Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)
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VOTE: the worst-
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WOWOWOWWOW
i literally just got the PM telling me to post
eat it mod i'm literally the only one who's posted-
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sure why not
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Is it bad that I actually think Nauci is town
I'm only on this wagon for the dental benefits-
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We have many disagreements on a theory levelIn post 34, Thor665 wrote:If you're voting a slot you think is town - yeah, it's inherently and objectively bad unless you're scum.
I could wagon brass if anyone's down for that-
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Me? Yeah
You I'm not sure on
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btw if anyone was wondering
really the primary version of this setup that isn't townsided is the one where the mafia literally either pick nothing or pick daytalk (assuming they can actually get something out of it)
when i ran this setup it was lost because people were like "oh yeah that makes sense for there to be 4 PRs seems legit"
even with the benefit of WIFOM (MAYBE SCUM MIXED THINGS UP), this setup becomes breakable with too many power roles
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501: Nothing
520: Daytalk + Rolecop
530: Daytalk + JOAT
539: Recruit + Rolecop + JOAT
548: Nothing
557: Rolecop + JOAT
574: Daytalk + Rolecop (I played this!)(I also am one of few people with access to this mafia PT, which has still not been archived after 4 years)
582: Recruit + Rolecop (I won this!)
594: Recruit + Rolecop + JOAT
622: Recruit + Rolecop + JOAT
644: Nothing
651: Recruit + Rolecop + Bulletproof
663: Rolecop
684: Rolecop + JOAT
711: Recruit (I modded this!)
I stand corrected. I do think it's pretty -EV to select Rolecop just to add another TPR that needs to be rolecopped/killed but that might be because I generally think MS PR play is hilariously obvious.
Scum tends to lose the more they pick I think. Not a 100% rule but it's definitely a trend.
Innocent Child is good when played well.
Also this setup is for some reason sometimes run as 12p and sometimes as 13p. Dunno how much that affects the balance.-
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Doing this either:In post 44, the worst wrote:How often does scum just pick nothing or pick only daytalk? I recall someone in the last game was talking about taking the two goon buffs to nullify GC which was interesting. Leaning on better setup specers than me as to whether this would actually work/whether people are likely to come up with it.
Last Stack the Deck Creature/Jay slot would have been a great d1 lynch until that damn claim. IC feels like an exceptionally good roll in this setup.
- Creates three useful TPRs anyway
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- Creates four TPRs that aren't Goon Cop
I'm generally of the opinion that the claimspace is more valuable than anything else.
At the very least, given the caliber of the majority of players here, I'd definitely expect a lighter scumteam. Especially after it's pretty much MD consensus that less is more.-
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I mean there's at least one additional PR to the inno child anyway.
Only mechanical advice I got is BG optimal play is probably to protect IC. Not because the IC or this specific IC is necessarily the most valuable protection, but because we can take an IC death to then imply there's no Bodyguard (since scum don't have a roleblocker). Plus the only real benefit of BG dying is... self-confirming that there is in fact a BG.-
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@Mod: Is confirming in the scum PT good enough for confirmation?
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trying to think if this says anything about thor's alignment (dependent on mafia flips)In post 52, HeWhoSwims wrote:As pointed out in the sample role PMs I explicitly ask(ed) for confirmation via PM. This is why Dunnstral was replaced, as he had picked up the PM but confirmed too late.
sorry i kept you waitingIn post 54, Thor665 wrote:Feel free to describe the theory of voting town in RVS as particularly pro-town.
I'll wait.
Literally the best you can manage is a gawd awful gambit claim. (which you're clearly doing spit with, and you can gambit voting a scum read too)
Then I'll roll my eyes.
Then we can move on.
@theworst - why do you think Nauci is less likely scum and Brass is more likely?
any vote has an opportunity cost of not someone else
i thought of chainsawvoting you for the nauci vote but an RVS thor wagon is generally useless even if you're scum
and vanity voting someone in RVS is similarly not that useful
my favourite RVS wagons by far are the lynchbaity players that draw attention to themselves with a weird playstyle/tone
basically i have little faith that this wagon was gonna lead to a lynch and the potential for readable reactions from nauci (who i don't KNOW is town, i just have a shitty 1 post read on) and from others was greater by joining that wagon
that said i like the brass wagon now better anyway
why did you ask the worst about it and not me?
explainIn post 55, jmo16mla wrote:I feel like you're getting enirely too involved in the setup...-
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ahhh good point
i mean dunnstral lurks out of games no matter his alignment
but does scumstral not realise that he's supposed to confirm?
