Open 739: Epic Duel [Game Over]

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VOTE: io

All of your mothers wear army boots

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I'm probably gonna duel Radiant for the giggles.

Please don't do this

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Nah at some point some gamethrowing moron is gonna duel me
Scum might even do it first

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I wish I rolled scum here so I wouldn't have to deal with being town in this setup

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Sorry that you feel that way.

This setup is easily navigable as scum, I can just lynch anyone who duels me and win.

As town I expect to be in a duel with a townread that creates a no win scenario at some point.

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I like playing town

But I'm at the end of my rope for shit scumreads on me.

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Like I can't solve games when a bunch of people are doing nothing's content wise besides calling me scum. If I Lynch them all since they're unreadable everyone gets mad at me for policy lynching people who scumread me to make my scumgame easier (fuck you I do not sandbag my town game at all thanks.) If I don't lynch them it encourages people to do it and encourages scum to just lynch me when I'm having a good game and kills the threat level I pose as scum. On top of this I still get nightkilled early for being good so it's like I'm trying to enact a game winning plan for town on the one day phsse I'm alive struggling through a bunch of fucking morons calling me scum and s bunch of others policy ignoring my reads because I'm good as scum then if I manage to get my reads to s good place and get some control over the game I just get shot.

It's demonstrably better for everyone involved's winrate to leave me the fuck alone as town but when games are lost because people shit tunneled me I get blamed for it and no one reconsiders their own approaches but when people lose games because I outplayed them as scum it sticks in their mind.

And now even people I've never played before are joining my games and discussing D1 policy lynches so

No, I don't want to play town anymore right now.

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Do you have a death wish, Io?

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VOTE: Ejjnami

Shoshin be a good girl and sheep me please!
I think this is better than Walt.

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Io do you also wanna sheep me in exchange for 20 RCbucks redeemable at an RCstore of your choosing

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Thing is, Io... I'm your new sheriff. And your sheriff needs you, see.

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And as for you, Ejjnami

Draw you no good whisky drinkin outlaw

Draw, Ejjnami!

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You just ruined yer sheriff's reaction test you no good wench

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duel: anonymous ghost

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Duel: AnonymousGhost

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I think IO and Ejjnami are buddies.

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Is this a wagon the new guy and see if he cracks thing?

No. It's more about Io and Ejji.

It's actually kinda amazing how many words they've both said without moving the game anywhere useful.

i didn't even see this

damnit shoshin you stole my thunder

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Damn, you drive a hard bargain.
But I’m not scum reading Ejj at the moment.
Please try again when you have more evidence.

this is a really bizarre way to respond
like 'not scum reading ejj at the moment' is fine, but like why specify at the moment? if you think he's town why do you specifically talk about it like it's subject to change?
and 'please try again when you have more evidence' feels to me like she knows that he's scum like who talks about evidence on your townreads kind of thing

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nvm if Shoshin had that read as early as she did then I am a little less skeptical of her claim to be able to read me.

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page 4 gamesolve yay

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Not so convinced on Ejjnami scum

Walt has very high scum equity here

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Why would you /in for a game where you were going to react like this to rolling town? It feels like you’re trying to bully everyone into not scumreading you and lowkey threatening to lynch anyone who does. Your confidence in your scumgame feels legit. Your confidence in your reads doesn’t.

nvm if Shoshin had that read as early as she did then I am a little less skeptical of her claim to be able to read me.

Her claim to be able to read you as a liar?

Figure out why I think this guy is scum

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Why would you /in for a game where you were going to react like this to rolling town?

I'll give you a hint

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Walt is lockscum that reaction is never town

Let's look for a scum #2 so he can't vengekill anyone until we have solve.

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Btw it's not just the rolling town

All the things he was thinking are straight up scum thought process

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Mostly that I think Walt freakout on me while saying I didn't trust my reads maybe maybe makes Ejjnami more town than not.

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I was skeptical of the phrasing you used moreso than the fact that you didn't vote for him.

You also can't like 'let' me use anything'- I'm using it regardless of your feelings about it.

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That's okay.

I acknowledge I could be wrong on you and I do have some good feelings about some other posts of yours so I'm not like enthusiastic about scumreading you

I need a process of developing my reads.

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Wh4t replace out if this game or I am duelling you.

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Actually this is healthier

duel: what

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VOTE: wh4t

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Oh ok I mean it would be implied.

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What is the alt of user Cheekyteeky.

Didn't realize they were about to be replaced or I wouldn't have done that.

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I didn't really care about winning or losing I just didn't want to play this game with them.

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Walt is still scum.

Wh4t is no worse than average to be scum and I'm not letting them make me replace from this game.

