Open 718: MLOASR - Game Over

[Aubrey]

In general, I'm not opposed to setting up a plan for known visitations. It is however ingrained in me to never let a day go by, and not lynch someone unless threatened with a premature game end. I'm not a big numbers person, so I'm not seeing how the NK is crucial here. To refuse to have someone lynched just doesn't seem like a game that will force much activity and scum-hunting within that day phase.

[Aubrey]

(Under the assumption we all agree with this plan)

I kinda wish you would have held onto this idea of yours until mid day, or closer to the end of day, just so some actual scum hunting would have gone down.

The fact we’re basically giving up a day, and a player, is unappealing. However there isn’t much scum hunting that will be profitable without the threat of a lynch.

[Aubrey]

I kinda wish you would have held onto this idea of yours until mid day, or closer to the end of day, just so some actual scum hunting would have gone down.

Let me reiterate: This plan/idea puts weight on the COP being alive. If we lose the Cop on N1 we lose more than 50% of the plan's effectiveness.

It thus had to be put out for discussion (and hopefully approval) as early as possible.

You say we missed out on a chance to scum hunt and I say Scum missed out on a chance to PR hunt.

I disagree with the last sentence, but all of this is a moot point and not worth further talk over.

[Aubrey]

I thought we were simply not lynching today and only today. Did I misunderstand something?

[Aubrey]

.....So basically, we're playing follow the cop. Not very exciting.

[Aubrey]

I seriously doubt the mod will hand us such critical info as to how someone died.

[Aubrey]

Just for visual sake (or call it visual parroting), I guess where Proflii is coming from is:

8 town, 2 scum

arm, kill

5, 2

mislynch one of the two culprits, Night kill

3, 2

Scum lynch, NK

2, 1 LYLO

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This scenario doesn't include a possible arming from the other scum-mate, and is based on the first arming taking out only vanilla townsmen. Furthermore, if only one person is killed in a group after arming, then it automatically puts the person who didn't die as a likely PR for the scum-team.

[Aubrey]

My main concern is where are we going to be when we do have to lynch if we are not scum hunting. Your plan just makes me feel like we are taking random shots at who maybe scum when the time comes, and heavily relying on the investigations for poe.

That is my biggest concern.

[Aubrey]

Just throwing out a counter plan to A50's:

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One thing I absolutely agree with A50 is having a plan for knowing who is going to shadow who to counter-act scum's arming ability. Wouldn't it be simple enough to have everyone pick one single target during the day phase to shadow during the night before a lynch is decided? Once a target is picked nobody else can pick that target. Scum of course will randomly pick someone and not shadow, and the PR's should simply lie outright, and investigate/protect whoever they want even if they say they are going to shadow X. Thus if scum do arm, and a vanilla is killed, we know who they shadowed at night.

Hopefully this makes complete sense.

PR's obviously lie about who they will "

shadow,

" so that they are not limited as to who they can protect & investigate.

It could be even as simple as vanilla townies always shadowing the person below them in LlamaFluff's post 1 . And should someone die, you skip to the next name below yours.

<<THIS SHOULD BE THE PLAN IF WE GO THIS ROUT

as it will limit confusion.

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The above plan will promote scum hunting, and to A50's desire, limit scums desire to arm. The negative parts to this plan is the potential of forcing a PR to claim should they become a prime lynch candidate, which A50's plan hopes to limit. It also will likely not focus on poe in the end as much, but rather our individual scum-hunting abilities.

[Aubrey]

Your basically giving scum a free day. I don’t like that. My plan doesn’t make D1 fruitless like yours. Secondly, you over panicking and over directing PR’s like you are doing is not helping them to hide well.

[Aubrey]

You just argued that my plan can cost 3 lives, yet the same thing was brought up against yours. Furthermore there is no way to completely protect a PR from potential death. You wish to depend mainly on the PR’s to get by while I wish to depend on individual scum hunting with possible PR assistance to get by. Chances are neither of us are going to convince the other on which plan is better.

[Aubrey]

I love how you sat there so concerned about scum not hitting power roles and you just told them your not the cop. Lovely.

