not. It would very easily be that the last scum is a traitor, and therefore, up until last night's kill, it doesn't matter who the NKs were. His arguments about Night Kills all account for if he's not a traitor, but I'm not willing to look at the NKs before we were down to just the possible traitor because we have no clue if the traitor was involved with a Night Kill outside of when JJD was killed last night. Though, he does make a good point about 347, it cuts his way, too.

Wisdom points coming next.

[brassherald]

For Wisdom, this is full paranoia, the posts seem too guarded. Like, intentionally trying not to give out information. I also find it very strange that there are posts asking for analysis without really providing much himself. Plus the tinfoil from my reads being right on Beefster and the worst and remarks that my scum hunting is bad, but that could just be because my methods are not very well accepted in mafia, even if they were effective this game.

[brassherald]

I will concede that, there is a 50/50 chance that the NK analysis for the earlier nights does matter.

With 4 PRs, the scum took 2 different buffs. Bulletproof and JOAT is out, rolecop in.

So, we either have a recruited traitor or daytalk. I would personally say recruit the traitor because daytalk is pretty "meh", imo, but I'm not going to be projecting my throughts on optimal play to Beefster and the worst, assuming that neither of them was originally a traitor.

[brassherald]

I get that, but the lack of information being shared is just why I've had such a hard time sorting you.

And, yeah, I think I'll go back to the old baseball adage, it's better to be lucky than good sometimes with my reads, which I feel like is what happened to me this game.

The main thing right now, and I mean no offense, but with your playstyle Wisdom, I kind of wish we had lynched you before MYLO because I just feel more confident in sorting the other people in the game.

[brassherald]

I guess so. I think I forgot about that because I was kind of laser focused on the worst that day

[brassherald]

Brass. TW knew I was town.

Huh?

[brassherald]

hard disagree

Can you provide some quotes that you think are scummy?

[brassherald]

>going through 356 posts nghhhhhhhhhhh I already said why I think he's scummmyyyyy if you want quotes it'll be tomorrow cause lol busy today

No need to rush. I do feel like it'd be helpful, though. We must have like a week left on our day length

[brassherald]

VOTE: Wisdom

not into this

no lynching is strictly suboptimal when there's conftown

i'm telling you brass is equivalent to conftown and none of the 3 of us are ever lynching him tomorrow

the only way he doesn't die tonight is if scum are sure he's going to make the wrong decision

me+brass making the call >>> the designated one of us making the call

Why wisdom over Maria?

[brassherald]

I'm still waiting for Math's response.

[brassherald]

Okay, now the million dollar question. Maria, would you be willing to end the game right here and now with a Wisdom lynch?

[brassherald]

I'll do another town Math case for Maria when I have a chance later on, my thinking is, though, we need Maria on board to lynch Wisdom since we need 3 votes. If both Maria and Wisdom are dead set on no lynching today, we have no lynch for the day.

[brassherald]

That's why I haven't voted, I'm still a little paranoid. I might just review the entire game over lunch today, provided I actually have the time to eat lunch today.

[brassherald]

Math, I'm kind of leaning towards no lynching right now. I'm just not sure either of us can do enough to both find the correct person as scum and convince the other townie to vote with us.

[brassherald]

I was going to send this to night, but I do want to give Wisdom and Math a chance to discuss this.

[brassherald]

Okay, but you won't today, because I'm town.

[brassherald]

already told you
scum-me goes with the crowd and lynches maria instead of trying to nolynch

So, why does scum!Maria nolynch rather than going with the crowd and lynching you?

[brassherald]

Math, let's start with this, did the scum pick day talk or recruit the traitor?

[brassherald]

If we think Recruit, I want to go back and ISO the worst to see if there's anything there

[brassherald]

yawn

VOTE: Beef

wake up

What do you think of Wisdom brass and Thor?

I keep rereading this post and wondering "Is this the worst talking to his scum buddy"? Or, is there a chance that the worst is trying to redirect a townie from one scum buddy and include another in there?

Math, you are clearly more experienced with the worst than I, any opinions?

[brassherald]

As things stand......

Townreading : JJD Nauci
Townlewning : Wis Math Esp
Null : Maria, Ugly
Lacklustre scumlean : brass

town: the worst, Nauci
townlean: Beefster, Thor665, brassherald
null: jmo16mla, Espeonage, MariaR
scumlean: Wisdom, UglyDuck
scum: Mathdino, JJD

pedit; oh my bad

We also have his two Day 2 read lists. Maria stayed null, while Wisdom moves.