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that would be a relief to not have to read wisdom lol
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Jjd choose between scumlynching brass and policy lynching Maria
Unfortunately can't do both
But yeah Maria reads are consistently < random-
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You literally started the game voting my only lock townread
I can't deal with you holding up lynches in even numbers-
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Where did you get the impression I was holding a grudge for anythingIn post 70, MariaR wrote:I'm not holding up anything you're holding a petty ass grudge for no reason what so ever. I'm just gonna ignore your comments since you have the ego of someone who thinks they're a genius and yet the pettiness of a 13 year old girl. Go on and try it
Cut the attitude pls thx
I said nothing insulting or personal to you
Feel free to explain how it's actually suboptimal fmpov to policy lynch you given your meta-
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Also i forgot jmo was the ICIn post 57, UglyDuck wrote:
Is it not good to be involved in the set up? Don't think we want to discourage potential town from reading through and making solve attempts...In post 55, jmo16mla wrote:
I feel like you're getting enirely too involved in the setup...In post 49, Mathdino wrote:I mean there's at least one additional PR to the inno child anyway.
Only mechanical advice I got is BG optimal play is probably to protect IC. Not because the IC or this specific IC is necessarily the most valuable protection, but because we can take an IC death to then imply there's no Bodyguard (since scum don't have a roleblocker). Plus the only real benefit of BG dying is... self-confirming that there is in fact a BG.
But with that in mind, this is probably our second scum
Would wagon as well
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see i feel like you just pathologically misrep people ingameIn post 77, MariaR wrote:
I assume you're grudging me or an issue because I have 0 idea where you get this idea that my reads are random or my meta shows that.In post 73, Mathdino wrote:Feel free to explain how it's actually suboptimal fmpov to policy lynch you given your meta
The fact you're wanting to policy lynch someone fordisagreeing with youjust blows my mind
- if you came to the conclusion that i was grudging you (and if you actually cared), you could've approached me out-of-game about it the last time i tried to policy lynch you, instead of spouting AtE to use to your advantage ingame
- i read a lot of games onsite. you have a record of sub-random reads as town. which is fine (a lot of players i really enjoy do), but you also push them (and town) over a cliff while arguing everyone else is idiotic, which distracts towns into having to argue with you forever when you respond THIS vitriolically
- your scum meta basically hides behind your anti-town town meta so people can't lynch you for being anti-town. you actively try to clear yourself on dumbtells
like you literally signed up for one of my games, rolled scum, and proceeded to pretend to not have read the rules or the game
- i would've been willing to policy lynch you regardless. the fact that you opened with possibly the most backwards read i can think of right now (which i'm starting to see is going to be an issue) just exacerbates the policylust.
no, i would obviously never policy lynch someone just for disagreeing with me. people disagree with me all the time.
- you didn't actually answer my question or acknowledge my concern, you just responded with "nah fuck you i'm ignoring you and your pettiness". which is a common theme to your gameplay.
- also our last real game together literally consisted of you, an effective daycop, holding up D1 to an unreadable vitriolic standstill, then trying to cop someone that radiantcowbells and i were 90% sure was scum (who we both have a 100% track record of reading), while we were literally trying to lynch them, while THE ENTIRE GAME was telling you to just check someone else
so my impression of you is just not a team player, and you seem to be pretending not to remember that
note that i don't actually think any of this is alignment indicative
i don't have much confidence in my ability to read maria (will defer to anyone here who does)
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no but that's the thing
i'm not the one getting upset here; i play as optimally as i know how with the facts on the table
- you haven't disproven anything i just said
- policy lynches are entirely game relevant, you're a lynch candidate for at least 2 people
- i just said in the post above that i'm not trying to lynch you because you disagree with me
you're playing up the "math has a big ego woe is me" thing to get AtE cred
do you have reasons for the JJD scumread
Edit: Sure. JJD has a meta (I checked it when they entered the thread) with completed games of either alignment. This "people are town because of confirmations" logic is, while fakable by scum, not something that I think JJD would actually choose to do as scum. It's outright an anti-scum thing to do; if JJD has actually read my games like he's claimed, he'd know that this kind of logic is exactly what I'd buy into.