[Aubrey]

I’m also a dude, dude.

[Aubrey]

Lol. Sure A50, I can agree to your lil plan.

[Aubrey]

Just let me know when ya'll decide to actually scum-hunt, and I'll come back alive.

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@Montosh: Without the threat of a lynch, it's hard to adequately push people. In the end, it's a waste of time basically to try doing his plan today while pushing one-other at the same time during this day phase. Wagon analysis, and reasons for why people are voting one another is gone. The only thing that you'll likely be able to get any glimmer of info off of is seeing who/how people are interacting with the current events up to this point.

[Aubrey]

BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR THE NUMBERS THAT WE DON'T LYYYYYNCH ANYONE ON THE FIRST DDAAAAAAYYYYY. Least that was what A50 kept screaming up until he considered people speed lynching me that is.

[Aubrey]

VOTE: no lynch

without the time to go through Aubreys counter plan in too much thought, my gut feeling is A50 is right and that is a scum pushback

Coming from the guy who also kept trying to break his plan?

[Aubrey]

Scum will probably just kill me in the night so there are no cop confirmations most likely, unless they have some small clue as to who a PR may be. Great way to come out of my short break.

VOTE: no lynch.

[Aubrey]

Following his plan,

No scum-hunting would happen until the cop claims with a scum investigation, and has thus hopefully forced the game into a narrowed pool of candidates. From there minimal scum hunting would probably ensue and we would be taking pot shots more than likely for the last remaining scum.

[Aubrey]

We both offered opinions against A50, and have both caved to A50's plan (even though I'm caving mainly because I'm outnumbered in preference) . Regardless, we are the same except only one of us is being called scum for it.

[Aubrey]

@profli is that isn't apparent

and spelling error. exact same*

[Aubrey]

You mean yourself and myself? Sorry bud, but you and I are the only ones seeing eye to eye here. Everyone else seems happy to follow momma duck A50

[Aubrey]

Shhhhhhh.

Say that to loudly and you may get scum-read for it! People don't like people who prefer different approaches around here.

[Aubrey]

ONE MORE TILL NO LYNCH GUYS!

Then either scum kill me, or I come into tomorrow an innocent man! Boy OH boy!

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Is I thought it was L1

[Aubrey]

Oh you're right. That's hammer. Missed the lil bird. K, Night night.

[Aubrey]

Tomorrow, check into those who kissed A50's ass, or were aloof, or shy to actually think for themselves.

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Profli is also an oddball that I liked at first, but his eagerness to kiss ass and follow A50 in painting me as scum bothers me a bit. Scum naturally would love to influence the cop into choosing a candidate that isn't themselves obviously.

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I'll giggle myself silly and applaud A50 if they are scum going for the. "

IM SO TOWN LOOK AT ME GO BEING TOWN, I HAVE TOWN PLANS

," but likely I think they are just bull headed town here.

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Lalendra is a small town-read simply because I feel as if she is looking for reads based on what she said about A50 early game. If I die here, good luck.

[Aubrey]

Yes.

[Aubrey]

Love how you're being a bit dazed now after full heartedly agree'n to the no lynch plan, and agreeing with A50 that I'm scum that should be investigated now. Instead of asking people if it's still a go, shouldn't you be advocating for people to stay on board? Odd.

[Aubrey]

Hope everyone doesn't chicken out of Lord A50's plan. I look forward to flipping town, or hearing nothing out of the cop tomorrow.

[Aubrey]

Dear god. Ya’ll are killing me with this PR hunting shit. If mafia turns into a game where all we do is rely on PR’s consider me done with the game altogether.

[Aubrey]

Then consider me not a fan from a player engagement point and of view. I doubt I’ll enjoy this game if it just makes me sit on my ass and do nothing until we get to the point where we guess which hand has the rock in it.

Lucky for me, scum will kill me tonight or I’ll be proven innocent.

[Aubrey]

I’m trying to egg on the cop even though A50 proposed the cop to investigate me in the first place? Okay. Sure. Cool. Awesome.