And that's all I got out of the worst's iso that may help.

[brassherald]

Wait, that second read list was a joke, anyway, he was fucking around.

[brassherald]

if maria's scum, she's an unrecruited traitor

1. Why?
2.Would beef and the worst really pick day chat over recruiting their traitor?

[brassherald]

VOTE: MariaR

[brassherald]

Do this quickly, Math, I want to go to sleep.

[brassherald]

No Lynch (1) (L-2):

MariaR

MariaR (1) (L-2):

Wisdom

Not Voting (2):

brassherald, Mathdino

With 4 alive, 3 votes are needed to lynch.

Wisdom and brassherald have been prodded this gameday but I forgot to mention this!

Yes

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UNVOTE:

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I can probably join here tomorrow evening. I'm going to bed now. Good night.

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@Math, I can probably grab a few glances at just this game as I do some work, this evening just filled up, so if you are around, I'll respond as quickly as I can as I write up some motion papers.

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Sup
I got nothing on my mind really
Tough game lol

hard agree. I'm looking, and on the one hand, I don't see the scum motivation for MariaR to not just switch over to Wisdom when I asked her about that and you voted for him before.

But, on the other hand, Wisdom is making some good points about MariaR's recent play.

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Wisdom, why were you comfortable with conftowning me?

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there is no conftown in the game

brass is very likely town but not conftown

yes everyone is in the lynchpool

i dont care about discussinf our reads

one more person dead is one more person who cant be scum

Are these posts consistent with that?

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Okay, I am satisfied by that. Thanks for answering.

I also have no clue when our deadline is, by the way.

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You say my reads were bad but my sr was always (correct me if I'm wrong)
(Beef Judge Math Wisdom Worst)

Your scumreads were almost half the players?

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Math, what are you feeling right now? I feel like I want to end this game, but I'm having a hard time making up my mind.

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I will await your reread, then.

May the Force be with you. I've reread both of their ISOs and I'm just wishy washy every time I think I've got it.

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Math, I'm sorry if I keep going back to the same thing, but can you explain again why MariaR is not recruited?

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Wait, I could buy a daychat with Rolecop, because if they cop the traitor they find the traitor anyway. That was the main thing I was having a hard time getting over.

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It really bothers me that both of these are so recent and really are only when they need to case just one person, by the way.

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Well, HWS did say before they would have had to respond to the PM.

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Also, Dunn was replaced during the first phase, the pick phase, so he would not have had access to the mafia chat until after that phase unless he was an original mafia goon, right?

I think this is just you being crazy tinfoil, Math.

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Dunnstral has not confirmed his role. I am looking for a replacement.

Wisdom replaces Dunnstral.

Role PMs to go out at the end of the end of the original 72-hour period, to not give away alignments. Expect the updates Role PMs at 3 PM EST.

Here are the two posts about roles and the replace in order

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I'm ready to vote then. Are you?

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VOTE: MariaR

I think I got one of my town reads wrong day 1, it seems.

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I've had great reads on town and I don't town case myself because I didn't know if you want one

When did you have great reads on town?

You were suspecting JJD well after he was obvtown, suspecting Math for more than just pocketing, you straight up said you can't read me. I haven't seen anything about Espeo, or Nauci from you before they flipped.

Ugly Duck is the only townread I see that you had before they flipped.

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We are talking about your reads. I just don't understand how we, as outside observers, can look at your game and say, "Yeah, MariaR had great town reads this game" when you never called them out before the flip.

That's what I'm getting at.

Pedit: Even thought I found two of the scum Day 1, I'd also like to say I'm not taking credit for their deaths, I contributed a vote on the worst, but kind of went into my usual Day 2 to the end game personality where I just don't do much. Math has a good point on this stuff.

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UNVOTE:

I'm not supporting this.

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wow the ate works

VOTE: MariaR

Now that she's subbing out. I'm fine with this.

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At this point, it's just I'd rather lose to Wisdom than Maria anyway, and when I woke up this morning I was actually thinking the opposite.

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This game has seriously brought me around to policy lynches being a good thing. I swear I probably said policy lynches are stupid at least once in this game.

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I'll see if I have time to make a post of questions. To be honest, I'm probably past the point of any of the questions that actually help me, though. I know it seems weird, but legitimately the bad questions I ask that everyone seems to hate are an early game thing I do to start my sorting, now I am just at clarification stage, but I'll see if I have any.

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gg

Did town or Scum just win, Wisdom?

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who knows

You do, and Maria does.

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gg

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Oh, thanks for modding HWS.