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@Mod - what's your prod policy for people on V/LA? Is there no deadline for the Day length?-
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I subbed into JK9++. The one where you were Town Tracker.In post 21, Almost50 wrote:Are you an alt of "somebody I know"? I mean, I know we have met before, but I didn't really catch up on your greetings before!
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Chickadee is another MS player, I'm guessing?
Then nope. Not an alt.-
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Thirding the idea of a back up Mod.
Could we contact the list Mod and get a back up Mod via Llama?-
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@Klick
Fair point.
@Athena
I need some clarification.
"I voted you because the humor in 5 felt forced, though sayingitwas serious was more for reactions than anything else."
What are you referring to when you say "it"? Korina's 5 or 31? I think you're referring to 31 because that's when he mentions that he's "serious".-
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Cool. Game's started.In post 46, CultOfAthena wrote:If you recognize that Klick has a fair point, why not place a vote or give a read?
The only tentative read I have is Korina and I don't think their actions have scum motive. Calling attention to yourself with a joke claim, goading people to build your wagon, and then promising to hard claim - which is pointless; no PRs in the set up - when he's at L-1 (he had two votes on him before the game began) doesn't seem like all of those actions are coming from scum.
Scum want to blend in; not create an event that puts them in the spotlight.-
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Replace out if this is how you're going to be.In post 62, Korina wrote: Fuck all of you, I'm just gonna prodge the rest of the game.-
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Can you explain these gut reads?In post 82, havingfitz wrote:Korina = town imo.
COA is sus.
QM is sus.
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@Mod - You missed Korina's self vote in 62.-
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@Korina
If the vote count is anything to go by, this is a true Geriatric Game.
That means no Day Phase deadlines.-
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@Mod - Prod Shadpearl? It's been more than 48 hours dmsonce they last posted.-
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@havingfitz- is this why QM is sus to you?In post 102, Russian Roulette wrote:Quick Maker: HOW DO YOU HAVE A WEAK SCUMREAD ON SOMEONE LITERALLY VOTING THEMSELVES, YET NOT ALSO VOTE THEM?-
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I don't think you read the rule set. Your post limit resets to 10 posts every 24 hours during the Day Phase.
I'll hazard a guess. Is the reason you don't like Flubber because he said that you'd be hard to read for weak reasons? IE post reserve limit-
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VOTE: Shadpearl
@Shadpearl- We're past RVS votes by this point.
You don't have any thoughts on Korina? Russian is town oriented from, presumably, the hydra's interaction w/ Korina. Correct me if I'm wrong.
In my experience, if I form a read from an interaction between two players, I usually create a read on both players. So, what's up with the lack of a read on Korina?speaking of which, I need to go back and take a look at Roulette again
@Almost50
121 - Feels like IIoA and it's difficult for me to understand. I don't know if this was supposed to be an example demonstrating your method or your actual scum reads. Walk me through it?
This isn't how you're going to organize your town reads, is it?
@RedRussian
Is that vote on Korina a scum vote or a pressure vote?
In post 126, CultOfAthena wrote:I don't think voting Korina is necessary to further things there.@Athena
I take it this means you have a tentative read on Korina?
Note to self - This is post #5 fyi of today-
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Repeating/paraphrasing stuff is how I comprehend difficult subjects. Bear with me.In post 130, Almost50 wrote:Korina asking for hydras to sign is a weak towntell, me thinks. Not gonna totally 'delete' the list with his name on top (and consequently edit out his name from all other lists) but I will strike his name on top of his own list like this:
Korina
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Shadpearl
Quick Maker
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So the top name - Korina -wasa scum read. Now he's a town read due to the sign request.
Okay.
And everybody else after that is currently town, but you're not town reading them just yet? You're just assuming they're town until you form a read on them and then slot them in their proper place?
I think I've got it?
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I am serious. I don't want to play with a player who'd knowingly prodge the entire rest of the game and become a liability.In post 133, Almost50 wrote:AG's asking Korina to replace out was not serious, was it? (serious question)
Since Korina hasn't prodge'd since making that post, I'm retracting my sentiment for his replacement.
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Nope. If Red says that it's for pressure and keeps has his vote on Korina, it has the potential to form a bandwagon and get Korina talking.In post 138, Almost50 wrote:Wouldn't him stating it's a pressure vote defy the purpose of it??
I think my lack of understanding came from my impression that you were scum hunting individuals... when you're actually group scum hunting.In post 138, Almost50 wrote:So, your name appears on every list that is above yours means you could be scum with them all. Then you could also be scum with either/both of fitz/Alch because they are listed under you. If I ever get to the point where I'm CERTAIN you can't be scum with -say- Korina, your name would disappear from his list, and if I ever get to the point where I'm CERTAIN you can't be scum with Alch then HIS name will disappear from your list. Go it?