[Aubrey]

So anybody who follows you is town huh? Or do you have better reasons.

[Aubrey]

Specifically Willy.

[Aubrey]

So what now captain A50? Another exciting day of no lynching I presume?

[Aubrey]

Waits for A50 to demand an investigation on Montosh*

[Aubrey]

Didn't realize I was being mean exactly? Regardless, I will cease if it makes you feel any better, and change my wording.

[Aubrey]

In a more matter of fact way of putting it my thoughts out there:

those who oppose you do not = scum and those who agree with you do not necessarily = town. That is how you have come across to me. You say scum are likely to oppose your plan, but I would argue scum or more likely to sit back and try to go with the flow of the game. Especially early on because they don't want to end up in positions like myself at the end of the day.

that is why I said those who were quick to aggree to the plan, and put out little content, are those to who deserve some shifty glances later on.

[Aubrey]

@Aubrey: I caught Titus using this very same method. I proposed the plan and she was opposed to it, because -realistically- this gives scum a 10% chance to win anyway, so one of them HAS to try and derail it.

Who were the only ones to oppose you? Myself and Montosh. Am I not wrong in assuming you scum-read them as well?

[Aubrey]

Sigh*

We really are two players who come at this differently. Shame we can't get along a bit better seeing as I'm about to be a solid town read, and I have a decent town read on yourself.

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As for my

meaningless question

, you asked me why I made the comment, and I answered in the form of a question. There is your answer.

[Aubrey]

So why was Wilky a townread for you A50? besides him agreeing with you.

[Aubrey]

I think Floosh has potentially just flaked.

2 days absence (though undesired) is not a flake.

[Aubrey]

VOTE: Ashoka

[Aubrey]

Is there reason for her to be townread that I’m missing?

[Aubrey]

Mono, time to slap a vote down

[Aubrey]

I have 3 people I can currently point to small things potentially coming from a town perspective.

A50
Wilky
& Lalendra.

I'm not quite ready to slap Mon into that list just yet despite his activity, and parroting some of my feelings.

Everyone else I have nothing to read into so far.

[Aubrey]

My Ashoka vote was cast because she was the first to come into the game, and said nothing else afterwards, even though she mentioned being excited for the game start. I'm aware D1 was short, and Sunday was Easter, however her just saying, "

Why are you voting me

" coming into day 2 doesn't thrill me exactly. It was an obvious activity vote much like the vote on Floosh.

[Aubrey]

I don't understand the TR or Lalendra (however, if that should in anyway compromise a PR even by reducing the pool, I'd be content to stay blind for now).

Town-lean.

I liked her post 18 a bit. In particular, there was a line in it that made me feel like it was potentially coming from a town perspective.

[Aubrey]

Wilky is only a

slight

town lean due to post 136.

[Aubrey]

So are we scum hunting now? I'm sorry, I'm not really following along with what we have to do now, do we no lynch again and get another cop read to narrow the lynch pool? Or are we killing the lynch pool now?

130

[Aubrey]

You’re basically arguing my buddy A50 set me up to likely die today by trying to get the cop to investigate me last night, so that he can try and ride the game out being a strong townread and leader following my likely death. 1: The cop hadn’t revealed themselves screaming I’m scum. 2:Playing in such a way as scum is a super high risk, and one that would likely fail in time.

[Aubrey]

However I remember Almost 50 posting that to avoid PGO that the cop could choose not to go for Aubrey, in which case would mean that we don't know if Aubrey is town yet. So while I wouldn't say Aubrey is confirmed, they're certainly likely to have been copped.

And then A50 posted the below after rethinking it a bit more...

P-edit: OK.. Cop DOES investigate Aubrey is the best play. Maybe I'm being overly paranoid, so we will see about that.

So, there you go.

Let's move somewhere.

VOTE: Aubrey

Funny, A50 is also going after lurkers yet you ignore him? You should be looking at us in the same light if that is the only reason why you suspect me. Moving on...