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I didn't realize they were like a minute from replacement

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Just vote me and let PP play the game

Walt spewed his slot town anyhow

With me gone you're free to just kill Walt

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I'll catch another scum in six days

@everyone can I get some reads?

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PP I think you're town

what do you want to do here

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like if you give this game any effort at all I'm fine with you going through to tomorrow

but you need to do the efforting and carry me

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as to why I think you're town here I'll keep that to myself for now

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RC's town
Io's town
PP's town
Ejjnami is town

I'm going to be quiet about everyone else for now

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Can we all agree to lynch me but I get to choose the duel for tomorrow?

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Shoshin if you're not scum its time to play the game while I'm still here.

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Yeah but you're scum garmr so you wouldn't want that.

I'm talking to people who aren't.

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You've been scum since before you said that.

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I'd rather talk to town than scum.

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I'd rather talk to town than scum.

Seems like to me your trying to bait me into voting you to rush the day. I'm not going to fall that shit.

not a viewpoint town garmr ever has.

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anyway.

@Bujaber talk to me about reads
@Shoshin I'm going to tell someone to duel you if you don't do anything before I die. do something.
@NicholasCage were you planning to play the game?

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you're saying something absolutely ludicrous because you're trying to call me scum while interpreting my posts at face value even though they should be towny
if you were town you'd say something along the lines of me trying to bluff you into townreading me, not that I'm "trying to bait you into voting me to rush the day".

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you can keep calling me scum, when I flip you're gonna get powerlynched.

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Penguinpower can I trust you to speed duel Garmr?

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you're so fake bro
sor r y

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tw my boy are you scum?

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w t f

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i'm rly uninterested in joking around rn

have you read the game?

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You can figure it out.

What are your reads on people outside of the 1v1

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had it with wh4t's shit and wanted them out of this game.

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Stop trying to sort me I'm not preventing my lynch.

Treat me as a tree stump.

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i think ejj is actually town

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I want to say IO is town

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err

I want to say TW is town

but he's not engaging me at all, so hard to tell

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i have way too many scumreads right now

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I think I'm changing my mind on Walt honestly

Walt
RC
Io
Ejjnami

PP what are your thoughts on speed dueling Garmr or Bujaber out of this duel?

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err

I want to say TW is town

but he's not engaging me at all, so hard to tell

I tried and you gave me a giant "fuck you" so like
What do you want from me? I'm actually literally annoyed by this game right now.

???

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Maybe scum is something like

Garmr/Bujaber/{Nicholas/Shoshin/TW/PP}

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Do I scumread you or do I not locktownread you?

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Like I already said I think that Garmr's approach to this wagon was slightly more likely to spew you town
I'm not gonna locktown you off of that alone.

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i'm not asking you to sort me

i'm asking you to work with me on other people

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TW u know full well why???

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buja/garmr scumteam

idk third

game is solved.

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Has anyone voted or does anyone intend to vote you? His rhetoric also comes from a place of being doomed (treat me as a treestump, etc., etc.) and given his l33t skum skillz anyone who let's him live thru the day is not sane

this outlook is why I'm not /inning any more games outside of the newbie queue

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i say having /inned a game 3 hours ago for god konws hwat reason
oh yeah firebringer was there

this shit is soul crushing man.

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shoshin or NC is probably the third based on their complete lack of effort in this game.

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we have 3 more lynches

i would strongly recommend them to be garmr/bujaber in any order then shoshin.

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i have a lot more reason to townread all of

PP
TW
RC
IO
Walt
Ejj

than any of those 4

and I think that NC is slightly better than Shoshin

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I'm probably gonna duel Radiant for the giggles.

VOTE: Walt

I'm going to assume that anyone who starts a duel on D1 is scum, unless it's RC, in which case he's confirmed town.

Hey Ejji, help me lynch Walt?

Hey Io, join me on Walt!

Is this a wagon the new guy and see if he cracks thing?

No. It's more about Io and Ejji.

It's actually kinda amazing how many words they've both said without moving the game anywhere useful.

That feels like a lie.

nvm if Shoshin had that read as early as she did then I am a little less skeptical of her claim to be able to read me.

Weird post.

VOTE: Radiant

this is garbage right up to her vote on me

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so yeah

garmr-buj-shoshin

i suspect it's not actually 3/3 scum but i'm nearly certain it's 2/3

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shoshin SR me before the duel it's notable so either she was entirely full of shit when she claimed to be able to read me or she's just scum

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fuck yourself mate it's not my fault you rolled scum.

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and if I'm errantly scumreading you? you're doing the same. so, like, please.

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???
sorry?
not sure what you want from me?

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Like when you've made no effort to determine if I actually am town you have no right to complain that I'm just going to call you scum in return.

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ate ate ate ate ate ate ate ate ate ate ate

garmr/bujaber/shoshin lynches wins the game.

