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fuck that's going to be annoying
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what the fuckIn post 728, Sando wrote:
I mean if I'm scum I'm either Mafia or Wolf. If my play makes no sense as wolf I'm probably Mafia, and vice versa. If my play makes no sense as either I'm probably neither. Ignoring part of my play so you can slot me into a scumslot is poor play, no matter how you choose to cut it.In post 721, Fumuki wrote:I still think you're a wolf but that sarcasm is good
Your play makes zero sense as wolf, but it still makes sense as Mafia. From the way this has gone down I'm fairly strongly leaning town, but that's gut rather than logic and well...read post-game 720 if you want insight into that about me.-
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odds say this is vIn post 743, ManWithNoName wrote:Also, if you would like to know how to tell that I am obv town, despite my lack of focus, I have been actually interested in the game, and that's Town Indicative for me. Which is why I'm surprised the worst implied he'd be willing to lynch me despite knowing that it's me and I'm like Creature level easy to read.-
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literally do not careIn post 1007, Fumuki wrote:WHAT
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FRICKING
DOING?
Do you think that a skitter wagon will roll without you making a case with only four days left?
Skitter isn't looking like a town-good-girl but a skitter lynch happening today?
I don't think so.
DON'T WASTE YOUR VOTE, IT'S EITHER TW, ESPEONAGE OR CEEJAY IF NO ONE IS CASING A DIFFERENT PERSON
THANKS
last time people said this to me i ended the day with my vote on scum while the rest of them lynched a town PR-
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lolIn post 1008, Sando wrote:
Oh I see, someone else who is anti-logic, this is gonna beIn post 1003, Ruby Red wrote:what the fucksucha fun game
i'm not "anti-logic" dude. being logical doesn't magically make you not a wolf though. this:
is awkward wolfposting. it has nothing to do with whether you're right or wrong.I mean if I'm scum I'm either Mafia or Wolf. If my play makes no sense as wolf I'm probably Mafia, and vice versa. If my play makes no sense as either I'm probably neither. Ignoring part of my play so you can slot me into a scumslot is poor play, no matter how you choose to cut it.-
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SUP
two things:
1) get me up to speed on the main wagons?
2) should i hammer espeonage right now?-
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i wasn't saying anything to you about werewolves specifically dude, nor about the correctness of what you were saying, but i guess i'll go back and read more of it.In post 1019, Sando wrote:
Never actually said I wasn't wolf specifically...said that person should consider wolf-motive and mafia-motive and whether it makes sense for me to be wolf...In post 1013, Ruby Red wrote:i'm not "anti-logic" dude. being logical doesn't magically make you not a wolf though. this:
I mean if I'm scum I'm either Mafia or Wolf. If my play makes no sense as wolf I'm probably Mafia, and vice versa. If my play makes no sense as either I'm probably neither. Ignoring part of my play so you can slot me into a scumslot is poor play, no matter how you choose to cut it.
is awkward wolfposting. it has nothing to do with whether you're right or wrong.
Read the context and it might make sense, but Fumu had said "zomg Sando has gotta be Mafia, he's scummy and this makes no sense as wolf!" and also said "zomg Sando has gotta be Wolf, he's scummy and this only makes sense as Wolf!"...see how I might put those together and say "uhhh, might wanna check your theory there"?
what do you mean by the "unconcerned with being nk'd" thing, and why do you take it as a scumtell?In post 1021, the worst wrote:
OK I'm a leading wagon because my motivation to obvtown in multiball with no flips is ~zeroIn post 1014, Ruby Red wrote:SUP
two things:
1) get me up to speed on the main wagons?
2) should i hammer espeonage right now?
Espe is constantly shitting on people for trying to speculate on scum strategies in this setup, he's previously won this as mafia by pulling a "fuck meta" on the setup and bussing his buddy (A50) then riding to a win. so he's kinda somewhere between openwolfing and too scum to be scum. considering we're looking at a 40% scum setup I'm happy flipping this.
UglyDuck SHOULD be wagoned because he's throwing around weird shady reads with no care about appearances. Love this normally but when I raised that he needs to explain his reads before EOD he seemed absolutely unconcerned with being nk'd in the event his reads are t/t or t/s (i.e. not wolves)
other than that...... we have deepwolfing guaranteed.
nopeIn post 1022, the worst wrote:Ruby have you read many/any ceejayvinoya games?-
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lolIn post 1026, Not_Mafia wrote:Get that MU shit out of here
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posts like thisIn post 1033, skitter30 wrote:hiya ruby. Why do you think I'm scum?
not seeing any of the in-depth thoughts from splatoon mafia (granted, can't say i actually read all of them, but the ones i did were definitely were in-depth)-
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thought you meant something entirely different with the "unconcerned about being nked" thing, which would actually be a towntell imo in multiballIn post 1034, the worst wrote:Ruby, it definitely pings me that he's throwing about seemingly confident reads and intentionally holding back information. The fact he seems utterly unconcerned with flipping if he's on the wrong track immediately makes me think wolfy. Probably over thinking the wrong things here but....