Derp.
Okay.
So, I think I have a better understanding of how you're scum hunting:
First of all; you're group hunting.
Second; each player has a separate list which is denoted by the fact that their username is on top and bolded.
Third; any player who is crossed off or gone from another player's list is not scum with the list owner.
Fourth: any remaining players beneath a player's list are being considered to be scum partner's with the list's owner.
Fifth; it doesn't matter who's above or below one another in another player's list and whether or not they're scum with each other. All that matters is that everyone in the list could be scum partners with the list's owner.
Sixth; a player without a list is a town read.
Seventh; everyone who has a list isn't necessarily a scum read, but a PoE of who they could be a scum team with.
8# for today-
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@Mod - Prod Quick Maker? It's been over 2 days since they've posted.-
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You're lying and fishing for reactions.
I ISO'd Korina's MS games and he didn't self hammer in any of them during LyLo.-
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@Korina- Did you self-hammer in LyLo?
@RussianRoulette- I'd rather advocate a force replace if Korina's behavior indicates he's going to do something like that in this game.-
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In post 160, Korina wrote:I always self-hammer, like, seriously. Me saying I'll self-hammer is NAI, because I'll do it as any alignment, town or mafia. If I feel my lynch is inevitable that day, yea, I'll self-hammer. If it's MyLo or LyLo, I only self-hammer if I feel it's inevitable, otherwise I typically end up doing it when I read thread again.In post 79, Klick wrote:Regardless of your alignment in this game you've just described why your play here is terribly anti-town.Reevaluate your gameplay accordingly.-
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In post 159, Almost50 wrote:Generally speaking, this setup is suitable for 1-2 scums to be lurkers on D1 and/or be posting about nothing.@Almost50- Usually when late game arrives lurking scum get screwed over by their lack of early game interactions. What makes White Flag different?
@Korina- That's highly subjective.-
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@Shapearl - What's your read on Athena? Your reason to unvote is weak because Athena had already provided some in depth and thoughtful posts before your joke vote. I would normally assume you no longer scum read her, but your reason to vote for her in the first place throws that out the window.-
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@Almost50 - what's with the + behind someone's name?-
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@Mod - Prod Not_Mafia? It's been over 2 days since he last posted.-
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Quick maker is currently nullish town right now. I need to take a look at their posts again for motive.In post 192, Shadpearl wrote:what do you think of Quickmaker? Have you read hydras before? Do you have any tips? >~<
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I disagree. Shad's posts seem like newb scum.
- No effort to game solve; just hands out an easy town read to RR and CoA and then points the finger at the obvious players w/o engaging Alchemist and Not_Mafia in order to figure out their alignments.
- If Shad was paying attention to the discussion, then he should have formed some opinion about the events that's happened so far i.e. Korina, your push on Bell, Flub's push on Korina, etc. instead of the events that are focusing solely on him and then trying to side step them.
- Parrots other players, most strongly CoA's "I don't think he's contributed to the game at all in a way," with Shad's "Alchemist's posts just... don't have anything to them. Nothing good, but nothing really suspicious either."
- Hedging and handing other people the responsibility to game solve, so that he can shift his opinion in the future if need be: "I'll let you smarter people figure them out.", "haha I didn't really have anyone on my radar so one vote was as good as another.", "Aren't there better people to be focused on?", "Ya'll probably know better than I, haha."-
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@AthenaSaying that Alchemist's posts "just... don't have anything to them," is the same as saying "I don't think he's contributed to the game". It's saying the same thing, but wording it differently.
Where is Shad disagreeing with you?
Pedit:@Korina- Instead of wasting time with gambits and not progressing the game, take Flub's suggestion and create some reads based off this bullshit drama.-
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Is this the disagreement?
You are suspicious of Alchemist because he hasn't followed through with his questions/statements.
Shad's suspicious of Alchemist because Al's posts are NAI, but he wants to focus on someone else.-
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@Quickmaker
Your reasons for town reading me are bad. Stuff like asking questions or asking the mod to prod people is NAI.-
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@Alchemist
2 vote for now IIRC: CoA, and Not_Mafia-
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I've reached the point where I don't care. I just want Korina gone if he's not going to produce content with his so-called "gambits".-
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@Mod - Prod Bellaphant? It's been over 3 days since she last posted in the thread.-
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@Mod - Could a player be force replaced if the majority asked for their replacement?-
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- Sheeps an easy scum read without providing his own analysis on his vote target or the current state of the game. Check.In post 205, AnonymousGhost wrote:I disagree. Shad's posts seem like newb scum.