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my empathy is totally turned off sorry.

like i understand that you're actually upset here as well as scum and some days I would care to try to make you feel better but not right now

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TW u know full well why???

Arrcee arrcee how strong are you on PP town?

i'm not but i'll never convince this town to not lynch me.

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my empathy

is totally turned off sorry.

like i understand that you're actually upset here as well as scum and some days I would care to try to make you feel better but not right now

Yeah that can happen sometimes when you get brain damage.

yeah people on MS damage my brain it's unfortunate.

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right. yeah.

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hmm

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say what you want about my actions

no one was required to vote me.

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say what you want about my actions

no one was required to vote me.

Wow you are like a child.

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As I recall Garmr is well known for his ate as scum

if that memory is wrong then I'll consider him as town again

don't hammer or even place more votes on me, tyia

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I have had a bad day

I might 180 on everything tomorrow who knows

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Shoshin is just scum here and you can take that to the bank
Bujaber probably still scum

Garmr maybe legit frustrated
RC town
IO town
The absolute lack of people voting for PP and trying to setup him up as a future mislynch makes me worry that he's scum

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OK.

TW you still think Nic Cage is scum?

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So the duel resolves, then we still have the opportunity to lynch afterward is that right? But presumably we get the flip from the duel first so effectively it's like town has two lynch opportunities per day?

VOTE: RC

I'm probably gonna duel Radiant for the giggles.

Please don't do this

Are you saying you thought you would join this game and NOT get dueled day 1 regardless of your alignment?

If Garmr is this annoyed in a situation where it is literally impossible for him to get lynched then I think he is just really high strung and am going to take his tilt as NAI. Could go either way on him tbh but not defaulting to scumread simply because he got angry

I do not get why PP is being townread by anyone. He has done nothing AI so far.

RC is mostly the lynch here because he seems unhinged and I don't know how to read this level of YOLO. While I think everyone starts off this game thinking "hmm maybe I should duel someone for lulz" throwing down with someone who literally had not posted is just a bit too reckless even for a silly setup like this.

@RC are you saying Shoshin is scum simply because she is scumreading you? Seems like poor reasoning

Also why were you saying PP was town before he did anything of interest? I'm not saying he's scum, I just don't see how you had a read one way or the other based on what he had said and done

Mostly garbage because nothing actually interesting has happened yet.

"BJ maybe scum"

Basically everyone else is null. This was not a high-information exit from RVS.

With some distance from the game, I have a very strong opinion that this ISO is scum.

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i don't think that makes ejj town lol

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TW i'm not townreading you at all

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I think I was the right the first time on Ejji scum and garmr getting there too gives me decent feels about him

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Whatever I give up.

I thought that agreeing to be lynched would make people actually talk to me and try to solve the game with me. clearly that was a mistake.

gl hf with the rest of the game.

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nic cage then ejji are the next two deaths

if that's not good enough to win the game then you should have worked with me while I was here.

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i promise 1/2 flips scum

if nic cage is town and ejj is scum you should seriously consider lynching TW

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eh tw being fucking scum might override my wanting a nic cage lynch just because that's the only lynch that I think might flip scum that he supports.

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I'm not sure of anything because I have exactly 0 confident townreads to start working around.

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I think I can -fairly confidently- put Ejji down as scum actually

I'll start from there.

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I don't know why people act like not being able to back down is a bad thing.
This is the wild west not flag football. Step up and have some confidence in your reads.

and die miserably later on

idk, it might be just me. I generally tend to get paranoid about every single read when I get to lynching them
I mean, there are exceptions, but they don't happen very often

Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.

wait, actually, that's an interesting idea :I
idk how would it work, but you've got my attention

Well it's mostly a thing for when there are only 2 scum left.
If we come to a consensus "Player X duel player Y" then if they are both scum they will not duel each other because scum would instantly lose by default.
Therefor it can be used as a sort of Parity Cop where we know if both refuse to duel then they both have to be scum but otherwise if they agree we know at least 1 is town.

whoa :O that's kinda cool

Yes, I am flawless. No I do not change reads unless I'm a Cop.
Why rush things? Because last time I decided to make compromises and let someone I was confident scum not hang they survived to the end and scum won.
But yeah no. If you're confident someone is scum you'd be stupid to let them live and not try to lynch them, duel them, or make a case on them.

I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.

Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.

it being day 3 instead of day 5 makes a big difference imo

Not really since duels add time almost equal to a whole day anyways.

but you can't back out of it
it's good late game, because of the rising scum influence, but early in the game it's just unneeded
jeez, that's what I was talking about the whole time

i guess it would be hard to convince someone with a really confident read,
but...
if most of the players in the game are town...
and they think your read is weak..........
and the game is in its early stages, so you'll have a lot of time to observe your target and see if it's you or them who is being stupid...
...........

sigh, I mean, it obviously doesn't apply to people with an obvious meta and stuff like that

but idk, I guess it depends on experience :/ I don't think I'll be dueling anyone early on anyways.
Perhaps later in the game, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.

wait, actually, that's an interesting idea :I
idk how would it work, but you've got my attention

I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.

Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.

it being day 3 instead of day 5 makes a big difference imo

Hey Ejji, help me lynch Walt?

why watt?

Except you're locked in to two wagons that aren't necessarily consensus

Pedit: @io

And?

It's still a second lynch. Although you have less choices it's still the same as a lynch.

Are your early reads perfect? Don’t you ever change them later on?
If yes, why rush things when you can’t even back out of it later? You’ll just end up in a situation where you (conf town from your pov) are in a duel with your previous SR, which is now a TR.
While the risk might be worth it late in the game, why rush it early on? Wouldn’t it be better to just wait a few days more just to get that chance to back out if sth unexpected happens?

I mean, really I don't think the duels do anything.

It just makes the game go by faster because it makes it double lynch nightless.

Duel is literally just another lynch as it's the exact same mechanic.

I don't think the duel mechanics should be used early in the game, because it brings town more harm than good.
Like, there's no need to rush to get the additional day lynch, because scum aren't able to kill at night anyways
so we can just take our time and not worry about all of that

and even though people might think that they've got solid reads early in the game, all of that usually ends in everyone changing them later anyways
so forcing people to vote among 2 people early in the game is illogical

It might make sense, late in the game, if scum get near majority, but doing it early on is just not needed

the ridiculous overoccurence of Io in his ISO gives her a pretty solid amount of scum equity
I had this read before I think

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I think TW, RC, PP, and Io are town. In a normal lynch I'd be voting for Nic right now.

His willingness to take the bullet. If he starts backpedaling and pushing votes on PP, then I'll reassess.

this is a really convenient position for scum with PP to take
'RC is town for agreeing to be lynched (so let's lynch him) but if he starts backpedaling and pushing votes on PP he's scum'

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Not so convinced on Ejjnami scum

Walt has very high scum equity here

What changed your mind?

Mostly that I think Walt freakout on me while saying I didn't trust my reads maybe maybe makes Ejjnami more town than not.

Lol, wait, you really are confident that walt is scum

I didn’t have any serious interactions with him, so if you were SRing me and him before, how did you get that “not SvS” read?

but this strongly reads to me as not paired

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so I think I need to develop multiple sets of scumteams

Ejj/Io
Penguin/Walt

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there's really objectively too many people who are scummy as fuck in this game.

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i think there would be an extreme amount of information obtained from lynching penguinpower immediately after me and determining if the duel was TvS or TvT

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I kind of want to rebuild the game around Garmr being scum

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yea

garmr/bujaber was some damn good shit

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damn

that is like

good shit

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ok
let's rebuild around that
those 2 chucklefucks are scum
SO

Ejjnami spewed town I think at the very least

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also I went back and verified my meta on garmr
not only is he perfectly willing to be as big and random of a toxic dick as he has been this game as scum
him being like this strongly points towards him being scum

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like town garmr doesn't start randomly accuse people of being brain damaged and spreading said brain damage around
he's scum and more to the point he's pissed because I called him and his buddy out

now, I'm still going to try to solve the rest of the game because that's the way I roll

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am i?
eh
nah
i'm good actually tbh

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amusingly I think it's not implausible that the scumteam is ejji/buja/garmr

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also think that you shoshin make a fairly good candidate

you were calling me scum when I was pushing buja/garmr then backed off when I got distracted

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right, i totally deserved to be called brain damaged for saying that you were scum.

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classic garmr to, when called out on toxic being a scumtell, ramp up the toxicity and blame me for it

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i mean its not personal garmr is just scum

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also his calling me town then doing nothing about it is a hilariously scum motivated move

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bujaber's scum at the absolute least and garmr's associations with him are hilariously awful + yeah

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Ok shoshins just scum

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I'd like to think that I'm better scum than this. Like, c'mon.

an interesting statement given that you have continually argued to me in past games that I should locktown you because you're too incompetent as scum to do trivial tasks.

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VOTE: FA_Q2

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FA_Q2/Buja/Garmr all dead before endgame

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Ejj is town btw

like all of the time

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ejj scum want me to die today because i'm onto them

not because PP is scum.