So unless he's literally defending his scumbuddy for flaking out of the game entirely (in which case, balls), it's highly likely JJD is town.-
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lemme be more clear then
if JJD had 0 meta whatsoever, i'd be townreading them
given that they do have meta, i checked their scum meta to see if it's just something they easily fake as scum (because hell, good enough scum players should never be locktowned without intimate knowledge of meta)
it doesn't appear to be something they'd do as scum
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Told you guys the setup spec would pan out.
If Nauci was one of the OG 2 scum, we're dealing with 2 goons and possibly daytalk.
That said, I don't think Nauci is scum here. If Nauci IS scum, she seems to be playing the "play exactly as pro-town as you would if you were really town" philosophy, in which case she's literally good to have around even if scum.
It definitely seems like Nauci read Open 711. Her participation in the setup spec doesn't read like it's the second time she's typed it (the first time being the scum PT).
WKing means white knight, yeah. Aggressive unnecessary defence -- the IC doesn't need other people to say "don't tell the IC how to play" because the IC is never getting lynched anyway. It's the kind of thing designed to appeal to the IC's reads.
Analysis of brass's meta is correct, I'm guessing she read fferyllt's Newbie 1856 (with Thor) and potentially my later analysis of brass's play.
Case on brass is just the badvote. Scumread is about equal to Duck.-
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Town: JJD, Nauci
Probtown: Thor, Wisdom (pending my sleeping on this analysis)
Null: TW, Beefster, Espeonage
Lynchable: Maria
Probscum: brass, UglyDuck
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Hope you stick around onsite. I've been working at getting better at metadiving lately. Seems to be the Way of the Future lol
Open 711 (Stack the Deck) was one I modded and the worst played in. Potentially good for TW meta but otherwise not that useful.
D1. Town ran up confscum, confscum claimed roleblocker, town ignored the slot and lynched someone else
N1. Mafia AND the vigilante both shot the worst, but the Bodyguard absorbed both kills and fucking died.
D2. Town was like WELL I GUESS TW IS THE TRAITOR and lynched him.
N2. The vigilante shot the guy that the claimed-roleblocker """roleblocked""", hitting town.
D3. 8p MyLo, Goon Cop had no results, and they obviously lost.
Basically a train wreck for town due to lynching solely on mechanics.
If you can figure out how to reliably read MariaR by meta, then respect.
Also I was recently fucked over by scum-TW who successfully played his town meta recently in the Earthbound game, so there's that if you're interested (also has town-Beefster literally gamethrowing in MyLo so yeah).-
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oh whoops i mixed up my memory of uglyduck's post, swapped who he was defending and who he was attackingIn post 99, Nauci wrote:I don't see why we would ever want to not criticize conftown's posting. TIAM was a confirmed mason in that abortion of a game and scum MVPed. I didn't think anyone could be that anti-town, but I should set lower expectations for humanity.
I think IC answering questions directed at other people is very bad practice, correct me if I'm wrong.
the point stands though
UglyDuck's post was basically "hey IC, stop discouraging Math". This is designed to indirectly appeal to me and reads incredibly inconfident, like he's also trying to stay in the IC's good graces.
There's a way of critiquing innocent children like "Hey dude your reads are utterly awful" or "Please stop butting into my conversations while I'm trying to get reads", but then there's "Hey let's not discourage potential town here..."-
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The way the role PMs are written for Stack the Deck means that in that niche scenario that's literally never occurred in this setup's history, the BG absorbs all kills.-
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Used my IC status in this setup to justify literally not posting (I'd get lynched otherwise), shitposted a bit, poked a few players, then nailed the entire scumteam in EoD post.In post 114, jmo16mla wrote:As an IC, what do you propose I do?
IC is in a very unique position.
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okay see this is a very very bad postIn post 119, jmo16mla wrote:
Don't be so applogetic, or I'll think you're scum. LolIn post 113, the worst wrote:Awrighty just wondering whether you have an **angle** or just throwing some comments around
So, I like to catch up and post on individual posts that I agree or disagree with. I've never been great at making cases, just breaking down the game and getting better with reads as the game goes on and I see patterns/changes in play.
- if TW is scum, he's literally going to stop being so apologetic thanks to you showing your hand
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Wisdom's take on the game is identical to mine.
