Open 746: Bus Service [Game Over]
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Hey guys, did no one look at the reason for my vote? Second vote on obvious lynchbait player, cast for a deniable reason. Scummiest thing in the game so far.
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I mean, whether or not jokes are frowned upon is the topic of theIn post 64, FallenDown wrote: My vote for Clemency was meant as a joke. Is it frowned upon?otherdebate going on right now, but I don't think so. I'm not voting for you, I'm voting for Eyes for voting for you.
It doesn't matter if you are right about this or not though. "It was RVS" isn't like a less-deniable reason for jumping on the lynchbait wagon.In post 66, BuJaber wrote: Well to me I thought it was an RVS vote and the comment was separate.
Like she chose to vote for fallen, and also told them to get an avatar. Not that she voted fallenbecauseshe didn't have an avatar.-
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This is exactly what you did though. Plus the OMGUS.In post 72, Eyes without a face wrote:^^Scum post/vote. Finding a reason to join a building wagon. Couldn't find anything but a rephrase of what 2 others already brought up.-
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So given that we have at least a Bus and a VT in the setup, do you think all of these roles make sense, balance-wise?
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I am NOT saying that Eyes was posting a case that would lead to lynch. This obviously isn't the case. I'm saying Eyes was getting on the Fallen wagon early, for a very minor reason (or no reason, which is the same thing), but if Fallen had reacted badly to early pressure and built up a big wagon then Eyes is already on that wagon before it looks opportunistic.In post 81, Eyes without a face wrote:That and my reasoning obviously does not lead to a lynch, as nobody would ever think "Oh, he's right. They have no avi so let's vote them."
Eliot is voting me for doing something they view as scummy, which could lead to a lynch if others listened to them.
Your vote was silly, but it was NAI to me. Eliot's looked like they're trying top build a wagon on me for real.
I would also note that Clemency had 3 votes on him before I voted, so if I wanted an easy lynch I should have joined his wagon instead, but since I didn't then your argument is clearly silly (see the underlined statement above), and makes Eliot's parroting of it even scummier.
Additionally all the discrediting language here really pings me, especially as it legitimizes one of the votes on the wagon so as to not betoodefensive.-
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Her.In post 92, Sashaddin wrote:Speaking of Akarin, I almost voted for him last night, because of 25 and 27. I finally didn't and it cost me a prod
And what caused you to hesitate?-
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I feel like the only reason people think my argument is reachy is because people keep misinterpreting it and then I try to explain it more and that level of explanation of any tell would seem reachy.
If I asked the two of you to explain the only-interacting-with-one-person read over and over and kept calling it crazy and you explained it with more and more words, I think it would be equally easy to call it reachy.
There are good reasons to suspect people jumping on (what seems on page 1 like) easy lynchbaitbeforethere is a wagon. (Because of bad reaction to pressure.)
This isn't a reach and it's not crazy. It's also not the strongest case ever, but it was strong for that point in the game.-
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It wasn't a naked vote. It was poorly explained, sure, but it wasn't naked. (Mouse over).In post 153, Sashaddin wrote:When Lovebird says Eyes is Towny, Akarin jumps on the occasion to vote naked on him. That early in the game, it made me think of an early distancing move from her.
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At a certain point it this starts to feel like deliberate misrepresentation.In post 188, Sashaddin wrote:And no, telling someone to get a picture isn't lynch material to me.-
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This was the first thing, probably the biggest really
I initially took this as serious-but-dumb, and that seemed like something unbelievable for scum to doIn post 226, TTTT wrote:triple commas there indicate you are overly concerned with how your writing is viewed
you just subconsciously scum-claimedBut regardless, I TR this too.