I will agree with you that lurkers are easy targets for scum

(

worked to my benefit when I got Lalendra hung in my latest game

)

, but let me also point out scum like to keep options open when possible, yet myself and A50 are the only ones really placing people into categories for town and scum freely without being questioned. I'd hope someone like yourself who should have decent mafia experience would know that fundamental.

In short, you voting me for voting one lurker while ignoring another player whose doing the same without consider my other reads, is as weak as my activity vote on Ashoka.

[Aubrey]

Montosh, I get the feeling you're commenting in areas that are easy to generate content, and wavering on a vote because you want to see how the tides will flow...This is what is causing me to hesitate with you and your spot. I'm the only read you have, and you've been given a pretty narrative to follow for that read. Other than that, the only reads I'm seeing from you is a activity pool separation.

Call it paranoia.

[Aubrey]

Wait, missed the Wilky and Lalendra scum-reads. I have town-leans on them so bleh, but those are reads nobody else has really mentioned so far. Paranoia is lessened a bit.

[Aubrey]

(worked to my benefit when I got Lalendra hung in my latest game)

hate you

[Aubrey]

Lalendra trying to argue this mastermind plan of A50 and myself reads over paranoid town-ish to me. I actually follow Montosh’s argument against Wilky, but Wilky arguing against a townread on himself read kinda town to me awhile back. Everything else he has said is nai. I’m fine with keeping my vote where it is. I sense no game solving from the young Jedi. Have you turned to the dark side?

[Aubrey]

You’ve been kinda coasting to me Wilky in worth of content, not activity. That’s just my opinion.

[Aubrey]

you repeated a question I had already asked. You asked me about an obvious vote. You made two or three quick snarky responses that didn’t go anywhere that I remember. You’ve made 2 reads, one from an omgus POV, and one that was fed to you by a narrative. Am I missing something?

You’re basically just arguing that you’re more active than our lovely lurkers, so you can’t be scum. What’s worse, you’re wanting to continue this debate with me when I’ve Defended you. Seems to me you feel like you’ve put more towny content out than what we are recognizing because you know your alignment.

[Aubrey]

Might be over reading into that if Wilky thought my town lean was diminishing. But whatever for now.

[Aubrey]

Shouldn't Floosh be up from replacement about now?

@MOD.

?

[Aubrey]

Myloninja13, Ahsoka, and the two replacements

are the 4 players with the least content to judge on. Whither scum or town, you're serving your slots a disservice. I may not be able to demand much from disembodied slots, but I can from Myloninja13 and Ahsoka. Amenimen before replacing out said he townread Myloninja for being confused about what path the town was taking. I do not see how that is town indicative personally.

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I waver with aneninen's slot. I disliked his reasons for why he was against me, but I can't help but respect the fact he went after me. I'm the harder target for scum to go after I'd argue. Him town-reading Myloninja (

an easy slot to feed to the dogs currently)

is also positive/interesting to note even if I disagree with the reasons for that read as well.

[Aubrey]

Stay safe Aneninen.

[Aubrey]

Sorry for being absent in this game, I always kind of forget about it when it shows up on my thread lists.

This does not inspire confidence.

[Aubrey]

Okay, big question for you then. Forget the cop. Do you scumread me based on my content alone? I’ve given you plenty to read into, and I’m all ears. And try not to beat around the question.

[Aubrey]

No. I don't think I've given any indication that I scumread you.

I'll ISO you tomorrow with more detail.

I ask trying to figure out why you posted the concern.

[Aubrey]

No. I don't think I've given any indication that I scumread you.

I'll ISO you tomorrow with more detail.

I ask trying to figure out why you posted the concern.

I don't scumread you, but not scumreading someone is a lot less powerful than having an obvtown read. If we were confident that the cop followed the plan, and knowing that they haven't said anything today, then you'd basically be confirmed town, moreso if the cop ever flipped. Like, I'd say I townread you. But a townread is far less powerful that having an effective Innocent Child.

Welcome to a game in which there are few smoking guns and few 100% certainties.

[Aubrey]

Nearly that is the key to your sentence.

[Aubrey]

Why did scum kill profii over Audrey?

104 is my guess.