Which honestly, the last time I played a real game with Wisdom, literally made him scum -_-
whatever we'll see if we're right
Re: Setup spec: I would choose daytalk without traitor because daytalk is literally what enables you to find the traitor. Having a traitor is also arguably GOOD for mafia because it ruins any associations coming from the goons if they play well.
Re: Nauci: I considered that she was pocketing me, definitely (I'm not a total idiot lol). Just beyond that, I'm also developing a profile on what I think Nauci's scumrange is, and I think she's gone out of it. Buddying can come from town, and I wouldn't have gotten in the fight with Maria if I thought I would lose socially/rhetorically.
Re: Brass push: I didn't see that question. I agree he's capable of that as town, but I don't know what he is or isn't capable of as scum. I have him as more likely scum.
And the alternative was Nauci at the time which was a townread even before the "blatant pocketing" lol.-
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people are still wagoning a V/LA obvtown nauci for some dumb shit
instead of scumlynching brass/uglyduck (i'd actually more prefer uglyduck right now) or policy lynching maria-
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espeonage i know this is some dumb shit coming from me
but you gotta learn to take mafia less seriously to keep up with the current meta
that was a phonepost joke on my own tendency to policy lynch people
i actually really like jmo as a player
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See I definitely recognised Thor as playing what I know of his scumgame, so I could super get down with this, but I also know nothing of Thor's towngame (and just assumed these kinds of arguments are his general playstyle). I usually just read Thor off of how stupid his reads are.In post 151, Espeonage wrote:Thor is scum. This is thor's scum game. Thor is setting up fake arguments to get himself involved in a discussion that people will ultimately not want to take a side on. He needs to go EARLY or he will just systematically kill everyone that will oppose him.
Lynch the fuck out of Thor
What Thor town meta are you using?
Has nothing to do with that. It's the awkward tepidness of it. Like he's simultaneously WKing me (I don't need to be WK'd) while deferring to the IC. It's very different from calling the IC shit (what you're doing).In post 155, Espeonage wrote:
Dude. Arguing with the IC and telling him to stop being shit is hella pro town. Don't be fucking dumb. If the IC is shit and we follow the IC we lose. So we don't follow the IC.In post 75, Mathdino wrote:Also i forgot jmo was the IC
But with that in mind, this is probably our second scum
Would wagon as well
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We need to have a serious discussion about how being aggressive as town is better than being durdly. Your day play theory needs an overhaul I stg.[/quote]In post 157, Espeonage wrote:Used my IC status in this setup to justify literally not posting (I'd get lynched otherwise), shitposted a bit, poked a few players, then nailed the entire scumteam in EoD post.
IC is in a very unique position.
You can be active, butdon't show your hand as IC until you're ready to murder people.
I more meant "not wallposting". You can't seriously think my dayplay theory is "don't be aggressive". I pushed wagons all over the place as IC in that game.
The point in not showing your hand just means that the IC shouldn't explain in full what they're thinking internally and why, until they're ready to force the entire town to sheep them.
Like yeah this is my IC playstyle.In post 158, Espeonage wrote:You need to be either shutting the fuck up and throwing votes around without context until you get an idea on who is working with you, and who is working for you. (the former being town and the latter being scum)
My point is I think UglyDuck is doing the latter.
The action isn't AI, the phrasing is. If they were like "So are you gonna stop being fucking useless?" it'd be different. It reads like they're afraid of the IC coming after them.In post 160, Espeonage wrote:Ugly Duck has not done anything alignment indicative outside of calling the IC to account. Which I've also done, and funnily enough, you've done. So sure they could be scum but they've done jack shit that can tell us that.-
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EBWOP
I more meant "not wallposting". You can't seriously think my dayplay theory is "don't be aggressive". I pushed wagons all over the place as IC in that game.In post 157, Espeonage wrote:
We need to have a serious discussion about how being aggressive as town is better than being durdly. Your day play theory needs an overhaul I stg.Mathdino wrote:Used my IC status in this setup to justify literally not posting (I'd get lynched otherwise), shitposted a bit, poked a few players, then nailed the entire scumteam in EoD post.
IC is in a very unique position.
You can be active, butdon't show your hand as IC until you're ready to murder people.