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Yeah, gamma is obvscumIn post 256, BuJaber wrote:Scum team is clemency + rb + one of {junko, gamma}-
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Because I think Bujaber is scum and all the current wagons seem terrible. Come start a better wagon with me.In post 303, Lovebird wrote:
Why?In post 300, Akarin wrote:Okay, so if we're not lynching Eyes, let's
VOTE: Bujaber
I'm not going to write up any argument at all, but I'd appreciate it if lovebird would sheep me so rb would sheep me.-
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Why do you care about my town read on you more than my scum reads?In post 326, TTTT wrote:why is the avatar-changing post more likely to come from town than scum?-
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I have my limitsIn post 335, Sashaddin wrote:
You won't know there are infinite replacements until we are totally done with them.In post 332, Akarin wrote:If there are infinite replacements and the day never ends, I'm replacing out.-
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I'm glad you like my name, but I think your POE is not great but also not like interestingly terrible.
Like why are you confident on Flubber or Clem?
Also I think BuJaber makes bizarre association reads as either alignment and shouldn't be townread for it, if that's the basis of your read.
Spoiler: from a Buj scum game
It's also annoying that people keep rereading the game and coming to the exact conclusions they started with.-
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Because we're a sucky town and it's not worth trying to say stuff just to get ignored, I think Clem had the right idea here.In post 389, Eyes without a face wrote:Why do I get the feeling that not only scum but also town are playing for time?? I can understand the scum motive for that, but I fail to see why the townies are happy to let the day drag with no real conversation or debate.-
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Why is there even the need to say this?In post 404, BuJaber wrote:The only reason I would make associative reads as scum would be to imitate my town game
My point was that it's nonsense to townread you for it, because you are clearly capable of doing it as scum. Obviously it isn't some subconscious towntell of yours.-
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So who specifically prompted this one?In post 1222, BuJaber wrote:Haven't finished reading but so far varsoon and majiffy really don't seem like they're reading very well.
Varsoon keeps mistaking posts adressed to othrs as adressed to him, like when I called majiffy a sheep.
And majiffy because nobody who read my interactions with RCE coild possibly think my vote was a simple wagon hop. Doesn't seem like he's actually reading just wanted an easy target and picked on the latest vote on RCE at the time. I think he's scum, possibly protecting his partner. VOTE: majiffy
RR has talked a lot more than I remember so I'm sorry about the activity comment.. your case on hebichan is interesting. I'll look into it further when it's time for hebi's ISO read but it's important to note that chick kinda defended her and there might be a connection there.-
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Correcting me implies I'm wrong.In post 408, BuJaber wrote:I don't know why it matters but I felt like correcting you.-
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What do you think of Bujaber's recent posts?In post 416, TTTT wrote:someone should do something stupid or interesting to kick this game in the gonads-
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Alonzo is FallenIn post 435, TTTT wrote:@rb why the TR on Alonzo?-
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I think it's frustrating and sad that no one else at all weighed in on this when not directly asked.In post 429, TTTT wrote:what do you think?-
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You'd be scumreading FB for the multiball thing, independent of Eliot?In post 439, Eyes without a face wrote:I am not moving my vote. Nothing that FB has done changed how I read the slot. In fact, nothing FB has done is accurate on its own.-
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Are you guys sure we can't lynch Buj?In post 458, BuJaber wrote:Counter-argument what has clemency done in his ISO that makes him not worth a lynch as much as reaper?
This is his only analysis post, where he says Elliot's argument feels reachy/forced only to end up saying the two players are TvT!!!
Like his default explanation for why elliot is posting this way is that he is tunnelled town, instead of scum who has chosen a mislynch target and is faking a case on them.
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I'm still annoyed that I was treated like I didn't get the joke here while Sashaddin looks like they missed my joke.In post 343, Sashaddin wrote:
Infinite and totally don't belong in the same sentence here. That was the joke.In post 337, Akarin wrote:
I have my limitsIn post 335, Sashaddin wrote:
You won't know there are infinite replacements until we are totally done with them.In post 332, Akarin wrote:If there are infinite replacements and the day never ends, I'm replacing out.-
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Super scummy day entrance. And let's remember who was on a vanity wagon making the cop lynch all but inevitable here and yet now wants to toss around blame and false outrage about lynching the cop.In post 509, BuJaber wrote:"Let's quicklynch the guy not here in a game with a critical PR role"
Solid strategy.