[Aubrey]

I don't like that ahsoka is still afk and not giving a damn here

scumpost

Eh, though I think Ahsoka has game flaked at this point. Will probably re-evaluate later in the weekend and move my vote. Not exactly seeing A50 as scummy though.

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There is one player that is bothering me in particular because I've seen them active elsewhere on site, but not here.

Myloninja13

, I've seen you around.

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Still not seeing the towny-ness from that slot that other people seem to be seeing.

[Aubrey]

Activity needs to go up, otherwise we'll just keep shifting votes mostly based on activity tells until the lynch lands on some unfortunate soul.

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Lalendra, what pop'n?

[Aubrey]

01] Almost50

[02] Myloninja13
[04] Montosh
[05] Flubbernugget (Floosh)
[06] Ahsoka Tano

[08] Lalendra

[09] wilky

[10] Iconeum (Aneninen)

Everyone crossed out, I have said I found/felt something potentially coming from a town alignment

at some point

.

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Mon is working his way into my heart, but there is a way he comes across that just naturally stirs paranoia in me. Can't really explain, but not interested in voting that slot currently either.

Wilky was initially a town-read I felt, but is losing favor with me slowly. I don't care for his vote, and the reasons for it. Him not understanding where Mon and I were coming from also is kinda bothering me some in aftermath, but I hope to see more from him later on.

Lalendra is just gut vibes as mentioned. Heart is saying town. My head tends to rule out my heart often though.

[Aubrey]

but there is a way he comes across that just naturally stirs paranoia in me.

I've been sitting here trying to figure out how to explain this, because I know you're probably wondering why I keep side-eyeing you,

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But there is this little voice in the back of my head telling me you're likely town, yet the way you say things and focus in on things, reminds me of myself as scum. You questioning the night kill I think is what began to cause this little voice in the back of my head to begin vouching for you though. Not because you questioned the night kill, but rather the timing of it.

[Aubrey]

Her thinking A50 and I to be the big bad scum team seemed like something overly paranoid town would say.

[Aubrey]

....

[Aubrey]

....

SCUM CLAIM

lol jk

*Spits drink*

LMAO.

[Aubrey]

Well then Aubrey activates = cop dies in night = Aubrey conf scum
Aubrey doesn't activate = cop outs with guilty d2 = Aubrey conf scum

What?

Long story short, A50 demanded myself to be investigated. If no alarms are rung, likely it would denote which alignment I'd probably belong to. No alarms have been rung. On the flip side, had the cop wound up dead, then it would mean I activated my kill switch to take out a power-role.

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I need to get my head back in the game. The general lack of activity has kinda just drained me of my efforts.

[Aubrey]

I'll re-evaluate Lalendra later, but this lynch seems to just be a activity lynch.

[Aubrey]

Aubrey, I thought the cop was directed to investigate you yesterday

Yes.

[Aubrey]

I'm fine with Math's plan.

[Aubrey]

I have no opnions on Iconeum or Flub by themselves yet.

as for Aneninen, he went directly after me coming into Day 2 for voting in-actives. I didn't care for him at first, but then I began to wonder, "

would scum really go after someone who was likely investigated? Or go with the flow of the game, and target others?

" I assumed the latter, and gave him a town lean just for that. There's the chance he was just oblivious, but I liked the aggression and willingness to confront a player who was active, and willing to bite back vs. sheeping or targeting easier slots.

[Aubrey]

.....Sorry for my asking, but have I played with you before

Math

dino?

[Aubrey]

I was feeling a familiar radiance.

[Aubrey]

Never heard of 'em before.

[Aubrey]

Something tells me I've played with Red before as well under a different name....

[Aubrey]

Almost could be mafia for wanting a cop on aubrey also killing the game

?

[Aubrey]

Not townreading him, didn't feel like combing through his ISO right now

Open to good reasons to think otherwise though

There was a moment in which he asked if X reason was why Profli was killed. 1) the reason he brought forward was improbable imo. 2) he brought this up at an odd point in time, a time in which I feel town would be more likely to mention it than scum. Especially since he had been active a decent bit before hand. That is something scum would more than likely lead with into the day phase vs. mentioning much later after the initial start.