The point in not showing your hand just means that the IC shouldn't explain in full what they're thinking internally and why, until they're ready to force the entire town to sheep them.-
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Not necessarily super experienced (although a lot of them are), but more aware of how not to make shit choices as scum. Hence why I believe town isn't stacked with PRs this game.In post 162, UglyDuck wrote:Can you clarify - I am new to this forum. Is this to say that you believe the player base of this game to be generally on the more experienced end of the spectrum?
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holy balls it's like you're trying to mimic all my reads lol
brass wagon looks pretty useless so let's do this
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I never said her scumrange precludes buddying. I saidIn post 163, Thor665 wrote:You're laughing a lot about it without actually addressing the question really.
Why do you think Nauci's scumrage precludes buddying?
If this is her town game I would be *shocked* to discover her scum game precludes buddying because it would make her super easy to sort.
Please back this up so we can all sort her in 2.5 seconds and be done with it [/sarcasm based on lack of belief this can happen because I think I'm being handed a load].
- I think she has in general gone out of her scumrange
- Buddying can come from town, and I often do get buddied by town
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also these are literally not readsIn post 165, Beefster wrote:Reads so far:
Nauci - This sort of self-consciousness is not the scummy kind. probtown.
Mathdino - usual levels of setup speculation. I'm going to stay far away from MD v Maria. Null for now.
Maria - waters muddied by MD v Maria.
Looking into brassherald.
do something game relevant please-
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it's justIn post 187, the worst wrote:Digging the Math/Wis mindmeld (I hope)
I'm stuck in an internal wifom deathtrap re townreading Math but they're both townleans at least
the last time i perfectly mindmelded wisdom to the point that i was hard defending him/WKing him all of D1
he was scum trying to pocket me
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yes it does
go read newbie 1856 and ISO me and thor
it absolutely comes from scum!Thor
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could've been wrong about uglyduck
i don't think the "mathdino/maria scumteam" thing comes from scum, that was interesting
feeling thor/brass/beefster right now-
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...?In post 194, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
Yeah? What if he's just waiting for you to flip town to call his scum buddy town??In post 193, Mathdino wrote:could've been wrong about uglyduck
i don't think the "mathdino/maria scumteam" thing comes from scum, that was interesting
And what's with the soul/gut read on the IC?
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Okay, but
1. That means him being scum despite the towntell is primarily consistent with Maria-scum (in which case hell yes let's just lynch Maria and see what she flips).
2. You and Espeonage are both incapable at reading IC-related sarcasm then?
Like, this is textbook grasping at straws. Get outta tunnel moddddeeeee-
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is this supposed to be a deep questionIn post 199, Thor665 wrote:
So your scum team is, in fact, a top scum reads list?In post 197, Wisdom wrote:
i was assuming you were implying it doesnt make sense for some reasonIn post 195, Thor665 wrote:My role PM.
You're arguing it as a scum team - why?
This is a childish word game dodge. Not impressed.
otherwise, i find you scummy, i find ugly scummy, so it makes sense
most people try to see if their top scumreads are consistent as scum together-
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1. I'm not going to out my entire profile on Nauci just to prove to you that my read is genuine. If she's scum, creating a massive list of things that scum-Nauci wouldn't do would literally allow Nauci to get townread and beat me.In post 195, Thor665 wrote:
Okay.In post 180, Mathdino wrote:I never said her scumrange precludes buddying. I said
- I think she has in general gone out of her scumrange
- Buddying can come from town, and I often do get buddied by town
2 separate points.
1. What is her scumrange in your opinion and how is she out of it here?
2. Why did you find her buddying here so clearly town as to not deserve questioning when it was not just buddying, but a blatant attack on someone for doing what you were also doing, while ignoring that you did the same?
Like dude there's a limit to how much I'm willing to get into the nitty gritty.
2. Because I came off as more charismatic than Maria and socially "won" the argument, and I knew that when I got into the argument that I was going to "win" it?
Like I'm not going to give someone shit for reacting exactly as I expected people to react to that. *I* would've reacted like that.
And the fuck are you asking me to do to question it? It's literally Nauci being like "Wow Maria's kind of a dick here" mixed in with other game relevant content. I have no reason to have any issue with that. Townies have taken my sides in arguments before when I paint other players in bad lights.