- No effort to game solve; just hands out an easy town read to RR and CoA and then points the finger at the obvious players w/o engaging Alchemist and Not_Mafia in order to figure out their alignments.
- If Shad was paying attention to the discussion, then he should have formed some opinion about the events that's happened so far i.e. Korina, your push on Bell, Flub's push on Korina, etc. instead of the events that are focusing solely on him and then trying to side step them.
- Parrots other players, most strongly CoA's "I don't think he's contributed to the game at all in a way," with Shad's "Alchemist's posts just... don't have anything to them. Nothing good, but nothing really suspicious either."
- Hedging and handing other people the responsibility to game solve, so that he can shift his opinion in the future if need be: "I'll let you smarter people figure them out.", "haha I didn't really have anyone on my radar so one vote was as good as another.", "Aren't there better people to be focused on?", "Ya'll probably know better than I, haha."-
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This is more than 4 days away. Nice appeal to fear though.In post 101, TheButtonmen wrote:Thus the deadline for Day 1 is March 28th 22:00 EST.
Lynch pool: Korina, Shadpearl, and Quick Maker-
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An appeal to fear doesn't plop someone in my lynch pool.-
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Too bad. My play style isn't going to change.
Game is slow as fuck, is boring, and I want to have fun. Can't have it when the game deader than a door nail.-
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@Mod - Replacing out. Sorry for the inconvenience.-
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Sorry for being a bitch. I need to fix my attitude. Cancel that replace out.
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Tired of his bullshit.
>whines about nothing getting done
>does something "drastic" w/o any game solving content
>rinse and repeat
@Quick Maker- I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think your town read on me is crap. Do you have any thoughts on my case against Shadpearl? Have any of your reads changed based from when you last posted them?-
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Spoiler: my impression of the current game state
@Quick Maker- I like how you entertain the possibilities/scenarios of all your reads so far since it initially feels town.
I question your scum read on Not_Mafia. It sounds more like a policy lynch born out of Not_Mafia being inscrutable to the both of you.
@Athena & @Bell- Haven't seen either of you two around. When you two return, could you give us a reads list based on the new content? Thanks.
@RussianRoulette - Specifically MathDino- Can you explain why Klick's replace out is potentially scum indicative? I'm assuming that it has something to do with Korina's behavior since that was the big thing that happened before the replace out.-
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@Almost50 or @RussianMath- Why is Alchemist scummy?-
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Asking people why they scum read me isn't fun or engaging. Pass. Nice deflection though.
I'll ask again. What has Alchemist done to make him a scum read to you?
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So you're basically scum reading me because of a difference in play style because I'm not "obvious town" enough.
That's a weak reason to scum read someone and you know it. Do better.
The Alchemist argument is crap too. You're basically compromising on someone you don't have a read on, while giving up on your scum read.-
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@Mod - There's an error in the vote count. Korina's not voting for Quick Maker.-
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EWBOP:
Never answered this. My bad.
Short answer: No motivation. Game's atmosphere of apathy is probably having an affect on me. Plus, another factor which I can't saydiscussion of ongoing games-
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Game's conditioned as 3 scum versus 10 town.-
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Look again.
310 was me face palming at Korina for assuming that this game has 4 scum. Opening post says otherwise and he'd know that if he was paying attention.
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Side note: weshouldn'thave to fix the problem you created. Multiple people complained and ask you to shape up and every time you created a post you had to opportunity to improve. Did you take it? No.
People even gave you suggestions on how to improve - Flub and Russian IIRC -, but you either ignored them or didn't see their suggestions.-
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We aren't responsible for how you play the game. You're the one in the driver's seat.
If you know you're the D1 lynch out of policy, then that should be a sign that you should reevaluate your play style.-
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VOTE: Shadpearl - 3 out of the 4 people in your lynchpool in 261 are based off of a difference in play style. Two out of those three, you've never interacted with them in order to get a better read on them.-
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Nobody is confirmed town unless the mod says so. I'm not banking my read on outside forces. What actions has Shad down so far that are pro-town?In post 349, Almost50 wrote:This is actually a good point on face value, but I think we have established Shad to be confirmed Town for "unspecified reasons". Come to Vij instead.
Why should I join Vij's wagon? And no, the foundation of Scum!Klick replaced out because of a suicidal teammate is bad since the basis of that arguement is false.-
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Nothing so far. He's null to me. When he engaged with you on D1, he brought up valid points, but he didn't do anything with them.
Pedit: Never said you were. I was assuming that your wagon on Vij was influenced by Dino.-
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