Open 733: Grey Flag (Complete)

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Ircher

RVS omgus just for ya

[ceejayvinoya]

Wow this must be a new achievement. Get hammered twice in one game.

VOTE: Saudade

[ceejayvinoya]

@Quick what if I told you NM can be sorted (generally) fairly easily late game and has generally good reads?

Agree with this actually.

I'm against PLing NM but I think Quick is town for trying.

[ceejayvinoya]

I'd love to, but it's anti-town

[ceejayvinoya]

Anyhow, what do you all think about NM being active? 51 in particular is interesting. I don't agree with his point, but I think it was serious, so that makes it strictly game-related. All of this was sparked by a push on NM.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
(not policy)

Why is NM scum for this tho

[ceejayvinoya]

Now I'm getting paranoid about you, Irch, because I'm already paranoid about TW.

Anyhow, what do you all think about NM being active? 51 in particular is interesting. I don't agree with his point, but I think it was serious, so that makes it strictly game-related. All of this was sparked by a push on NM.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
(not policy)

Why are you paranoid of The Worst and I?

That aside, I think Not_Mafia being active is more likely a sign that he is town than that he is scum. I am not in favor of lynching him at the moment.

I don't like the way TW's defending NM. He "defended" you in a similar tone, & #83 & #84 just don't mesh well tonally for me. :/

Anyhow, what do you all think about NM being active? 51 in particular is interesting. I don't agree with his point, but I think it was serious, so that makes it strictly game-related. All of this was sparked by a push on NM.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
(not policy)

Why is NM scum for this tho

It's different than what I've seen from town!NM so far.

This post is pinging me.

It's like he's trying to pin something on TW and NM, which really doesn't stick.

VOTE: Gosrir

I have trouble understanding this "TW defended another person, he must be scum!".

@Gosrir what exactly is the difference between town!NM and scum!NM?

[ceejayvinoya]

Please stop shtitposting Quick it's a negative influence on the game

omg

[ceejayvinoya]

imagine not being able to understand that being inconsistent is a trait associated with the scum and thus my vote when its literally written right in front of you

Inconsistencies AKA contradictions are not Scummy. I know this because I have been accused of making them a lot as Town. Look at the motive for the contradiction because a contradiction itself isn't Scummy.

I disagree and I also explained why in my previous posts, this is really going nowhere lets move on to greater bigger things

Why are you backing off all of a sudden

[ceejayvinoya]

He regularly actively refuses to play on games, in his mind he’s an unsung hero taking a noble stand against big bad Not_Mafia, that’s just how he is. Ridiculous =/= scum

Wanna bet?

[ceejayvinoya]

ofrhz feels town to me.

So is Ircher.

The rest is null to me but for a slight scumlean on Gosrir and maybe Saudade.

As for Quick idk which way his inconsistency swings, if it's town or nay. It's happened to me before lols. I'll just think it NAI and move along.

[ceejayvinoya]

Saudade right now is like "lol you can't make a case on me"

Like I'm feeling right now that he's just doing his best to coast through d1 as scum. His posts are just RVS and sheeping on the Quick wagon.

[ceejayvinoya]

If that's how you feel I'm afraid you are not reading me properly at all

See he's still doing it. Arghhh

[ceejayvinoya]

Omg it's sky

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Quick

[ceejayvinoya]

I think your case is reachy. Why don't you stick to PLing NM?

[ceejayvinoya]

Leaning scum on Ircher

Not a huge fan of cj’s vote on quick while simultaneously ignoring the wagon on gosrir, although I’m not sure if that last part is ai for cj

Dont really have any thoughts on Skygazer

Quick looks bad on a superficial level, but I think it’s coming from town based on some convoluted logic that goes something like “scum quick would probably not pick TW of all people as the counterwagon to gosrir”

Oh don't get me wrong. I

adore

the Gosrir wagon. I'll happily be there. It's just that Quick over here pings me.

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you're scumreading NM. I don't get why that meta you're pointing out suggests he's scum this game.

[ceejayvinoya]

^darn. If I could vote Quick again, I would. I mean, there he goes debating with ofrhz seriously about how sus is ofrhz, and then Quick

suddenly answers with something that is not entirely related at all and says nothing else

.

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you're scumreading NM. I don't get why that meta you're pointing out suggests he's scum this game.

I've been on the road pretty much the whole day (was supposed to get here about four hours earlier, but we got into a number of traffic jams.) I'll elaborate on or rephrase the case tomorrow, but to get this down until then: so you do see the difference between the two games I've linked, & see how it lines up with the lynchpin game we played?

Yeah I see the difference between the two games, but on comparing them here, this is more similar to the one where he was town. I swear that's what I'm seeing

Maybe you should try rereading the isos you linked.

What I got from NM's scumgame that you linked was that he was way more of a troll and his posts have less substance.

Pedit agree.

