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Oh and math..
I've never seen his scum game yet but this is his town attitude. And I may still be relatively new to the site but I think I've played with math more than any other player. He was town every time. And each game was a different format/setup.
And I don't think anyone is that good at imitating their towngame regardless of what their egos might say.
Plus.. saying that to people / about people seems to get them talking about their scum game which is always welcome.-
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Actually my vote on wavemode was purely because he claimed scum in RVS.
I enjoy a lighthearted approach to the game and players having a sense of humor; I just draw the line at scum claims. No matter how popular a few players on MS make them seem.
Found it a little surprising that mutant TR'd cat based on one post when the rest of us were put under the umbrella of too quiet to judge yet.-
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Then forgive me for incorrectly filling in the blanks. But I don't see how you could have any opinion about that post one way or another and so I found it strange you could single her out.In post 186, mutantdevle wrote:
I don't town read cat. I just said I like their 1 post.In post 180, BuJaber wrote:Found it a little surprising that mutant TR'd cat based on one post when the rest of us were put under the umbrella of too quiet to judge yet.-
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Point I'm trying to make is that this low activity is making uglyduck and Sajj find things that IMO are just not there.
Btw TW is the original duck and you're all fake but also I feel like I'm out of the loop.. what caused the sudden increase of duck avatars?
And back to the game Seal as far as I'm concerned Dino's doomsaying is extra motivation for me. Like I've never been in a 2v11 mountainous.. Mafia scum record is about to be broken
Btw why do they call it mountainous? I asked before in a different game and nobody answered. I don't see the relationship between mountains and vanilla.
I'm trying to come up with a way we can use the neighborhoods to send messages like a broken telephone sort of game and have that expose scum or confirm town somehow. Anybody got any ideas?-
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You've touched on this with mutant and it might be a perspective thing. But basically I think Seal's RVS posts that you talk about are neutral and quite normal for RVS. In your opinion you might be seeing something scummy like you told mutant but I don't and it felt to me that the quietness in thread is motivating you and others to look for things for the sake of looking.In post 220, Scioness Sajj wrote:
what have i said that you felt you need to dismiss it?In post 213, BuJaber wrote:Point I'm trying to make is that this low activity is making uglyduck and Sajj find things that IMO are just not there.
Now if I didn't have a townread on you I'd be interpretting this differently but as you can see I'm quite open to the possibility that you did in fact find it scummy and have good reason to. So 3 options:
1. You are scum.
2. You are town and this is just how you tend to read people(you could be right or wrong)
3. You are bored town and trying to move the game by voting people for insignificant things
I thought it was 3 hence the comment. By the way 217 is incredibly hypocritical coming from you. Guess it's a good thing hypocrisy tends to be a towntell, unlike inconsistency which tends to be scummy.
Wave: if I misssd it I'm sorry but reiterating it is helpful anyway. Any reason why you feel so strongly about an Uglyduck wagon?
I'd really like to see reactions of people who TR/townleaned cat after the gem that is 224
For the record I think nsg has one of those metas where it's almost always better to not lynch them early.-
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A) I townread your posting. I don't think you've done anything particularly valuable to town (nor would I expect this so early but just saying this to say that there isn't some particular thing you've done that is definitely townie) I just don't think your posts come from scum. Not with that attitude and frequency of posting.
B) Small point: I don't equate the boredom with finding something scummy. Sure I don't know you but it'd be rather insulting if I thought that your most effective scumhunting is a product of a random ping on something you found while bored. I like to give people more credit than that. So the options in my mind were legitime scumhunting and genuinenly considering Seal's posts are scumtells OR bored and read too much into something that isn't there.
C) it's hypocritical of you, the person who has probably called out the most number of people to elaborate more, to answer mutant's question with just a 'no'. You don't think mutant, who asked that question, (and any other person for that matter), would be interested in your additional reasons for suspecting him? Why is it fine for you to answer with one word but everyone else has to explain their votes/reads and justify them? That's a rhetorical question. Everyone should elaborate. The hypocrisy comes from you recognizing the importance of elaboration but not elaborating yourself.-
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Oh sorry D) NSG insists she puts a lot more effort into the game as town than she does as scum and there are past games that support this claim. I have experienced some games of both alignment. Although I admit our last game together her boost in motivation came a little too late. I don't want to speak about that horrid game though point is regardless of what alignment she is and whether or not we lynch her it's best to wait and see if she exposes her alignment through her posting. Inactivity can be a scumtell for her but inactivity is also difficult to read for any player so it's best to wait until we have some posts of hers to analyze.
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What is a jelly?In post 239, Scioness Sajj wrote:BuJaber are you a jelly
2 day phases max. Less if they're long days.In post 240, Scioness Sajj wrote: inactivity doesn't really work for NSG ime, yeah.