You're just... not asking good questions dude. And I'm gonna be honest, I know it's a huge meme that meta is trash, but people who literally don't believe in meta are lying to themselves. Some people are harder to meta (a lot of players are outside my ability to meta), but it's almost always still doable.In post 196, Thor665 wrote:@Math - also, the fact that you're even momentarily entertaining the absolute garbage play that my scum game would differ from my town game is either offensive to me, or I have *grossly* misrated the level of your play quality.
Since I've seen you as town, i don't think it's the latter.
So what is this waste of air exactly?
Your reads are off, you're not making the pushes that I would expect you to, you're currently wasting your vote on someone V/LA, you're asking a bunch of questions with mostly NAI answers, and then questioning OTHER people for not asking the same questions you are...
I expect you to be more pro-town I guess. If I can't toneread/metaread you I'll motivation read you. You haven't seemed to have been doing much for town wincon.-
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Because that question, along with the majority of the questions you've asked, are playstyle-indicative and skill-indicative rather than alignment-indicative.In post 203, Thor665 wrote:Why, how do you find the question not worth asking?
It's not a sorting question. This is a thing Wisdom does. You know that. This is a thing people do in general. You know that too. You're not an idiot.-
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hoooooly scumclaim batman i did not see this one comingIn post 206, Beefster wrote:Mathdino's posts strike me as IIOA mixed with lurkscum opportunism
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@Thor:
- I don't think I should've caught you last newbie game, and I think that the fact that your pushes were obviously shitty means it's possible your scumplay has regressed a bit. I obviously don't know about your townplay because I haven't gone through the motions there yet.
- Show us results then.
- what the fuck?
wait what?
seriously WHAT?
literally the last time stack the deck was run (something i ran) the D1 bodyguard claim was just an awful idea
if you want to make that proposal, then go right the fuck ahead dude
but you're literally trying to interrogate me for not having come up with that idea?
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I expect you to play well as town. I caught you for not playing well (in my eyes). That's basically my baseline.In post 211, Thor665 wrote:@Math - also, where do you come out with 'Thor isn't asking the questions I'd expect' while also saying stuff like 'I have no idea how Thor plays as town'.
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thor i'm gonna be honest this is kinda muddying the game
i don't consider the answers produced by your questions to be especially alignment indicative
like the best i can say is that you seem to be intent on pressuring people to put them on edge or something
but even that doesn't seem to be working
Edit: are you seriously arguing this thor
like do you actually believe the bodyguard should claim-
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So there's basically no way we lynch anyone other than Beefster and thor today-
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thor it's not even necessarily that BG claim is utterly awful
i'm almost positive it doesn't change EV at all; it doesn't change claiming strategy because the IC's death will just confirm lack of BG
the point is that there's no universe in which town-you thinks that's a good idea
also i literally modded this setup and then called the D1 BG claim stupid
so if you're trying to argue that mathdino could be scum for not coming up with a "breaking strategy" that you expect, that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard-
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I don't think you understand the point of my newbie break-
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Tracker is 2/3 of the time impossible to kill
Claiming makes them either immune or makes them eat a shot for the cop
Like this discussion is so hilariously irrelevant to any sense of good strategy lol-
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For context people should ISO me and thor in newbie 1856 to see why
1. My break was different from asking the BG to claim (WHICH I'M ON RECORD AS A MODERATOR FOR THINKING IS BAD)
2. Thor as town would call that idea utterly idiotic
NGL I think thor is fishing for pr tells
This discussion only ends badly-
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Brass doesn't get d1 lynched imo
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Oh boy
I gave you your opportunity to go post in my MD thread about the setup and you did not
Incidentally the setup is even more broken than we'd imagined but that's beside the point
I'm stating 2 opinions that I've held on record outside of this thread
You don't actually believe that's alignment indicative my dude
This was a leading interrogation from the start
I'm done with this discussion, sorry, there's a limit to my desire to fill the thread with bad setup spec-
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Like, if you wanna talk to me about setup spec and breaking strategies some other time, feel free
That's irrelevant though
1. Everyone agrees its a bad idea. You clearly don't actually think it's a good idea.
2. I'm on record elsewhere for saying it's a bad idea. I also literally played as a bodyguard and did not claim d1.
3. I never use fake setup spec to my advantage in an open game as scum. Why the fuck would I do that? You accused me of the same shit in fferyllts game and I told you that same thing
4. You thinking this is alignment indicative for me is fake as hell. This is a process to build up to voting me based on a shit profile of "things town Mathdino would think".-
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