VOTE: Clemency
You can hate me, you can insult me, you can avoid me in future games, I'll take it. But for the love of this game please listen to me.
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So no one is going to touch this bit of logic, but if I bring it up I'm tunneling?
And yet Flubber is town because that was a counterwagon to a town wagon that actually had some votes on it.In post 521, BuJaber wrote:Vanity wagon my ass that's just a fancy word people like to throw around.
1 vote is power.
I could see the signs. I die trying to do what I think is right.
Independents run for office not because they think they can win, but because they want to do what they think is right.
In post 518, BuJaber wrote: Clemency I think was the true counterwagon to a town lynch.
Purely as a counterwagon flubber could be either town or scum. But I think odds are it's town, if we assume scum wanted to capitalize on the impending deadline. To them it didn't matter which townie gets lynched that late in the day, they just wanted to make sure they had control over it. If I wanted to maximize the chances that I protect all my buddies I would want to create two competing town wagons so that either of them getting lynched is good for me.-
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What's the meta? It must be a pretty strong read.In post 549, mcqueen wrote:
meta from a Newbie game we played togetherIn post 545, Akarin wrote:mcqueen, what's your case on Alonzo?-
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I'm pointing out BuJaber's moon logic. BuJaber is townreading you because you were Wagon B and Wagon A flipped town. This is nuts.In post 558, Flubbernugget wrote: Are you saying RoS was a counterwagon to me?
At the same time he wassoconvinced of scum-Clemency and town-Flubber that he was happy to let it no lynch over that despite knowing he'd never get Clemency lynched.-
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You could also decide to vote for Flubber because of the way a bunch of people (some of whom were quite scummy) lamented how town RoS was but really really didn't want to get on the Flubber wagon when there was absolutely no reason to townread Flubber so strongly, especially if you were convinced RoS was a mislynch as many were. And now Flubber is voting Clemency because you'd have been the lynch if not for the RoS wagon apparently, and that's always scummy, says the guy who would have been the lynch if not for the RoS wagon.
Flubber thinks the counterwagon to Scumency was all town-driven, by the way.-
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I was going to point out that if they both flip town we're in LYLO after this but yeah I'm not sure we even deserve to win anyway in that case. (If they are both town, I'm lynching Bujaber.)
So whatever, I'll pledge as long as we lynch Flubber first. I won't compromise on the order.
Also, we don't need unanimous consent to do this, we need majority + 1.
rb, do you realize there's an equally big wagon on Flubber right now?-
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Let's review mcqueen's contributions on Day 2:In post 510, mcqueen wrote:At least 1 of Alonzo and Lovebird is scumIn post 549, mcqueen wrote:
meta from a Newbie game we played togetherIn post 545, Akarin wrote:mcqueen, what's your case on Alonzo?In post 628, mcqueen wrote:when he’s scum he appears very towny. he tried to come in and make up some reads and sheeped me on Lovebird. I don’t recall much (should skim the thread tbh), but he didn’t give much reason for his stances which to me is him being lazyscum. Game’s slow anyway
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Can you remind me why you think FB is scum?In post 649, Eyes without a face wrote: I would've said something if I knew which one to pick over the other. I still prefer FB over the both of you/-
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Also BuJaber didn't even vote for Flubber, so there was no point to the deal in the first place.
Also also, it's incredibly anti-town, especially now, to try to end the day early and just throw us into potential LYLO if you're wrong, which is a big issue with this plan anyway.
If I'm still in the game I will vote for Clemency at deadline if a Clem lynch is possible, but I'm worried this is going to ensure we have no discussion today either.-
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