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Arc none of your points match up to my version of reality.
-post 183 is not a scum claim
-I don't think it's accurate that I 'hardly said anything'
-My question about neighborhoods had nothing to do with the previous discussion involving Dino & co. They spoke about whether or not it is helpful to say things in hoods but not in thread. I asked about a specific way of using the hoods. I understood them just fine I was opening a new discussion about a similar but different thing.
-I didn't need justification to vote. I wanted to hear wave's justification forhisvote. I didn't vote for duck earlier because 1. I'm happy voting either of you or duck and 2. I was scumreading wave until his justification of the duck vote.
And btw I think there isonlyone scum between you and duck so if you're town he isn't and vice versa. This is not because of any connection between you (though now you told us he's your neighbor maybe we'll see something) but it's a statistical bet based on things I've noticed from scum opening posts. I believe that statistically if you have 25% or more of the players starting the game with some sort of apology for lateness or their inactivity then 1 of them is scum and just piggybacking on the others' excuses.-
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(Duck + cat + arc + nsg = 4 / 13 ) I already discussed nsg and I should have probably clarified that I consider cat one of you 3 that I'm willing to vote for if that wasn't clear. That's where the 25% comes from.
The original ping was me not liking your first post or duck's post in the same page complaining about the number of pages.-
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You said earlier your early reads of her are always right. So which is it? Insight into how to read her would be valuable because I'm disliking some of her posts but townreading her tone. Then we've got NSG scumreading her and you townreading her so that's just a lot of uncertainty on someone who should be sortable by now given the number of posts.In post 261, Mathdino wrote:Was hard townreading her until you weren't
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Who do you think is scum?In post 304, Awoo wrote:To whom it may concern,
I think town is NSG seal mutant wingedcatgirl and math,
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Did you ask him or did he volunteer the information?In post 325, Scioness Sajj wrote:
lmao Stefan lied to me, apparentlyIn post 322, Myloninja13 wrote:One of my neighbours was replaced-
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For the record you can ignore everything I said about Dino previously. If someone told me his account was hacked and it's an imposter playing I'd believe it right now.
I've dropped him down to null who is scum by default once my scum pool dries out. I will expose my scumpool once Sajj answers the question.-
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Because if you're lying about you not asking him then you're scum. But basically with your information this makes Stefan my biggest suspect.
Why would town give you info on his neighbors without mentioning it in thread? He didn't give me (his other neighbor) the same information about you. Why is he trusting you in particular as a townie?
More than that in our last game together he was a town neighbor with scum and he was very open in public about what happens in the PT. He also barely talked beyond in my PT beyond greetings and asking me if I'm town and just a few friendly comments regarding our last game together (we are both hoping to play a game together where we're both town as that hasn't happened yet and we like each other)
So good reason to suspect Stefan.
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Lol nah wave is town and he quite clearly stated his views in the PTsIn post 402, Scioness Sajj wrote:the timing makes it impossible to judge really.
all of it happened on the first day and so Stefan flaked after the first day.
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About the PTs not in the PTsIn post 404, BuJaber wrote:stated his views in the PTs
Fine with Arc for lynch but I'm more comfortable joining wave's wagon on duck than I am joining the counterwagon.-
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Math am I finally seeing your scum game?
So sajj and I are the scumteam and instead of coming up with good theatrics to distance each other with a fight that looks like TvT, we instead come up with one where I ask technical questions about stefan's posts to my partner in the game thread first without scum PT so I can build an elaborate case on someone with 0 votes on them and then have my own partner shut that case down immediately?
Mutsnt has either ran out of any motivation to actually play the game or he is scum trying to be 'too scummy to be scum'.
How is doing nothing a town tell? You honestly think there is no scum among the lurkers? There are players with less than 10 posts in 18 pages.
I haven't voted for arc because I wanted to see his reaction to people talking about his post. But his absence is looking suspicious on it's own.-
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@math I actually think I know how to read you somewhat (with a lot of uncertainty and paranoia for sure) I just like to see reactions of people when I talk about you. It's especially important for NK analysis because of who you are. You are just someone we should expect to die at night and if not we really should question why. As in I would be comfortable with you as a backboard in lylo but I would never want you to actually be alive at lylo because I wouldn't be able to believe that scum left you alive that long.
And yeah obviously my play has dropped significantly and I don't play as much as I used to at the beginning of the year so it's fair to accept your meta has evolved without me witnessing it. I do keep that in mind.
Biggest thing that pings me about you is how weird you got about people townreading you and scumreading wave in the early game. It felt way too exaggerated and defensive. The arguments you had together were not even that polarizing in terms of alignment because it was theory stuff on PTs. People were calling wave scummy because they disliked his attitude and his implication that we will get nothing out of PTs this game. Scumreading him for that would not imply a townread on you. The fact that most people who commented on that stated they townread you and scumread wave was a coincidence.
