Open 739: Epic Duel [Game Over]
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Anyone would act like that.In post 335, Walt wrote:
He's acting like there's a real chance he could lose this duel. Seems towny to me.In post 330, Shoshin wrote:Walt, why is PP town?
This post does not sit right with me. Why would you expect scum to act otherwise?-
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RC did something that should be blatantly against site rules IMHO - he took outside beef with a player and willingly scraped his win con to ensure that they would not be playing together. That is disgusting and has nothing to do with the game period.
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There is no L-1. If there was, why would you be against L-1 this shitshow now so we can get on with the game? Why continue with a slot that we KNOW is going to die and not end the day?In post 506, Nicolas Cage wrote:VOTE: FA_Q2
RC is at L-1 I guess so might as well get this ready now. I know it's not a valid vote... yet.
And what makes me scum? You failed to even mention that part? What in my whole one post or in my predecessors posts makes you scum read my slot. Particularly when you JUST passed on TW. This is simply a convenient time for you to swap your reads.
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I explained my vote (which you left out entirely) AND you waited till after TW swapped and was unable to explain himself to attack any of his content. There was no anger there either, that is all your own inference.In post 714, Nicolas Cage wrote:In post 194, the worst wrote:
UGH YOU'RE LIKE MY STUPID PARENTD WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND MEIn post 192, RadiantCowbells wrote:tw my boy are you scum?
((So these posts are why I started out disliking this slot -- he starts out basically directly trying to dive into RC, who he has an existing connection with. This feels like a direct appeal to meta relationships.
Next he starts focusing on his mood rather than sorting or engaging anyone elseIn post 204, the worst wrote:I'm happy to figure it out but if I have to do that myself and THEN sort you I'll be in a Bad Mood from the get go
pedit: I don't see how that translates to lolduelling them. Before they post??
feels lazyIn post 218, the worst wrote:gut read Walt scum
He called me a wolf at this point when I basically had no reads which basically made no sense. He seemed more interested in shading low activity slots than in sorting or solving. He also wanted to focus on irrelevant BS.In post 222, the worst wrote:We should lynch Nicholas Cage.
he's spelled his own name wrong and he's a wolf.
The main thing here is that this feels really fake to me. Weird post and not townie.In post 246, XxtheWORSTxX wrote:feeling both PP and RC are town so far by the way which has -- VOID OF ALL IRONY -- pushed my absolute vexation over the edge.
This is fencesitting while he doesn't actually vote PPIn post 300, XxtheWORSTxX wrote:just going to be the worst for a moment
I'm maybe townreading RC a little more strongly than PP atm
I mean, did RC doom himself? Maybe--but he makes no effort to sort PP and shows no interest in that slot
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The Duck seemed to want to get on RC's 'good side' before going down. Then, when that didn't work, he had no qualms with leaving the game as part of a qausi-site flake. The replace out is NAI since he left so many games at once, but it certainly doesn't make him town. His other actions were much more interested in political reads and manipulating RC than in sorting. FA_Q2 has basically purely relied on appeal to anger to avoid saying really anything interesting.
Really feel like this is the way to go for this dayphase
VOTE: FA_Q2
Your entire post is garbage.
VOTE: Cage
Why is Io scum? The TMI case is reaching IMHO. Is there another case on him?-
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Naked vote is naked.
Do you have an actual reason here other than following RC?-
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Then tell me what makes Io scum.In post 770, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Not usually on weekends, but I'm here now! You?In post 762, Shoshin wrote:I guess I should start putting effort now.
Irrelephant, you around? Let's discuss the game?lol
shoshin is ~80% likely to be town here, move your vote
This is also crapIn post 766, BrightEyedFish wrote:
I agreeIn post 763, FA_Q2 wrote:That was garbage.
Too lazy to check for yourself?In post 764, Shoshin wrote:Who did Light Ethos replace?
Too obvious.
VOTE: Shoshin
Like in what world is it scum motivated to ask a question for which the answer is in the OP? She's, what, trying to play lazy town?
Eh I actually see what you might see here, but I still think this is a bad vote-
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Well, I would put it with me on shoshin. Claiming that we should follow up on RC's reads (as though RC has some inside information which we know to be false) but not putting a vote anywhere and then jumping on as soon as someone puts a vote up - scummy. Claiming that there is a real reason that she is voting there and then not having one at all is scummier.