Take it for what you will. It's the best reason I have for town-leaning him beyond the concern and activity he has shown which in general is NAI.

[Aubrey]

.....shit.

[Aubrey]

If this is a fake claim....I’m fine with a counter claim personally.

[Aubrey]

Think I’d rather see Red hang over the others. I can at least make sense out of them.

[Aubrey]

You just said he was likely scum, now you suddenly can’t put your finger on it? But can absolutely read him?

[Aubrey]

The info is readily available for him to figure out who he replaced. There is no reaso for him posting that and is a poor towntell due to the readily available info.

[Aubrey]

I townread the other two over him currently.

[Aubrey]

If there is no counter claim, are we good with everyone watching me tonight btw?

[Aubrey]

I’m not townreading him for that alone.

[Aubrey]

I probably like montosh the most out of your grouping, but fear him the most as well.

[Aubrey]

He's saying since there are two scum, chances are he would have gone to the PT (

seen the two scum names there

) and would have been less likely to forget them if he were scum.

[Aubrey]

.....hes more of a lynch that goes through when you are to scared to make hard calls on players that you have wavering feelings on. Cutting out wasteful slots isn't a terrible thing imo. Why do you so heavily town-read him again? You said he had some obvious signs.

[Aubrey]

wasteful as in slots not doing a-lot.

[Aubrey]

tbh i don't think i care enough about hard-defending mylo to go and out all the towntells i'm seeing in his posts
cuz obviously then scum-him would continue dropping towntells and fooling me

i agree that he really should contribute more so it's probably not positive utility for me to swoop in for him here

I’m not asking for a hard defend. I’m just wanting to know what you saw as him being potentially townie.

[Aubrey]

Who would you be willing to lynch outside of montosh again?

[Aubrey]

I’d prob be more likely to lynch icon over Mon just because I townread mon more than icon. I doubt we will lynch either of the two tho. I waver with Wilky.

[Aubrey]

It’s mostly an activity lynch.

[Aubrey]

Who can montosh be scum with?

[Aubrey]

Two of those associations I’m willing to vote.

[Aubrey]

And voting one of them already.

[Aubrey]

I have plans tomorrow after 12 cst. Afterwards I’m not going to be available.

[Aubrey]

Montosh unvotes his counterwagon and saving grace. Interesting.

[Aubrey]

Icon wants Wilky dead but doesn’t support the wagon. What gives?

[Aubrey]

For the record math,everything you’ve said regarding montosh are things I’ve fought with in the back of my brain and touched upon. Not nearly as detailed, but I still hold concerns for voting him. The timing for him commenting about why profli may have been killed (and a reason I consider incorrect), and now the most recent back off of his counter wagon....i’d Kick the shit out of myself if I were to vote him out of the fear of being wrong when I had reasons to think him town.

[Aubrey]

now the most recent back off of his counter wagon

Edit:

Backing off of a wagon that contrasts his own wagon*

[Aubrey]

I'm bout to head out for the day....I don't know when I'll be back home. I dislike no lynches, and I fear that is what may come.

[Aubrey]

It's a "

I understand your issues with the slot, but this is why I waver

" type of deal than anything else.

[Aubrey]

I'll try to peek in before 7 my time.

[Aubrey]

VOTE: iconium

Sorry dude.

[Aubrey]

For the record I only glimpsed at what was said since my last check.

[Aubrey]

I though I was going to kick the bucket. I’ll read up today or tomorrow.

Sorry Icon!

[Aubrey]

- Both scum went along meekly with a plan that, despite its flaws, I think was largely pro-town. This is possible, because A50 did seem to have a tight grip on things at the time so it was possible that they thought that opposition to the plan might result in backlash. I feel like this is sorta what you were getting at Aubrey, that right?

- But it still feels weird that neither scum would oppose this plan, try to sow doubt about it, so it's possible they didn't because A50 is scum and he was angling for townie points with the plan. Drawback for scum is that it is, as mentioned, a largely pro-town plan... so not great on that score. But he has been able to sorta melt away as town leader and be mostly townread. Outside chance of Math/A50 scumteam, thinking Lalendra's scumread on A50 could be a bus... it felt artificial to me given that it seemed kinda outside possibility.