Apart from that I am used to you being more involved but this game does not help keep discussions going so it's hard to judge. Also I don't like how some seem to be basing some reads on opinions you've stated without much reasoning. I can only conclude that people of both alignments are sheeping you and I just wish your reads had more content with them so that the sheepers are forced to actually show their agreement to the more specific arguments and show their true opinions.-
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I still wanted your answer on the record, Duck. As you can see arc isn't afraid to vote her counterwagon. You voting for mutant at this time seemed odd. I wanted to throw out a weird question to see how you'd respond.
And it's funny you say that town shouldn't worry about looking scummy when you answer in such way. You seem the one worried.
I don't want the day to end yet. Pretty much anyone else that isn't you quickhammering would be scum claiming. The only unpredictable vote was yours as a townie in your situation might hammer (shouldn't but some players do), and obviously as scum you would hammer but you would either not respond to the question or lie or the more likely option: once I ask you this question you can't hammer anymore as scum because I put you in the spotlight.-
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You should vote for them if YOU want toIn post 444, Myloninja13 wrote:I could vote for them if you wanted me to?-
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@Duck- Yeah I think the L-1 vote from you would look even worse than a hammer. But whatever I won't argue with what you say you would do or won't do.
As for your question:
This answered my question. But you felt the need to follow up with:In post 439, UglyDuck wrote:
Currently, no chance.In post 438, BuJaber wrote:Duck if I vote arc are you gonna hammer her?
Asking about worry feels like projecting your own on to me. And the post has you soft-accusing me ofvbeing scum which is a defensive response if feelng attacked yourself.In post 440, UglyDuck wrote:I also find that like kind of an odd question to need asking since the only people that could hammer would be :
Me - saying no
AA - obv not
WAVE - skum reads me and town reads AA
Invis - Skum reads me, no opinion I can find on AA
What is your worry? If I am skum I would obviously have some agenda regarding my answer. Given the game state the town thing here would of been to just put them at L-1. All you have accomplished is making it seem like you are willing to. And, as I am sure you are aware, as I am the counter wagon it would appear skummy for you rn to actually vote for AA and put them L-1.
VT game - town shouldn't care about appearing skummy.
I don't see why it would be scummy if I put her at L-1.
The last line says nothing new. It is known to everyone and since you were talking about how scummy I would look you are implying that I am not acting as town because town shouldn't care. That meaning was implied so the last sentence is just you trying to put extra emphasis on your point which reads like someone who knows their argument is weak.
Also my question was neutral. I would ask a townread that if I felt I needed to just like I would ask a scumread. My previous posts tell you I am thinking about switching to Arc and earlier in the game I predicted only 1 scum between you. Not sure what made you think I was implying you're scum by asking.-
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If me answering the question "where are you reading worry here?" Is not answering the question then I don't know what the question was.
I think the main point of disagreement is that you don't think I would ask anyone if they would hammer and that I asked you specifically because I think you're scum. But I am clarifying to you that the fact that I am on your wagon is a coincidence. I asked you because you are on neither wagon but you made a choice to vote for mutant unlike the 3 people who hadn't placed a vote. I asked you because I've seen townies hammer in your position, so I wouldn't be able to build a case on you day 2 based solely on the hammer. I was less worried about anyone else hammering because they would look super scummy doing it. Main issue is Arc had a completely nonsensical post about me and I responded to it and I would like to hear what they have to say before lynching them. Thus I didn't want to place her on L-1 without guaging your reaction first.
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"Self meta is a towntell" lolwut nsg.
I wouldn't call it a scumtell but it definitely isn't a towntell.
I can see duck flipping town but I don't get why he thinks AA9 is town. And I don't understand what he hopes to accomplish with a mutant vote while defending himself instead of selling us mutant. The vote is an empty gesture.
Sure AA9 doesn't seem to care about getting lynched which tends to be a scum thing but also she just reads like a newer/weaker/less confident player than Duck.
Duck are you trying to piss me off to get a read or something? I answered the question in the post you quoted. Each paragraph refers to a sentence or idea you had that each show some worry. One or two alone may be natural but all together they read worried to me. Especially the fact that you had to post in the first place when you actually answered my question with "currently, no chance"-
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@Math:
Math and NSG are neighbors
Nsg -- math -- wave -- Sajj
Nsg -- math -- wave -- Sajj -- StefanIn post 90, StefanB wrote:
Just out of the top of my head, PS: I don't envy Sajj being between us.In post 86, wavemode wrote:I'm surprised that "Town is better off having discussions in the open thread" is such a controversial opinion. I thought this was common sense? I've asked repeatedly what sort of discussions people want to have in private and nobody can give me an example of one?