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everyone has called penguin town

i'll just get him to speedduel actual scum and if anyone duels before he does they get quicklynched

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we'll see who backs down on PP being town when that forces them to vote their buddies

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mm ok

garmr is at the very least attempting to game throw if he's town

perfect lynch

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idk who third is beyond garmr/bujaber

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warning you in advance: garmr is scum and he's going to speedduel Ejjinami to make it impossible for town to correctly get a duel on his scumpartners who are in weaker positions and trust in his abusiveness and AtE to keep his slot alive.

speedlynch him when he does.

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eh

if you can actually get them lynched today after my flip then town is actually gamethrowing and you deserve your win.

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i don't want to case you because you're just gonna keep being obnoxious and awful scum you and attacking me personally for scumreading you (correctly)

i have the advantage of being able to use clout that i worked hard to earn to get you lynched without having to actually engage you in macho repartee, i'll do that

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i'm all for being both aggressive and assertive and you know my playstyle well enough to know that. i'm not a fan of the way you've conducted yourself at several points that are too extreme even for me.

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ok but you're scum

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and...

VOTE: RC

This should not require explanation.

it does. Elaborate on your vote please

RC did something that should be blatantly against site rules IMHO - he took outside beef with a player and willingly scraped his win con to ensure that they would not be playing together. That is disgusting and has nothing to do with the game period.

That is toxic to the site in general.

see I would actually agree with you that this should be against the rules. but it isn't and this has been established time and time again.
f doing shit like this were against the rules my life would be a helluva lot easier. that said, is this really against my wincon?
A total random lynch still has a chance of hitting scum and the reactions that this will give will help solve the game.

I feel ~confident that this is still a win.

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That said the utter presumption of me being town + garmr's unexplained townread there gives me fairly good feelings about that flipping scum, SO like
let's say TW is really scum

that would make shoshin town
RC town
Penguin town (very very probably)
Nicholas cage town (very very probably)
IO i'm fine calling town OR scum that won't even matter because they are never getting lynched before endgame, just gotta track down dem partners
Ejjnami town

so

Walt
Gamr
Bujaber
FA_Q2

containing 3 scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Garmr's still the game solve lynch ftr, Garmr has to die tomorrow

Can everyone I put as town + anyone who is the one town in the scumpool agree to powerlynch Garmr?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm actually kind of happy to call it

FA_Q2->Garmr->Bujaber

or some variant

like Garmr first is optimal but I'm fine-ish letting Shoshin or whoever lead on FA_Q2

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm confident that

FA_Q2(TW)->Garmr->Bujaber->Walt is in fact a won game I think

like I can imagine it being like shoshin/whatever but honestly I think that I'll give the win to shoshin if she's scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Ejj and Nicholas Cage are, I think, town no matter what universe this is

Io/Shoshin I think might contain 1 scum but I don't think it contains both

Penguin maaaybe is my mistake but I think a lot of the scum reactions indicate PP not being scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ejji at some point you have to raelize that Garmr isn't just pushing on you because he's wrong town, he's scum setting you up for a mislynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

But I'm actually very happy to just say fuck it if we lose because I was wrong on PP that's on you guys for lynching me over him.

So.

Walt
Gamr
Bujaber
FA_Q2

your lynchpool for the rest of the game containing at least 2 scum
think the odds of it only having 2 scum as opposed to 3 are fairly high, think the odds of it only having 1 scum are extremely low, like somewhere under 20%

[RadiantCowbells]

Lynch Garmr first
he's playing exactly to his scum meta to a T. He doesn't play like this as town. Even the game he compared this game to he was far more push-y and far less abrasive and toxic. This isn't his town game, take it to the bank.
Once you've got that flip, I would say to lynch the others in the order Bujaber->FA_Q2 / FA_Q2 -> Bujaber -> Walt for highest odds of a speedy resolution to the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

(I think that Bujaber actually is significantly more consistently scum than FA_Q2, but I don't want to keep pushing my will over everyone elses ftr)

Shoshin
PP
Nicolas Cage
Io
Ejj

All of you need to vote Garmr, scum isn't going to bus this game.
Do any of you have any reservations about that when it's coming from conftown me

[RadiantCowbells]

Did you ever explain the FaQ read? I haven't seen much of them and they are hard town.

That is pretty strange, isn't it. It's almost like he's scum trying to put all his buddies in the townpool because he knows if one domino tips over they all do this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also crazy note:
that list of people also
in its entirety
constitutes the people who are voting me
people who have weird TMI townreads on penguin

I knew Penguin was town because Garmr spewed him town. Everyone else has no reason to townread him over me.
They want to keep Penguin alive because they're a lot more threatened by me than him.

[RadiantCowbells]

And that's fine, but when I'm no longer alive this same block of people is going to immediately open PP up to a mislynch.
Maybe not because I've called them out for it preemptively, but there's no sincere townread there, just a utilty townread to justify lynching me when I've been obvtown.