Why does townshoshin lose interest like this but scum shoshin not? If the driving factor is RC, then it would be NAI.
Could always go back to NC. Still do not like that slot much - a bunch of OMGUS and then purposefully casing a player that is no longer in the game is scummy as fuck. The useless excuse of not casing because we were locked into the duel BUT placing a vote on me during that duel is scummy.
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So do I. Why is he not town then?In post 813, PenguinPower wrote:Even with the replacements, I think we need to follow RC's reads. I don't like the townreads from NC on either Io (BEF) or Ejji (teh Elephant).
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More misrep me claiming some anger BS with my points on your supposed case. I gave specific reason that your push on me was garbage - you put up a wall going into the worst AFTER he replaced out and ignored my posts. You had ample time to engage with the worst but chose to actually do so after he left and could not add anything to the game. Your 'reason' for this is that we were locked into the shitduel. Interesting reason considering YOU VOTED FOR ME THEN. Clearly the duel had nothing to do with not casing me. This is a clear indication that you came up with the case AFTER the read to me. And finally here you are being all belligerently angry without cause - something that you claim you are scum reading ME for.
So, don't leave your replacement hanging - why would town NC do this?
Or, you know, we can just lynch this scum slot now. Back to NC.
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You were talking about nothing useful. Why do you even care who you would choose between the duelers? That situation is over. I notice how you did not bother to comment on an actual post/player/action or anything that might move the game forward.In post 866, Creature wrote:
No, I was talking in general, not sure who I would choose between the duelers.In post 864, Garmr wrote:
But if you are talking about rc and pp in a duel then I don't like your response straight off the bat. Your in Nic slot to so nothing really changed my read on it.In post 858, Creature wrote:Did we really just lynch the louder player?
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Good for you. Does not make your statement any less false.In post 881, BrightEyedFish wrote:
I don't buy that.In post 878, BuJaber wrote:In post 838, BrightEyedFish wrote:
It's straight up opportunistic...In post 837, BuJaber wrote:
I never understood this mentality..In post 835, BrightEyedFish wrote:VOTE: FA_Q2
For voting an empty slot. Give the new person a chance, I say.
If someone thinks a slot is scummy, and they place a regular vote not a lynch or something close to a lynch like L-1, then why is it scummy? The rep out doesn't clear the slate.
It's not though. Not when this mentality is widespread on the site. People will be hesitant to lynch the replacement. You have to work harder to push it through.
Anyway, I wanted NC to respond to what I said before he left. There was only one way to do that. I did not get a response unfortunately. Creature has done nothing to change my stance on that slot and he has had the opportunity.-
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Did you just seriously hard scum slip....In post 898, BrightEyedFish wrote:D2 will bring much needed information if I am alive to share it.
And then you don't even try.In post 906, BrightEyedFish wrote:The FA_Q2/Creature (NC) connection.
VOTE: BrightEyedFish
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You clearly do not know what distancing means.In post 921, BrightEyedFish wrote:
Why vote now? Distancing?In post 912, FA_Q2 wrote:
Did you just seriously hard scum slip....In post 898, BrightEyedFish wrote:D2 will bring much needed information if I am alive to share it.
And then you don't even try.In post 906, BrightEyedFish wrote:The FA_Q2/Creature (NC) connection.
VOTE: BrightEyedFish
Creature can wait till tomorrow.
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The deadline is in 7 hours. You had better hurry.In post 926, Irrelephant11 wrote:oops I didn't ISO Garmr yet
I guess the deadline is the deadline so I still have time
@BEF I wish you'd do more to sort the remaining player list. Your lynch does seem like it was fated long ago, but that doesn't mean you can't help town at all-
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Same here considering that she was pretty universally scum read.In post 951, PenguinPower wrote:Shoshin kill doesn’t make sense to me.-
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?In post 985, Creature wrote:Did you slip me town?
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Not SR a slot does not mean TR that slot.In post 979, Garmr wrote:Not once did faq try to explain his town read on the slot.
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Because he was a null slot.In post 990, Garmr wrote:Also I would even accept a scum read while explaining with what you agreed didn't agree with. But you didn't you just pushed against the wagon with out explaining a town read or a scum read or any read.