shrug
CJV is slowly developing a town style but he sounds p scummy as either alignment generally speaking. he hasn't towntold at all this game. so it's a compromise wagon.
pedit: o mai
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In post 1085, the worst wrote:actually could join you on skitter here
occam's razor says this kind of game-wide trend is probs scumIn post 1086, the worst wrote:just not a lynch I want to fuck up you know? hard to tell how much of her disengagement has been scum motivated vs. lower activity than usual. comparing to MKUltra she can defs obvtown in multiball
yoIn post 1087, Sando wrote:
CJ feels like 720 tbh.In post 1062, pinturicchio wrote:But yeah I'm retracting, I still like more a CJ lynch, but Fumuki is definetely a good slot to consider as scum in this game. And specifically Mafia since he slipped he's not Wolf.
VOTE: ceejayvinibobini
why are you voting the ducky
and why aren't you voting skitter-
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i can just tell you right now that skitter's not bad town normallyIn post 1089, Sando wrote:Cause there's like 5 of them, and they're multiplying!
But more seriously, because this doesn't feel like his town game.
Skitter is bad-town imo, but that was off interactions with me, she's gone quiet recently I can see why you feel the way you do. I don't think it's a good D1 lynch though still.
people said kokichi was "bad town" in 2005
explainIn post 1094, pinturicchio wrote:Guys I know that creating a speed wagon is fun as hell, but skitter is town and she's one of the lead singers of the band
VOTE: CEEJAYIn post 1099, ceejayvinoya wrote:
Not gonna be around most of today and tomorrow. Got some exams to go through.In post 1084, Ruby Red wrote:@CJV, lmk if you're around-
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i wouldn't presume to know so much
i'm telling you that you're reading someone as bad town who is just not normally bad town.In post 1111, Sando wrote:
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, because some other people thought someone was bad town and they were scum that means this read is probably wrong?In post 1105, Ruby Red wrote:i can just tell you right now that skitter's not bad town normally
people said kokichi was "bad town" in 2005
I just lost a game due to a bad town that I was calling bad town from early D1... the read can certainly be valid.
the kokichi thing was something i noticed, not areasonfor my argument.
you are saying your read on someone is "oh that person's probably not scum, just bad town", and i'm telling you that in that person's towngames normally,they are not bad town. that should tell you something.-
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lmaoIn post 1119, Sando wrote:
Sure, it does. I'm also telling you that my bad-town reads are fairly accurate, that should tell you something.In post 1115, Ruby Red wrote:you are saying your read on someone is "oh that person's probably not scum, just bad town", and i'm telling you that in that person's towngames normally, they are not bad town. that should tell you something.-
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i can emphasize if you're actually town here and it would make some senseIn post 1125, skitter30 wrote:=> @rubyred: my feelings towards this game are roughly equivalent to how I felt about splatoon when you repped in, although that's more cuz of irl busyness and not particularly game-related like it was there. I feel like I was as invested as I usually am pre-v/la but post-v/la I've been really busy and haven't really had time for this.
i think i mentioned in the splatoon game that people being busy irl fucks up my reads hardcore
but i still think just from an objective standpoint you haven't been town!skitter this game and imo that makes you the best wagon rn, or at the very least better than the other compromise wagons-
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not beyond the playerlist, noIn post 1144, the worst wrote:Ruby when you're next here--did you read this game before repping in and did you townread TYR?-
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just in general i think that most people without a semi-decent amount of scum experience who insist that they're obviously town are usually townIn post 1145, skitter30 wrote:And why are you trusting ruby's read over anyone else's?
I don't think it's fairly obvious that you're town at all. You're saying you think I should be reading you as bored and disengaged?-
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greater than random and more than anyone else atmIn post 1158, Fumuki wrote:Hey Ruby...
How much % of confidence you've in Skitter30 flipping either red or blue here?
putting some arbitrary number to it seems largely meaningless
i try not to forget dead townies readsIn post 1159, skitter30 wrote:I mean, I can't really do much about being irl and I don't understand why people are saying I'm being different here.
1125 is me making sure everyone knows exactly where I stand if I'm getting mislynched cuz my reads don't suck *that* bad that I think that people should ignore them altogether once I'm gone.
@ruby: can you consider what I wrote there and re-consider the duck after I flip?
I think I'm just going to continue loudly pointing out that this is a bad compromise wagon and that the duck is scum.
I don't like being coerced to join wagons that I don't' believe in tbh. I really don't think I'd do it even for self-preservation.
if you do flip town i'll take a closer look at your read obviously from the perspective of you being conftown
if you flip scum i'm probably taking this as intentional associative awareness before your flip, so-
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still haven't explained why skitter is town to youIn post 1175, pinturicchio wrote:In post 1125, skitter30 wrote:Saying that me being different could either be scum-motivated or lower-activity-based (it's the latter, thank you for asking - last three weeks of the term + graduation = very very busy)
Skitter honey I think you're no different from our last games and that's why I'm townreading you, but if you yourself believe you're being different, what is that you don't understand? Help me push CJIn post 1159, skitter30 wrote:I mean, I can't really do much about being irl and I don't understand why people are saying I'm being different here.