And Garmr

would

do all of this as scum and you can take that to the bank.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, before I started calling Garmr/Bujaber town

the votes on me were Nicholas Cage and Shoshin

Neither of them are presently voting me because they reacted to my play and the gamestate

As soon as I started calling Garmr scum, the entire block of people he's townreading for 0 fucking reason (FA_Q2/Bujaber) and the person who I'm not a fan of his interactions with and makes sense as a third buddy that he decided to put at the bottom of the scumpool (Walt) ended up voting me.

That's not an accident.

[RadiantCowbells]

And that's the giveaway, I think, that Penguin is town. If Penguin were scum they'd have been voting because that's who they want to lynch.
No, they were playing the field. Garmr waffled on me for a bit. No one was sure who they wanted to lynch. Worst stayed in the middle and just called NC scum.

But as soon as I started making offensive plays all these votes ended up on me. Garmr we already know his toxic BS, I think that Walt and FA_Q2 (which contains the last townie I think) have at least covered their tracks but

PP is so town right now man did you read his answers to my questions and circumstances of his rep in?

RC is town. I wouldn't have replaced in if I didn't think he was.

BuJaber is still scum. Ejj is mebee. WorstBird is balancing between right now. Walt I dunno. Garmr prob town. Shoshin...not sure if I can townread, but townlean? Io is town that will probably end up scum. Nic Cage feels off so I'm going to put him in the middle with WorstBird right now until I can figure it out.

tfw RC is the only good townread you have and it's D1.

PP why does RC's alignment make a difference to you repping in or not? And did you know he duelled your slot before repping in?

I wouldn't want to lose a duel to scum!RC...I don't mind to town!RC. Yes, I knew he dueled my slot before requesting to replace it. It's the reason why I replaced in...this slot was never not going to end up losing the duel, and I'm quite sure that most people don't want to rep in to a gladiated slot, let alone one against RC.

I agree with 2 out of 3 of his scum reads. I trust RC to influence this town more than I can.

p-edit

I've already answered that.

@ejj ^ the quotes you asked for

VOTE: RC

My read on PP is strong and from I see so far this playerlist is too stubborn to listen to anyone.

This is bullshit. This all happened a long time ago but Bujaber's read came up when I started to get too close to the scumteam. Aside from the fact that, like, PP doesn't deserve a 'strong' townread off of his own play.
He does deserve it off of the way pseudo-confscum are interacting with him, but nothing that Bujaber cited justifies a townread.

Buja/Garmr was right 100% of the time. I'm not even gonna commit on anyone else because it's not worth it but FA_Q2/Walt does have much higher partner equity. But Buja/Garmr wins the game.
Also: Garmr wouldn't have gotten as pissed off as he did at my 'smugness' if I wasn't right.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd actually put pretty serious money on Shoshin scum for her complete inability to see that Garmr/Bujaber is obvious. She's better than this.
Like I said a second ago FA_Q2 and Walt do have like trajectories on me that make sense. Like obviously they could be scum, but they could also be town.
And I got serious scum pushing mislynches vibes from Shoshin's 'yeah we are doing Ejji/TW' into 'sure we can lynch Nic because replace out'

She has no soul and no force behind her pushes and the sheer fact of her voting me early gives me pause townreading her.

But again, she's scum with Garmr/Bujaber and those 2 are the priority lynches.

I been town reading those slots way before they voted you. Bujaber has been explained and I have discussed the worst (which is faq2.)

The way you are portraying the way events happened don't hold up when you actually look into it.

I have no respect for people whose only strategy as scum is toxicity so I'm not going to engage you, sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

I say money in the sense that the odds are really there

Io can be town again because she's asking the right, pointed questions
Ejji was always town
PP town now
Nicholas cage town
RC town

thats 5

{Garmr, Bujaber} lock scum
partner in {FA_Q2, Walt, Shoshin}

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually of that pool the first person I'd want to clear is FA_Q2
Them policy voting me is... unsurprising to say the least

Then of Walt and Shoshin I would put the most money on shoshin

So tier list

{Garmr, Bujaber, Walt} is THE most likely gamesolve
{Garmr, Bujaber, Shoshin} is the SECOND most likely gamesolve
{Garmr, Bujaber, FA_Q2} is the THIRD most likely gamesolve.

[RadiantCowbells]

FTR I changed my read on walt and shoshin midpost when I went back and read walt/shoshin ISOs

can't be scummy because I'm town

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd like to think that I'm better scum than this. Like, c'mon.

Shoshin

What is your take on garm?

I don't have one yet. You?

yeah ick, Shoshin doesn't have any correct scumreads either

[RadiantCowbells]

I demand all the respect that correctly solving the game without flips deserves regardless of whether it's Shoshin or Walt btw.
If it's FA_Q2 I'm still claiming god tier but obviously I can't really claim a correct gamesolve on a pool of 5.