[ceejayvinoya]

*chime*

I love how the Gosrir wagon is stalling again and a wagon isn't even there yet.

[ceejayvinoya]

Day 1 Post 27

ceejayvinoya (4): Ircher (9), Not_Mafia (17), ofrhz (24), the worst (25),
Ircher (1): ceejayvinoya (11),
Not_Mafia (1):

Quick

(14),
ofrhz (1): Gosrir Elmer Odels (26),
Not voting (2): Brandi,

Saudade

Day 1 Post 59

ceejayvinoya (4): Ircher (9), ofrhz (24), the worst (25), Not_Mafia (31),
Not_Mafia (1):

Quick

(14),
ofrhz (1): Gosrir Elmer Odels (26),

Saudade

(1): ceejayvinoya (33),

Quick

(1): Brandi (52),
Not voting (1):

Saudade

,

Day 1 Post 100

Saudade

(3): ceejayvinoya (33), ofrhz (81), the worst (83),

Quick

(3): Brandi (52),

Saudade

(92), Ircher (93),
Not_Mafia (2):

Quick

(14), Gosrir Elmer Odels (87),
ceejayvinoya (1): Not_Mafia (31),
Not voting (0):

Day 1 Post 232

Gosrir Elmer Odels (3): the worst (130), ofrhz (131), ceejayvinoya (173),
Not_Mafia (2):

Quick

(14), Gosrir Elmer Odels (87),

Quick

(2):

Saudade

(92), Ircher (93),

Saudade

(1): Not_Mafia (231),
Not voting (1): Brandi (152),

Day 1 Post 250

Quick

(2):

Saudade

(92), Ircher (93),

Saudade

(2): Not_Mafia (231), ofrhz (233),
Gosrir Elmer Odels (2): ceejayvinoya (173), the worst (237),
Not_Mafia (1): Gosrir Elmer Odels (87),
Ircher (1):

Quick

(239),
Not voting (1):

Day 1 Post 312 (LYNCH)

Suadade (5): Not_Mafia (231), ofrhz (233), Skygazer (257), Ircher (287), the worst (289),
Not_Mafia (1): Gosrir Elmer Odels (87),
Gosrir Elmer Odels (1): ceejayvinoya (173),
Ircher (1):

Quick

(239),
Not voting (1):

Saudade

,

Day 2 Post 334

Gosrir Elmer Odels (3): Not_Mafia (319), ofrhz (321), the worst (322),
the worst (1):

Quick

(330),
Not voting (4): Gosrir Elmer Odels, ceejayvinoya, Skygazer, Ircher,

Day 2 Post 425

Gosrir Elmer Odels (2): ofrhz (321), the worst (322),

Quick

(2): ceejayvinoya (345), Ircher (356),
Not_Mafia (1): Gosrir Elmer Odels (377),
ofrhz (1):

Quick

(389),
ceejayvinoya (1): Not_Mafia (423),
Not voting (1): Skygazer,

Day 2 Post 462 (LYNCH)

Quick

(5): ceejayvinoya (345), Ircher (356), ofrhz (429), Skygazer (441), the worst (444),
Not_Mafia (1): Gosrir Elmer Odels (377),
ceejayvinoya (1): Not_Mafia (423),
CJ (1):

Quick

(427),
Not voting (0):

Lols

It unnerves me how easily Ircher and Sky hopped on both wagons that ended up as a lynch.

Along with the fact that neither one of them voted Gosrir at all...

[ceejayvinoya]

Oh so you do admit that you've "hopped on" the Saudade wagon

[ceejayvinoya]

I just didn't like the way Ircher was talking around Quick.

Quick is scum.

Okay.

I'm not super sure that Quick is scum here, but to be honest, I don't really have better reads at the moment.

Your "slight" backing off here is what pinged me.

VOTE: Quick
Think this is scum.

I think you only vote him when you feel town will agree with you, indicated by that backing. That's why I said you hopped on.

[ceejayvinoya]

Idk what you're talking about this is my usual quiet

[ceejayvinoya]

My poe says scum are Gosrir, Ircher and Sky, with NM being the wildcard.

[ceejayvinoya]

Wtf @Gosrir I'm going to make it clear here. I completely disagree with your NM read. That's it and you can't walk me through it because that is how I see it. Of the two games you linked, this is more similar to his town game. I think what you're just trying to do here is justify an NM lynch...

[ceejayvinoya]

Plus I pretty much think Gosrir scumslipped when he said Quick is conftown when Saudade flipped. I don't see anything at all that connects those two. In fact, Quick barely mentioned Saudade at all...

VOTE: Gosrir

[ceejayvinoya]

Darn it @Ircher that took too long

Completely agree with them tho. The flavor here is awesome

[ceejayvinoya]

I think NM has like an above 90% accuracy in reading me correctly as scum

[ceejayvinoya]

Not true! I'm just not always town...