To everyone else: let's play some Nash Equilibrium! lynch town!CJ vs lynch town!skitter vs lynch scum!CJ vs lynch scum!skitter.
Let's say for now that you're all wrong and skitter is town... I think lynching town!skitter is really a bad situation for town.
Let's say I'm wrong and CJ is town... has he contributed something to the game?
Let's say you're right and skitter is scum: best case scenario, you're on the right track and this is a great lynch!
Let's say I'm right and CJ is scum... what are we going to do with his slot? Let him live until lylo or something? Let the wolves deal with him?
thinking about worst case scenarios is interesting but not particularly relevant given reads. if i had to pick who to lynch without reading the thread at all i could agree with your reasoning. that isn't the case.
scumskitter is basically a god of scumplay. No, scumskitter is not actually a god of scumplay, but she's BASICALLY a god of scumplay. She is one of, if not THE, most elite scum players on the entire fucking site. And it shows. When she is scum. Things go according to her plan. There are, of course, exceptions to this--but those exceptions prove the general rule.In post 1181, skitter30 wrote:
My good dude your understanding of my scumgame is like ... non-existant lol. There's no universe where scum!me gets tunneled like this. Like tunneling is a thing that scum!me is literally incapable of faking.In post 1179, the worst wrote:that's like "angry at myself for misreading the situation and lynching them"
skitter is so tunnelled here I actually can't see any green shining through. :/
K, I'm going to like do hw now.
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oh what are we actually trying thisIn post 1407, the worst wrote:
no actually a lot of value in keeping AP alive for nowIn post 1405, UglyDuck wrote:If we lynch AP and AP is Town, we either find Skum TW (assumed WW, as only one Mafia left) or we find Town TW who is trying to make an asinine Day 2 early read on someone with like next to no information... right? please comfort me and tell me you find that idea ridiculous, TW...
my flip = conf!ww!AP
my non flip = more shiny results
like this is quality
because i'm pretty sure wolves just kill you anyways and then we lynch ap tomorrow anyways
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i can see the "there's a chance that tw doesn't die and then we get more seer results" thing but i would rthare just fucking lynch scum every day
sooner we end wolves sooner the game goes nightless
with one wolf already guiltied results are mostly useless anyways, if wolves think there's a chance you target them then they probably just kill you anyways-
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In post 1533, Sando wrote:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for last night, but if you're considering me as WW still then your powers of deduction need serious work.In post 1530, skitter30 wrote:Fumuki, ruby red, sando: tw would probably have been dreaded last night
Honestly I tend to see ruby's point by now.
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yeah and it wasn't fucking going to happen. nobody with two brain cells thought nm was the actual seer. thinking it would is an insult to the newbies in this game.In post 1546, Pine wrote:
I want to lynch Ruby Red for calling this out. I was going to out this obvious gambit tomorrow, but NM was clearly trying to bait the kill away from TW. That's why he's Town, and why I was trying to support the gambit.In post 1543, Ruby Red wrote:nm is baiting the nk
It wouldn't work against any of the more pro players, but...no offense to anyone, but there's some newbies and lowbies in this game.
Calling this out makes me think Ruby is trying to point it out to scumbuddies or something.
Do scum have daychat?
why the fuck would i need to point it otu to scumbuddies right now,during the day
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In post 1546, Pine wrote:Do scum have daychat?
ironicIn post 1547, Pine wrote:Also Fuggo's "townslip" is definitely fabricated.-
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honestly don't have a good town poeIn post 1557, the worst wrote:Ruby who are the rest of the scum here?
unfortunate that you had to also be PR, though it got us 1 wolf so not all bad
IMO skitter still scum, MWNN was town enough for pine to get a pass for a while
sando feels kinda town looking back at some of his responses to me earlier but he also looks like a skitter partner (lolmultiball1!!)
tbh i thought fuggo looked like just lynchbait town this game
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wth is thisIn post 1558, Pine wrote:Asking about something that's public information is never a slip in any context - it's laziness. *Asserting* scum have daychat when they publicly don't could be construed as a slip or an attempt to fabricate one, but just asking is merely lazy.
you don't see how appearing to not know if scum has daychat or not could be a slip-
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imo today its lynch confscum or if we're doing the weird plan i want it to be skitter.In post 1564, Sando wrote:
Is NM an option for you today or nah?In post 1554, Ruby Red wrote:tbh i just want to hammer ap right now but i know the ducky wants to do some weird plan that i don't think actually works
@ducky am i hammering or nah
I'm pretty happy to hit skitter today after the last few pages too if that helps. I'm pretty convinced UD is a bad lynch today for town, reasonably likely to be Mafia but only a 1%er on WW, and town giving up any shot of getting WW today is bad for us.-
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