That's enough gamesolving, my posts in the thread from here on out will be for the sake of convincing my townies to my point of view.

[RadiantCowbells]

aand

[RadiantCowbells]

To be continued....

Duel Vote Count 1.6

RadiantCowbells: Garmr, Walt, FA_Q2, BuJaber
PenguinPower: Io, ejjinami

Not Voting: Shoshin, Nicolas Cage

Plurality Lynch Mechanic In Play: the player with the most votes by the end of the Duel deadline will be killed.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-10-09 12:57:38)

Lynch Deadline Frozen @ 7 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes

You have 2 more days to talk to me.
Make use of it, whoever is town here.

I say money in the sense that the odds are really there

Io can be town again because she's asking the right, pointed questions
Ejji was always town
PP town now
Nicholas cage town
RC town

thats 5

{Garmr, Bujaber} lock scum
partner in {FA_Q2, Walt, Shoshin}

those reads are correct. if you have any doubts about them, talk to me while I'm alive.

[RadiantCowbells]

Rc before you said you earned clout to not have to put a case on me. Now your telling everyone your going to convince them I'm scum what changed?

what are you trying to argue here lol

[RadiantCowbells]

RC in your own words describe the difference between Garmr's scum and town metas?

Because I've not seen his scum game but I've seen his towngame and stubbornness/AtE/fighting are all part of the deal.

Like he and gustavo might have a shot at being worse than you and Tora if you had a competition of dysfunctional pairings in game.

shh

i don't talk to scumfucks like u

[RadiantCowbells]

(if you must know I'm alternating going fuck it I hate everyone here enjoy your loss and going I must carry this to avenge my terrible duel)

[RadiantCowbells]

either way like i'm sure if my last will and testament in this lobby is garmr is fucking scum kill his stupid ass you WILL die before endgame
you just aren't good enough as scum to talk your way out of that. sorry.
but, like, it's not good enough for me to just have you die before endgame. I don't really care about just winning this game tbh. I care about making a statement.
there's a reason I'm playing this game past the point of PoEing it to a win, I'm going for 3/3 because I gotta prove to myself that all of this has been worth it or something.

Idk. I have a love/hate relationship with mafia right now. Whether true or not, I tell myself that my bad experiences/performances as town are because of other people reacting poorly to me.
If I can't perform well as town in a position where reads on me don't matter anymore then at least half of that is a lie and I should probably just move on.

[RadiantCowbells]

Penguin's good at giving basic reads, but not very good at making himself readable.
I'm a bit unsure about him though, since I'm torn on how to read 336.
I'm leaning more scum though because like the rest of his posts he lacks any substance at all. They are bare-bone reads with no real reasoning behind them.
Most of his posts are also reactionary it seems rather than trying to promote discussion he is just reacting to whatever is brought up and as I said he doesn't even really add anything at all. He says things, but not actually having meaning behind his words.

VOTE: Penguin

I think this is a townie post but if penguin is lynched over RC I will replace out.

I have a serious problem with this.
I've objectively done nothing to you. If I was objectively being an asshole to you, sure, even as scum I am fine with something like this.
But I did nothing to antagonize you besides call you scum. I even went out of my way to make this less messy than it could have been.
I'm sure you know me by reputation enough to know that if you want to drag this down into the muck I will walk all over you. I am a lot better at fighting dirty than I am at fighting clean.
But you're using out of game threats to try to create a gamestate suitable for yourself as scum and relying on the fact that I'm not in the mood to fight back in the same way.
Make no mistake if you ever pull something like this again you'll get the same reaction in turn. This isn't good scum play, this isn't borderline, this is just

wrong

.

You want to talk about your reads or not?

To you? no. you're scum. like if you really want me to go through the motions with you of explaining why everyone is town I can do it out of respect, but I don't like want to.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think town you who is being scumread by me says that 'my reads are meaningless without reasoning.' I think that scum you definitely says it though.

[RadiantCowbells]

That is true.

I could explain everything to be more teach-y here. Hmm.

[RadiantCowbells]

Frankly I wouldn't care so much if you hadn't played the setup before. But you and garmr both have, both are active and are both suspecting each other.

okay, but what does this mean?

[RadiantCowbells]

???

YOU are choosing to lynch me right now and kill a veteran of the setup

So we shouldn't lynch Garmr because he's a veteran of the setup but lynching me when you think I'm town is fine?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like sorry you didn't even say that because you were too scared to even express that Garmr shouldn't be lynched: and thats why you're so obviously buddies. Because you won't SR each other but are terrified of expressing that.