Mylon -- AA9 -- uglyDuckIn post 243, ArcAngel9 wrote:10 pages already. Oh lord, I am behind in this game too.
Okay, I so don't believe this neighbor hood PT's help. those PT's going to stall anyway. I am neighbour with Mylonnija and Uglyduck. Nothing much happened except Mylon claimed that he is lurking.
NSG -- math -- wave -- Sajj -- Stefan
And this puts mylon next to nsg.In post 340, Myloninja13 wrote:I do think that NSG is a little suspicious, but they're my other neighbour so I'm not looking to kill them just yet lol.
I think you, Math and maybe Seal are town, but that's kinda it? And those reads are pretty much only from a basic gut read/just liking what they're saying.
So uglyDuck -- AA9 -- Mylon -- NSG -- Math -- wave -- Sajj -- Stefan -- Buj (I reveal this earlier check my ISO) -- (other neighbor known to me)
So only 3 are missing and they're all next to each other.
I had 14 slots in my notes hence I said 4 missing earlier but it's only 3.
Also I wouldn't have revealed this but it is public knowledge so any competent scum already knows this, so town should too for those that aren't paying attention.
And to whoever asked - I care because I like solving puzzles. I thought I'd need to deduce who people's neighbors were but it became really easy when people outright stated it. I can guess how the remaining 3 fit in the picture but I'm not relying on guesswork especially since it doesn't matter.
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Why not? To be honest her outburst feels fake to me.In post 555, wingedcatgirl wrote:We're not lynching AA9 today, imo
And I think mutant is town for correcting my guess of invis neighbors when he didn't need to. It was a trap guess to see if anyone would agree. I was too optimistic.-
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Regarding Sajj I don't think she's scum based on posts so far but she does generally ask questions more than provide her own content and she reminds me a little of TW in the giyga's curse where he snuck into the townbloc. However if I were scum and she were town she'd be someone I'd be inclined to make a fake case against specifically because of her vagueness and the way she asks questions.-
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In that case someone is lying about who their neighbors are. And considering we didn't massclaim they lied unprovoked.In post 561, Mathdino wrote:And no I'm not neighbors with her, I wanted to see who would sheep me if I claimed she scumtold in the PT
So if you're town and you know someone lied please accuse them. Otherwise we know for sure the scum team have 2 PTs as they are also neighbors.-
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Not clear on why? I told you what I'd be inclined to do how does that relate to nsg meta?In post 561, Mathdino wrote:This basically is telling me scum NSG is trying to get me to mislynch scioness for her-
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Oh so it's just based on what I said. The point was that I am not confident on my read with Sajj so I can build a case for either alignment and the same goes for nsg because he is pushing for Sajj.In post 570, Mathdino wrote:I don't see what's relevant then about what you'd do as scum when you're town...
Though I actually have been building a case on nsg in one of my PTs but it sort of depends on me townreading you 100%. I'm close but not there yet.-
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In post 248, BuJaber wrote: And btw I think there isonlyone scum between you and duck so if you're town he isn't and vice versa. This is not because of any connection between you (though now you told us he's your neighbor maybe we'll see something) but it's a statistical bet based on things I've noticed from scum opening posts. I believe that statistically if you have 25% or more of the players starting the game with some sort of apology for lateness or their inactivity then 1 of them is scum and just piggybacking on the others' excuses.
Unless something actionable comes up regarding the neighborhood lies I am lynching one of those 4 because these posts still stands. I have recently had great success picking up on early-game tells. I'm willing to vote for AA9 specifically but the recent votes on her make me uneasy. They came quickly and without explanation.In post 249, BuJaber wrote:(Duck + cat + arc + nsg = 4 / 13 ) I already discussed nsg and I should have probably clarified that I consider cat one of you 3 that I'm willing to vote for if that wasn't clear. That's where the 25% comes from.
The original ping was me not liking your first post or duck's post in the same page complaining about the number of pages.
Also the wagons did a good job. Duck and AA9 are posting more. It is now players like invis, mylon, and seal that seem to be lurking behind.
Why my vote is on Duck I've talked about with him extensively. He has spent his time defending himself without any effort to sell us on mutant. He also thinks AA9 is town but hasn't tried to appeal to her to switch votes when she was on his wagon. Her vote switch to Dino came out of nowhere. Mutant himself is an odd choice to me for a vote considering I townread them and he he barely got any heat or suspicion from anyone since the early game stuff.
We should discuss some other potential wagon just in case town don't agree on neither duck nor AA9. Has mylon doe anything this game? Is he participating behind the scenes in the PTs?
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BuJaber Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3840
- Joined: November 8, 2017
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BuJaber Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3840
- Joined: November 8, 2017
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BuJaber Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3840
- Joined: November 8, 2017