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Well, obviously I do so yes, you need to effort some more.In post 1014, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: FA_Q2
this is silly
none of these duels feel like duels
I think I remember scumreading a couple FAQ2 posts before replace in
With Shoshin and RC slipped I feel comfortable sheeping PP and BuJaber whenever they agree, so
Let me know if I need to effort this game some more
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Because scum get a town kill without putting any effort into it and do not have to cover. The entire discussion is now going to be around me and garmr. And garmr just happened to pick me who is an easy mislynch here. It is also noteworthy that he never really came out and pushed me as scum - just went right into duel mode. We are not going to get any associations or any information to find scum. Why duel a player WITHOUT at least trying to push them and get them lynched FIRST. You know, when you can refine your read, possibly find out more, see reactions to the wagon. You know - actually play in a pro town manner.In post 1013, Light Ethos wrote:
I see what you mean now. Of the two of you, I tend to think that if either of you is scum, it would be FA_Q2, and I can't see this being a distancing tactic.In post 995, Garmr wrote:
I was meaning in case it suddenly happens like rc and pp yesterday. Also I want FAQ dealt with and if another duel took place he might be able to sink away from attention.In post 994, Light Ethos wrote:@Garmr: Can you expand a bit more on why you dueled FA_Q2 instead of shoving him? Who of your town reads were you worried about dueling another town read? (Or did I misunderstand your EBWOP?)
Also it forces players to take a stance on him and me which is good for info.
@FA_Q2: Why are duels "asininely scum-sided?"
@mod: No problem! Everyone makes mistakes.
Garmr is being a bull in a china shop here - he does not want to figure out my alignment - he just wants a town lynched.-
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Oh look.In post 15, Garmr wrote:Last time town rushed it and got another townie killed. Then day 2 scum did it. Then town was like derp he must be town. Then scum shoot me for saying the guy was probably scum (i think thats why)died.
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No.In post 1018, Irrelephant11 wrote:did you scumread garmr before this?-
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Because IIn post 1021, Irrelephant11 wrote:so why are you sure he's a better lynch than you? If he's town, and you're town, and you're more easily mislynchable (and based on others' reads up to this point that's the case) you should probably be the one to go. Is there anything other than the duel that makes you think Garmr is scum?thoughthe was town - pulling that duel particularly in the shit way he did certainly seems scummy af to me - but I KNOW I am town for certain.-
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I did not see scum garmr getting into that shitstorm with RC.In post 1023, Irrelephant11 wrote:Okay so why'd you townread him before now?-
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You mean the RC grudge duel where RC threw his win-con out the window to peruse a personal grudge on a player for outside game interaction simply to ensure they would not be able to play the game?
That duel? Boy, I wonder why I did not bring this up.
It might also have something to do with the fact I was not even here until that shitstorm was almost finished.-
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How so?In post 1040, BuJaber wrote:I voted already I don't know why my vote didn't count.
I voted before and after the duel was initiated
VOTE: FAQ
I don't understand what your first point is FAQ.
As for the rep-in fair enough.
RC dueled a slot that had not posted a single post. He dueled because he does not like the player PP replaced into - not to play. That was admitted.-
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hmmm, then what is the point in even posting.In post 1066, Irrelephant11 wrote:Garmr, this game ends when one more scum dies
FAQ2 is the lynch today and nothing will be changing that imo
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If creature was so obvious and I was voting there why not duel creature - the game is over when the second scum is hit. NOT using me to go after creature would be asinine. Further, scum ARE NOT GOING TO DISTANCE here - simply not going to happen because if one is shot then they simply lose. Ergo, you didn't even approach this duel - as already pointed out - with a town mindset at all.In post 1065, Garmr wrote:Town has 2 ways of thinking this game. First way is to find the scum out of the 5 left after faq flips scum and shoots me that's a 20% chance if you did it by random. Another way is two find two town for me since I'm going to die since faq is scum which gives me a 64% chance to win if it's a random number calculator. For the people who are town after this only have to find one town and keep them alive so that's a 80% of winning if picking at random.
I just want town to think about that after I'm gone because This game has a high chance of a town win. Now for my input.
This slot is town and obvious town. I could pick this slot out as town early game. Keep this slot alive and It's a win for town. Along with my early arguments it's pretty easy to see from interactions with IO that this slot is town.Bujaber
Penguin power.
Also a lot IO might bus but honestly one of the first to jump on IO when they didn't have to so in all townie.