[RadiantCowbells]

But sure I'll just carry on as if you had actually expressed that notion in spite of the fact that that's what you were going towards but stopped shy of actually saying it because you knew how bad it would work. If lynching Garmr, a veteran of the setup, is concerning to you, then why is not equally concerning to you to lynch RC, also a veteran of the setup, and objectively a stronger player as town? You didn't seem particularly worried about the skill difference between me and PP (not claiming there is one, simply talking about your PoV) but you're defending Garmr on the basis of his experience with the setup... why?

[RadiantCowbells]

You'll 'grill garmr just as hard if he is up for a lynch' but are you going to end up voting him? no you're not you're not gonna bus into autolose cuz you'll get powerlynched the next day when that read of mine is proven right.
I've expressed my thoughts, if you were town and thought Garmr was town you wouldn't give so many fucks about me 'expressing my thoughts', you're just looking for something that you can attack about my read.

[RadiantCowbells]

'this guy has spent the entire game only calling me (who I know to be town) and my townread town what an IDIOT I'm going to talk about how much he knows the setup and try to get him to express his thoughts!'

[RadiantCowbells]

It's actually laughable how bad you think my scumgame is. I do only one thing well as scum. Mess with associatives.

If I were scum there'd be zero chance of garmr being scum with me.

Pedit : nope you expressed false invitation for people to pick your brain before you get lynched. I have expressed very clearly why I think you should be lynched instead of PP. But you keep spinning my vote into some twisted version of reality that serves your agenda. If you were being genuine and regretful you would have dropped your attitude long ago and actually tried to use your time wisely. You actually attempted to justify your duel at one point. Your regret and your willingness to work with others are both clearly fake.

lelelelelelelelel clearly fake okay so what are you gonna do when I flip town?

If I were scum there'd be zero chance of garmr being scum with me.

Well then, if you get lynched first at least you should be happy that you successfully get Garmr mislynched!

[RadiantCowbells]

What about Walt?

[RadiantCowbells]

mmm

[RadiantCowbells]

Bujaber you weren't calling me scum for most of the day then all of a sudden I'm scum now because I'm calling you scum in a way that does me no favors if I was scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean if I'm correct about who you are I already really liked you nicholas cage and I'm sure you knew that
but I like you a lot more after this.

[RadiantCowbells]

at least I hope you knew that? I'm not sure if you did tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

Bujaber is the lynch tomorrow by the way. Not Garmr, not Walt. Those 3 go in the next 3 days, but Bujaber is the first lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

nope nope nope

[RadiantCowbells]

I think there is at most 1 scum not voting me right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would actually specifically guess there is

exactly

2 scum on the wagon and 1 scum off.

[RadiantCowbells]

Io, why won't you lynch Bujaber?

[RadiantCowbells]

Garmr if you're going to try to fuck the game up I'm going to tell everyone to lynch you tomorrow. Ejji isn't scum and your reads are bad.

[RadiantCowbells]

I may or may not be.

I'm going to give town a winning lynch order at the end of this day.

Regardless of my read on you, if you're going to try to lynch people I'm 100% sure are scum I'll put you at the front of the order so you can't screw up future days.

[RadiantCowbells]

100% sure are town*

[RadiantCowbells]

kk

i'll get my last words out at noon

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm already sorely disappointed in you if you're town so

:shrug:

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm a lot more concerned about the people declaring PP locktown for no reason.

If I have any issues with the IO slot, them choosing to vote PP is not one of them.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright. I've postponed this long enough that I might not be able to express

all my thoughts

on this game so I'm gonna focus on just posting like the hard reads and keeping a lot of the behind the scenes thinking so to speak covered up.

[RadiantCowbells]

So for starters I have 3 basically locktown reads

RC
Penguin
Nicholas cage

All these dudes and dudettes are town. I'm like 100% on that.

PP is there because, well, like, I just feel the town from how he's played this game. And from the way scum have dealt with the game. Feel it in my bones kinda thing.
Nic cage is locktown because of 625 and the surrounding content.

I believe that these reads are unimpeachable: I will be fucking pissed off if anyone lynches these people before endgame. Don't lynch these people before endgame.

[RadiantCowbells]

From there on, my reads become very impeachable and you can screw with them if you absolutely have to.

But don't touch my top townreads.

[RadiantCowbells]

Now Bujaber... eh
like I want to believe that he and Garmr are scum but

I actually don't know if that's true

and of the two I do sorta think that

Bujaber

is town.

Can someone give me the case on eij, There are a lot of people claiming scum there and I don't see why?

Postie!

[RadiantCowbells]

So that's

Locktown:
PP
NC

Town:
Bujaber

Remainder
Io
FA_Q2
Walt
Garmr
Shoshin
Ejjinami