[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

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Loving the replacement flavour text. Hello! Time to start reading...

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unvote

lynching a pr claim day one isn't something I'd like to be part of. Still reading, more to come (promise!)

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Something_Smart : Aren't we better to lynch scum, rather than try to use a mechanic to on 2 players we aren't sure on?

I don't like the speculation of lynching Lamees to potentially confirm/lynch another player. SS gets a weak townread for continuing to push it as a viable option in the face of majority opposition.

VOTE DVa

got a bad feeling about this one. Weird meta analysis and weakreading. Time will tell but this is a comfortable place for my vote right now.

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18 posts between them out of 522 in the game, not a huge amount to go on.

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I stand by it, going into detail would give you an argument to make against it. It's really for the rest of the players to decide whether what I said has merit or not.

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only quoting half my post doesn't really work when the full post is right above. I'm not keen for you to understand my thought process, not if I'm suspicious of your role. Also, 'lol' noted.

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noted. I'm not acting by the way. Only scum need to act, and I'm not scum

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Cool. I'm going to bed now, just letting you know so you aren't hanging on for any more replies that aren't going to come this side of the next 8 hours or so.

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I stand by it, going into detail would give you an argument to make against it. It's really for the rest of the players to decide whether what I said has merit or not.

That's the point of engagement -- you make a case/accusation, let the person offer a defense, and *then* the rest of town evaluates it.
From the rest of the town's perspective, you could be:

1. Scum pushing a case on her: We can perhaps figure that out if you both engage on it
2. Town pushing a weak case on her: That'll become clear once you engage on it; you might realize that and change your mind too
3. Town pushing a strong case on her: Her arguments aren't going to destroy the case, so her responses aren't a problem anyway; plus you get the rest of the town to follow you

In all cases, engagement with her about your case on her is beneficial to town in that it helps us evaluate the case *and* both of your alignments better. By saying "let town judge the merits of the case" without pushing, it does look like you're just throwing mud and seeing what sticks, without really taking responsibility for the push - so it's important that you do engage.

Do you agree?

Thanks for taking the time to explain the game to me mister, I'll sure make sure I'm a hundred percent better player now!

So here's the thing. I literally replaced in 24 hours ago, had 21 pages of posts to read through and there was still 8 DAYS left of the phase. I had a very early feeling about what I saw in recent posts so made my initial vote on DVa, who then went absolutely hyperactive practically ordering me to explain it. It's that uber-defensiveness to myself and then subsequently rb that sticks with me more. Not everyone will play the same way, rb obviously winds people up to get his reads, you and DVa are the 'explain yourself so we can defend/write dissertations' which can be as harmful to town as much as they can benefit.

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um, I forgot a colon is all. Worse crimes out there and all that.

UNVOTE: Lamees

VOTE: DVa

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Thanks for taking the time to explain the game to me mister, I'll sure make sure I'm a hundred percent better player now!

So here's the thing. I literally replaced in 24 hours ago, had 21 pages of posts to read through and there was still 8 DAYS left of the phase. I had a very early feeling about what I saw in recent posts so made my initial vote on DVa, who then went absolutely hyperactive practically ordering me to explain it. It's that uber-defensiveness to myself and then subsequently rb that sticks with me more. Not everyone will play the same way, rb obviously winds people up to get his reads, you and DVa are the 'explain yourself so we can defend/write dissertations' which can be as harmful to town as much as they can benefit.

DVa was perfectly reasonable asking you to explain it.

If someone cases me, I'd *want* to engage them on it, for two reasons - help evaluate the case better, and also figure out their motivations in making the case, and discover something about their alignment in the process, if it happens.

You actually acknowledge that rb "winds people up", and when DVa did get wound up, you're calling it "uber-defensive" and therefore scummy?

Why is "explain yourself and I'll defend" potentially harmful to town? I think making a case on someone, refusing to explain it or engage with them on it, and calling them scummy for being "defensive" when they call you out on it, scummy.

There's a difference between having a strong scum read and a case and placing an initial gut vote on someone. Everything you say (and DVa said earlier) only applies if she is town. If she's scum then forcing players to make a case when it's purely a gut read (and also add to that trying to get the town to try and read lurkers on D1) gives them ammunition to pick it apart and point towards said person's behaviour as scum (then badtown after the flip). It's a gut read, if it becomes a strong read with a case at that point I'll make a case. Until then, I'll play my way and I'll ask you to chill out.

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rules say using the bold tag is acceptable, to be honest this is my 2nd game after a 5 year break so I'm not up on the tags/rules.

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no more strong pings, said already though that I don't like the talk about using Lamees claim to try and mechanic a slot. Anyone who was soft pushing that needs some studying.

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No point getting worked up about a L-2 wagon, it's good to have wagons it lets us see how people react to the pressure and also provides voting patterns for later day readbacks.

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Great content, thanks for stopping by(e).

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The post replacement request behaviour could be read so many ways. If you felt she was scum before that then that's where the gut should go. Much like trying to lynch off mechanics lynching off rule breaking is suspect to me.

Also DLA has pinged for me by congratulating Something Smart on good play, as I've not seen that at all especially as they were totally on board for lynching a claimed angel.

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S_S - it's been a couple of days now, how does DLA seem to you now?

reading Egix's ISO - It could be interpreted as recognising a buddy (DVa) melting down so distancing and then subsequently supporting the slot lynch. That's my hot take of the day.

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I'd defend even a scumread from an accusation I thought was unreasonable.

wut?

S_S/DLA buddies?

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you got us

Awesome. can we call it a game then?

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Yes. some people try to get reactions out of scum, sometimes being illogical or unreasonable will put them on the wrong foot. If you wade in and defend them, especially if you think they are scum you're essentially helping them not stand out.

I don't play logically, I play emotionally. Does that make me wrong to you?

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I really love being told what I 'have' to do in these games.