So those are my two I would keep alive For a guaranteed win.
Walt/Light ethos
I noticed IO is pretty adamant about how town Walt is. I am leaning more to buddying but never explained the read well. Walt also synced up to me earlier game so I like that. If for some reason faq 2 flips town this read reverses but I don't think it will.
Eji/Irrelphant.
Well Ejji was awful so i'm not sure if IO was bussing or not. On the other hand I like Irrelphant. Most likey town.
Nic/creature
After FAQ2 flips scum don't need to look any further. Nic was quite obvious scum there attempts at distancing were shit and
Hint hint scum buddy.In post 915, Creature wrote:Wished BEF would be more present.
Ok to scum maybe but me and pp didn't think that and the other didn't mention the slot was obvious town and I'm town. This leads intoIn post 955, Creature wrote:
She obvtowns pretty easilyIn post 951, PenguinPower wrote:Shoshin kill doesn’t make sense to me.
If Walt was obvious town why would this make sense. I feel like you are trying to rush a frame on walt here.In post 1051, Creature wrote:Shoshin prob died for wanting Walt dead
So from this I can figure out something. Scum thought the lack of people willing to vote Shoshin was because town had a town read on them and not becuase Io was obvious scum and with the counter wagon if town didn't town read the slot they predicted they would read Shoshin as town after. After Creature slips up and anwsers this and after a while tries to set up and frame walt/light slot as scum for shos def despite mentioning earlier the reason.
This game is over and easy.
Io/bef, worst/faq2 and nic/creature.
ele/garmr would be my pick for scum - ele does not want to solve this shootout - he is ONLY interested in finding a reason to lynch my slot. Just look at the posts after the duel started - they are not posts about sorting me and garmr, they are posts simply to justify a vote that is already a given. Further, with as much time as we have left, my lynch is a 'given.' Why, because ele will not vote his scum buddy.-
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Unfortunately, you cant hammerIn post 1063, Creature wrote:Tbh I'm tempted to just hammer FAQ2 to end this duel and then we can lynch LE
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He stated exactly why he dueled the slot and then promptly gave up.In post 1084, BuJaber wrote:
So you're saying because we know it was personal there was no point in asking him why he didn't try to push and sort the slot instead of duelling?In post 1068, FA_Q2 wrote:
How so?In post 1040, BuJaber wrote:I voted already I don't know why my vote didn't count.
I voted before and after the duel was initiated
VOTE: FAQ
I don't understand what your first point is FAQ.
As for the rep-in fair enough.
RC dueled a slot that had not posted a single post. He dueled because he does not like the player PP replaced into - not to play. That was admitted.
I think Nic/creature is scum but if scum with FAQ doesn't really make sense for nic to vote him so many times.
And creature isn't lurking lol.
@garmr - haven't you played this setup before?
To boot, the slot HAD ZERO POSTS when he dueled it. ZERO. There was literally nothing to go on.-
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Scum lose first player and creature already had some people grumbling about the slot being scummy and I am chief among them. Garmr goes on and duels me getting creature completely off the hook, fingers creature as my partner (a read that is promptly going to vanish when he finds out he is 'wrong' about my alignment) and gets him in a duel he believes he can win.-
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And when I flip town, what are you going to say about this bullshit post?In post 1097, Irrelephant11 wrote:FAQ2 if I were scum in your spot I would get more fatalistic
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So, in short, anyone that does not agree with you weather my flip is town or scum, is scum.In post 1121, Garmr wrote:
Well to be honest I feel like I have this game solved. To me duelling faq2 was the optimal thing to do. I prevent a stupid duel, I get control of the participants of the duel meaning I have more faith in my judgement over others, None of this force players to duel each other shenanigans which may backfire, It caused a reaction from creature and FAQ2 was on the lynch list anyway So the player that makes the biggest deal is obviously his scum partner or if I'm wrong about him being scum, the scum that wants to set me up as a mislynch.In post 1120, BuJaber wrote:Just thought it weird FAQ's point wasn't brought up earlier so I asked..but to be honest I forgot he replaced in late.
And garmr I'm trying to make sense of your duel coming from the guy who was talking so much day 1 about optimal town duelling and maximizing its potential and all that which was my main reason for townreading you. Also I tend to get paranoid about people pocketing me so I like to reevaluate townreads.
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