Correct.

&

Eh, I'll fret bout a A50 scum possibility further down the line. Frankly I believe in my first point, and why should scum say anything when I (and yourself) were doing most of the fighting on that front? Look where it also landed myself in the end of D1. I'd suspect scum to either follow the plan, or take a lukewarm stance on it.

Until then, I vote the meek lurker

I mean...I'm not the biggest fan of Wilky, but I don't see him lurking at the moment. I genuinely think the guy is busy right now, or just couldn't be bothered. I did agree that his early content didn't really feel like much.

^this post looks weird while we are lyning montosh, why vote me?
Mylo is probably scum with montosh
VOTE: montosh

....?

[Aubrey]

Fuck, missed a page.

[Aubrey]

Lang Buddha

This guy....

[Aubrey]

I'm actually judging by play in this game though, and I think we have this game in the bag I'm tempted to call on the JK to claim outright.

Something in me says no.

[Aubrey]

^this post looks weird while we are lyning montosh, why vote me?
Mylo is probably scum with montosh
VOTE: montosh

What also happened to the scum read on Wilky, and where is that being factored in here?

[Aubrey]

I'm feeling Red. His most recent scum grouping baffles me when he should also be grappling with his previous read on Wilky's slot in my mind. Jus give me a second to center myself.

[Aubrey]

you're biased against scumreading montosh because
- high effort
- he and you strongly vibe on A50's plan ruining D1 and the gamestate

High effort, sure. Makes me want to lean town even if effort isn't exactly AI.

Echoing similar concerns, not so much.

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I've already told you why I waver with him though in general.

[Aubrey]

I dont have to vote someone to pressure them Math. Nor do i care to play dictator here Montosh. Not my style. Im mostly waiting to hear from Flub and Red to respond. VOTE: Red.

[Aubrey]

It’s just the way he is. Boisterous. Passionate. Sometimes hardheaded I think. I don’t find those characteristics scummy in themselves. You’ll need more than that if you’re going to suspect him.

[Aubrey]

As it is we'll need Aubrey and myloninja

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUNNNNN.

[Aubrey]

Red is due a prod....Should the unfortunate happen and he gets replaced, I propose moving forward with his lynch. My patience is growing tired.

[Aubrey]

Agreed.

[Aubrey]

Hmm Math, you still around?

[Aubrey]

Actually, it doesn't really matter.

[Aubrey]

I don't see how that is a possibility without causing a feint with the PR's. I was going to suggest moving the check tonight onto someone else should red flip scum, but it doesn't really matter. the pool of possibilities in my opinion will be greatly limited regardless of who is checked.

[Aubrey]

If this flips town, can the jailkeeper keep me so I'm confirmed?

Although, at this point there's not that much chance of that...

No.

[Aubrey]

Jailkeeper cannot act as a scum checker without one of the scum being dead.

[Aubrey]

Montosh you still here?

[Aubrey]

Never-mind actually.

If red flips vanilla or scum, Wilky is now lock town for myself. Scumteam will then either be Red and Montosh, Montosh and Myloninja13, or Myloninja13 and Red.

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Props to Math or A50 if I've misjudged them for town, but they are decently locked town for myself.

[Aubrey]

Wilky is now lock town for myself.

Will be* lock town.

[Aubrey]

Process of elimination my friend.

[Aubrey]

Nope.

[Aubrey]

Alright lol

If you are town, then heed my words.

[Aubrey]

Alright lol

If you are town, then heed my words.

I heed what I believe. Let's see what the flip brings I guess.

Then you are not asking yourself the right questions. But it is all up to Red's flip anyway I suppose.

[Aubrey]

Ok, what are the right questions?

Whose the jailor?

[Aubrey]

Huh, i seriously thought Wilky was the Jailor. Funny. Glad i ws correct in suspecting Montosh to likelybe a townie though my faith did waver round the end.